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#61 MorganX

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:44

Naturally there are those who claim 8 is a success because microsoft posted a 40 million sales figure, however we know this to be dishonest since they didn't tell us how many of those 40 million were OEM sales, microsoft was shown to be guilty of this kind of dishonesty in the past with the Vista failure so history repeats itself once again.

You have a point, but I wouldn't call it dishonest because everyone does this. And it does matter. Windows is the defacto standard and on a PC is how most people acquire their OS. So, those numbers do count. What they don't show is mindshare. Whether people like it, want it, love it, or if it's just whats on the PC they bought.

If the Surface was more of a consumer success, and MS is trying with all the ads, it would have that mindshare among consumers. Unfortunately I think Surface and Windows 8 missed the mark with consumers. And IMO, you can blame it squarely on the Xbox Music/Video core apps being very poor and there being no simply syncing software such as iTunes or Zune for it. Manage music and playlists is one of the primary functions for Tablets and Phones. It's not done, especially with so many IHVs releasing tablets. But in this space, they have to compete with the ultra cheap tablets and of course the iPad. This means MS needs(needed) everything to be top notch and IMO it wasn't.

Surface will do great for business, especially the Pro. That is a lot of numbers and will insure some success but in mindshare, it'll still be an iPad world and now maybe Google too. Their lack of presence in the enterprise has left them free to focus on consumers and of course price goes a loooooooong way especially in this economy.

The fact that only a couple months after release you're hearing more about Windows Blue and Windows 9 than Windows 8 apps, games, and updates is quite telling.

Edit: I'm very interested in hearing Windows 8, Surface RT, and Windows Phone 8's Holiday numbers. I think Windows Phone 8 is winning mindshare among consumers. Slowly but surely. But with the lack of appropriate software on Windows 8 for it to sync (Windows Media Player Classic is best) it could lose momentum. Microsoft foolishly thinks it can leverage its monopoly to force feed Xbox Music pass and Marketplace music sales. This will fail.


#62 KevinN206

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:03

Naturally there are those who claim 8 is a success because microsoft posted a 40 million sales figure, however we know this to be dishonest since they didn't tell us how many of those 40 million were OEM sales, microsoft was shown to be guilty of this kind of dishonesty in the past with the Vista failure so history repeats itself once again.

The reality of the matter is windows 8 is a complete and total flop, windows 8 machines are barely selling at any of the 4 best buy locations near me, microcenter has STILL not sold one single windows 8 machine (mayfield heights Ohio).
Nobody wants windows 8, people are avoiding it and demanding alternatives such as windows 7, a friend who is a manager at walmart said that they might have sold 10 windows 8 machines and out of those 10 at least 9 have been returned with the buyer citing windows 8 as the reason for returning it (mostly laptops).

I don't know how to tell you this, but Microsoft has ALWAYS quoted the number of Windows license sold regardless if it's retail or OEM. The majority of licenses sold is from OEM. How is that dishonest? They are a freaking software company that makes revenue by selling software licenses either to OEM or retail. Think of Windows, Office, SharePoint, etc. Microsoft does not sell computers. I am not sure how difficult this is to understand.

Microsoft - number of licenses sold
Apple - number of devices sold
Google - number of activations

#63 PGHammer

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 15:05

Damage control for what ?

and what failure. there is no failure. Windows 8 is selling well and everyone I've shown it to novice or advanced users takes to it immediately and once I show them how it works no one picks 7 over 8, even if they come in with their minds set on 7 because the media told them 8 is horrible.


I wish I could fail the way MS does if you think this is a failure.


And the screaming from the OEM space (Dell, HP, Lenovo, Fujitsu, etc.) is pretty much due to the flatness of the hardware requirements for Windows 8 (compared to Windows 7) - until Windows 7, a new version of Windows could be counted on to require brawnier hardware than the previous version; however, the hardware requirements even for Vista were not THAT much taller than the requirements of XP (in terms of hardware) - the taller requirements (Viata vs. XP) were in terms of GPU, not really the rest of the hardware. What the OEMs wanted (with Windows 8) vs. what the OEMs actually got is what the screaming is all about - Microsoft listened to the userbase (not the OEMs).

The screaming from the users (what screaming there actually is) has nothing to do with any supposed increase in hardware requirements (8 vs. 7) either - the user issues are entirely UI/UX-driven (basically, a mirror image of the screamfest with Vista, which was about hardware support). Yes; there ARE features that Windows 8 leverages in new hardware better than Windows 7 - however, how many of those are genuine mainstream features of even Windows users? Virtualization (specifically, Hyper-V)? Nope - decidedly an outlier feature (and I'm speaking as someone that uses this feature). Other than UI/UX changes, virtualization is actually the single biggest improvement for Windows 8 compared to Windows 7 - and it's something that most general-purpose Windows 8 users could care less about.

The PC market is looking like the automobile market - not a lot of *new model* sales, except at either the very low end (where the competition is fiercer than ever, especially throwing in tablets and refurbished PCs) or the boutique/high end - the great middle is flat, and will likely remain that way for quite a bit - and that's not either Microsoft's fault, OR Microsoft's problem.

#64 cropcircles

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 15:14

Some of the replies were interesting. Google translate from Chinese to English

" The landlord is the irrigation group, your post is irrigation? "

#65 OP +FaiKee

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 00:13

Some of the replies were interesting. Google translate from Chinese to English

" The landlord is the irrigation group, your post is irrigation? "

LOL,
landlord = OP
irrigation = spam

The guy probably didn't know the OP is a MS guy, :laugh: