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Wait, Opera is going to be using Chromium? Ugh, why? Presto is awesome as it is, why ditch it at this point?

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[quote name='LOC' timestamp='1361925925' post='595546020']
Wait, Opera is going to be using Chromium? Ugh, why? Presto is awesome as it is, why ditch it at this point?
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site compatability. presto is/was a good standards complaint rendering engine, but there's too many sites that make heavy use of prefixes and/or browser sniffing.
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He should have stayed and fought for what he believed in, instead of leaving.

[quote]Under Lars Boilesen, Opera has made record profits, grown its mobile user base at a phenomenal pace, and expanded into new segments. However, under Boilesen, Opera has also lost its innovative edge.[/quote]

That's sad to hear. They had so many firsts in the browser world.
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Was he CEO or COO?

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It is sad to see this. So this ditching wasn't something that happened from the night to the morning. :/

I have used Opera since version 9 as a secondary browser. Transitioned to it, from Firefox on Version 11, when they introduced extensions (Couldn't live without an ad block and SearchPreview)

Never looked back, except when it crashed, and went back to Firefox (Now I have Palemoon installed).

Opera is so awesome in many ways. People only see the tip of the iceberg:

- Multiurl Link Parsing -> You can drag and drop a series of URL to the tab bar and Opera would open each one of them in individual tabs.
- Chat accounts
- Opera Link (The first guys to put the true cloud experience)
- Panels.
- The best base download manager from any browser until this day.
- Thumbnail tabs
- Mouse Gestures
- Tab Cycling
- Tab Stacking
- Easy Zoom In/Out web pages
- The best browser's speed Dial out there
- An easy and powerful Credentials manager.
- Bit-torrent client.
- Opera's Dragonfly, better than any [b]native [/b]web inspector out there.

Seeing it going to Chromium is not a good move. Although, Presto wasn't my all time's favorite because it would break some pages (Mostly JavaScript related), it was the fastest until a couple of years ago. I only think that Presto needs a good refinement plus the native hardware acceleration they've talked about.

I don't know how will this affect the development, but I just don't want to see Opera as another browser.

Thanks God Mozilla will keep its Gecko engine, just in case.
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[quote name='Growled' timestamp='1361927870' post='595546122']
He should have stayed and fought for what he believed in, instead of leaving.



That's sad to hear. They had so many firsts in the browser world.
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He was probably made to resign as CEO by the board, given Opera's poor financial performance back then.
And once he was no longer the CEO, he probably didnt want to sit around and helplessly watch the company go in a direction he didnt want/ create stalemate.

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[quote name='ViperAFK' timestamp='1361927624' post='595546114']
site compatability. presto is/was a good standards complaint rendering engine, but there's too many sites that make heavy use of prefixes and/or browser sniffing.
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that's the PR reason, the real reason is that they can optimize the company, fire a whole lot of people ditch everything to do with innovation and creating new stuff, and make the company more lucrative for potential buyout.

This is why Tetzchner quit, under him the prime focus was to take good care of your employees and foster an environment of innovation.

since he left due to changes from the Board, they have fired lots of people killed many departments killed most any innovation and generally killed everything Opera as a company used to stand for. basically their shaping Opera the company into a product to be sold for the most profit.

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I'm not a fan of Opera, but IMO, going from three rendering engines to two cannot [i]even remotely[/i] be a good idea.

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There's still gecko :p it's going from 4 to 3

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Opera one of the few browsers that still plays nice with windows 9x

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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1362059455' post='595549212']
There's still gecko :p it's going from 4 to 3
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I forgot about that one!

Still, the point stands, less choice is bad for the consumer.

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[quote name='FloatingFatMan' timestamp='1362058739' post='595549196']
I'm not a fan of Opera, but IMO, going from three rendering engines to two cannot [i]even remotely[/i] be a good idea.
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well there's still three major rendering engines, gecko, trident, webkit

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[quote name='LOC' timestamp='1361925925' post='595546020']
Wait, Opera is going to be using Chromium? Ugh, why? Presto is awesome as it is, why ditch it at this point?
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I've used opera since 2000 and i've been coming more and more frustrated about how many sites don't work well with it. I get that it's not their fault but it'll be great to have the compatibility of chrome and the features of opera....

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[quote name='Som' timestamp='1362065789' post='595549540']
I've used opera since 2000 and i've been coming more and more frustrated about how many sites don't work well with it. I get that it's not their fault but it'll be great to have the compatibility of chrome and the features of opera....
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I'd use it if they make sure to bring over opera's awesome smooth scrolling, thats currently the main reason I don't use chrome. Chrome's scrolling is just awful, awful. With the smooth scrolling flag enabled its better, but for some reason doesn't work for a lot of sites (often sites with fixed images and such still scroll in steps), and the middle click universal scroll doesn't have smooth scrolling at all. This is a pretty basic feature to be lacking in 2013, firefox, opera, and IE has had good smooth scrolling for quite some time now (I prefer firefox's ATM). If opera makes sure to add features to differentiate itself this new version could be good, but there is the danger of them becoming a crappy generic chrome clone :(

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I read an interesting article last night that explained this move more and made me feel a wee bit better about Opera. Apparently Opera was spending so much time and resources on the Presto engine that they didn't have resources for other things, like innovations. This move will free them up to work on other things.

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He is just ****ed that nobody uses it...

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[quote name='blade1269' timestamp='1362144677' post='595551468']
He is just ****ed that nobody uses it...
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Err yeah, just a few tens of millions... :rolleyes:

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300 million as of a few weeks ago, actually.

I realize this is a couple of months old, but I smell sour grapes. Opera released their financial update for the 1st quarter yesterday, and they have never grown faster or made more money. Opera is doing better than it ever did under the former CEO.

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I think he makes pretty good points, especially regarding equating market success/valuation with employee morale and innovation.

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He's a hypocrite. He fired more people than the new CEO ever did. Complaining that the new CEO restructured the company and let some employees go is insane when he fired at least twice the number of employees himself.

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Opera is dead. Webkit is chrome, i intend to use the last Opera with presto for a long time and maybe switch to Firefox afterwards.

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[quote name='syobon999' timestamp='1367447613' post='595668088']Opera is dead. Webkit is chrome, i intend to use the last Opera with presto for a long time and maybe switch to Firefox afterwards.[/quote]

Why is Opera dead?

Webkit is not Chrome. Webkit is a browser engine, while Chrome is a browser using that engine (until now). Chrome is just one of many browsers using it.

Hardly anyone cares about the actual engine. It's doing things in the background. People care about UI and user experience.

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[quote name='syobon999' timestamp='1367447613' post='595668088']
Opera is dead. Webkit is chrome, i intend to use the last Opera with presto for a long time and maybe switch to Firefox afterwards.
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As long as Opera has it's fans and they support it, they are not dead. People seem to think that you have to be this massive thing to be successful and that's not true.

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Most Opera users are on mobile phones anyway, and they just launched a beta of Opera for Android which was very well received (keeping in mind that it's a beta).

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