Umm... okay?

[Royalty]

Well that car will be reliable!

+ whatever is wrong with it to put such a low price tag on it. Bad transmission? Those are not cheap.

Seriously, Who would buy a car on Craigslist at such a low price? There is probably a really good reason it is that low. You would trust your life for a $200-300 car? It will probably fall apart in a week!

I never said how good the quality of the car is. I never went into specifics.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Just did...

I post something like "Go get Windows 7 and save yourself the money and get a used car instead of buying a Mac"

Well that is an opinion, or maybe even advice. It is in no way, shape or form a fact. You have not posted any facts here.

I never said how good the quality of the car is. I never went into specifics.

So, your suggestion is to buy a crap car...

Sorry, idiotic!

And do I know what a fact is? Yes. You don't. You posted an obviously opinionated suggestion and called it a fact!

[KSib]

I'm starting to see why your threads get deleted. There's nothing but dribble here. I hope you're not surprised that they are being removed.

[Growled Member]

I just don't get it.

No offense, but that is why your posts keep disappearing.

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

If you cannot grasp how any statements you make regarding Apple, wether they are opinion, fact or otherwise, when your signature clearly states "I Hate Apple / Apple Sucks" (looks like you edited it) are not going to be taken seriously, but could alss be construed as you pushing your own personal agenda even further, I think you are clearly not recognizing how the written word in fact has impact and meaning.

You are more then free to share your so called facts on Apple, which I will not even bother to point out why they are indeed not facts, but when you do share them, do not expect anyone to take anything you say as anything more or anything less than a clearly biased statement on a company who you clearly have negative feelings towards.

[Barney T. Administrators]

This thread portrays exactly why mods have to delete comments and close threads. It starts of making lots of sense and then degrades into why one's point of view is better than another. Next, insults get hurled at one onother, a flame war starts, and finally all reason for why the thread was created in the first place is gone.

Seriously, does anyone even wonder why threads like this get closed? The members who want to post serious discussions here can't get their points across at all due to the extremely high volume of immature bickering, trolling, and discord.

Can't we rationally discuss differences of opinion without resorting to elementary school insults?

[remixedcat]

Based on their incendiary nature, I understand a quick trigger finger by mods on the following:

• Mac vs. PC (even after all these years)
  
• Xbox vs. PS3
  
• Hardcore race issues gone awry
  
• nVidia vs. AMD/ATi
  
• Windows 8 vs Windows 7
  

FTFY

[nekkidtruth]

I don't think it's what you say that is problem per se. You seem to have an issue comprehending when and where your comments are warranted. You literally seek out any threads you possibly can that have to do with Apple and pretty much spit on them. We're not even talking about threads specifically catered towards the PC vs Mac debate. You go into threads that have NOTHING to do with that debate with the intention of taking a big dump on it.

Tact.

[Rohdekill]

Macbook Air 11" = ~$1000

I get a laptop with W7 on it = $700-800

Used car on Craigslist = $200-300

Yes, well you see when you buy a laptop consisting more of plastic than quality parts of course the price will be much less.

That's like comparing a mercedes to a Yugo and stating the mercedes is way over priced. Sure, the Yugo may have more bells and whistles on the inside. But nice things wrapped in cr@p is still cr@p. People don't buy mercedes for the bells and whistles. They buy it for the quality product it is. And, to most, the quality product is not over-priced.

[Shadrack]

If the OP wants a soap box he can start his own blog about how much he hates Apple. But this isn't the OPs site and there certainly is no requirement to have "freedom of speech" here. The mods have every right to do what they want to do, and the users have every right to leave if they don't like it.

I usually don't like it when the mods delete these kinds of posts. I would much rather use the ignore feature. Thank you for identifying yourself for my ignore list.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

I get a laptop with W7 on it = $700-800

You've already lost...

At $800 you will get a fairly good spec laptop. Not amazing but pretty good. In a plastic case. With no bundled software of any value. From a manufacturer that has realised the MacBook like looks great and is mimicking it badly.

So you've saved a few hundred dollars there by not getting the same quality. Well done. But that's what I'd expect from someone who spent a few hundred dollars on a car...

You are comparing a apples and oranges and trying to push that your answer is fact, when it's just opinion.

It's very clear that you have an anti-apple agenda. Your attempt to push it in this way has sorta blown up in your face.

[Growled Member]

At $800 you will get a fairly good spec laptop. Not amazing but pretty good. In a plastic case. With no bundled software of any value. From a manufacturer that has realised the MacBook like looks great and is mimicking it badly.

Yeah, then you have to get Office and a bunch of other stuff to be productive.

[Shadrack]

Feel free to show me an all-in-one Win7 machine with the build quality, OS and software suite and similar specced as an entry iMac. Then show this car (a car actually worth buying of course - I could buy junk for ?500) that you'd buy with the change. Sorry, but if you believe that buying a car alone that values the same as an iMac is a wise financial investment, then it truly is not me who is dumb!

You don't get to use that argument when you throw around words like "fact"...

... Or, when the OP starts a thread in site issues when it really needs to be in soap box. Loosen up? Lol, some people need to take their own advice.

[MorganX]

FTFY

Never really experienced the AMD vs. NVIDIA, lol. But yea, W8 v W7 probably is at that level most of the time :D.

[farmeunit]

Agreed. A house is not $1,299 (base iMac) or $599 (base Mac Mini)......so how is "Get Windows 7 and buy a car/house" a post with "facts"?

Because you CAN buy cars cheap. My 2000 Grand Am only Bluebooked for $700 becase it had a ton of miles, but still ran fine.

A $500 laptop+$700 car IS cheaper than a base iMac. And that is a BASE iMac.

He said he WASN'T comparing to buying a house.

At $800 you will get a fairly good spec laptop. Not amazing but pretty good. In a plastic case. With no bundled software of any value. From a manufacturer that has realised the MacBook like looks great and is mimicking it badly.

So you've saved a few hundred dollars there by not getting the same quality. Well done. But that's what I'd expect from someone who spent a few hundred dollars on a car...

I've seen Core i7 laptops with 6-8GB of RAM for $800. To get that in an Apple, you'd easily spend twice that. I don't care what it looks like. I want something that'll perform decently.

Everyone has different wants and needs. Just because his isn't the same as yours... Not to mention priorities.

[+virtorio MVC]

Everyone on Neowin knows Apple computers are expensive; it's not news or some revelation you've stumbled upon that nobody else has figured out yet. If you keep brining it up over and over (combined with your Avatar, whatever is in your Signature (I have them disabled), and your attempt to throw some kind of dig at Apple in a good number of your posts) then you're going to come off like a troll.

Also, other PC manufactures make more expensive machines than the cheap models everyone uses to compare prices with, Apple simply doesn't have any products to in the cheaper market segment. At work people have HP Elite Books and Samsung Ultra Books and they're all priced pretty much equally to an equivalent MacBook Pro.

[xWhiplash]

Everyone on Neowin knows Apple computers are expensive; it's not news or some revelation you've stumbled upon that nobody else has figured out yet. If you keep brining it up over and over (combined with your Avatar, whatever is in your Signature (I have them disabled), and your attempt to throw some kind of dig at Apple in a good number of your posts) then you're going to come off like a troll.

Also, other PC manufactures make more expensive machines than the cheap models everyone uses to compare prices with, Apple simply doesn't have any products to in the cheaper market segment. At work people have HP Elite Books and Samsung Ultra Books and they're all priced pretty much equally to an equivalent MacBook Pro.

Agreed. EVERYTHING adds up. Smaller size, lighter weight, processor SPEED (saying i7 is not a good enough comparison, does it match the SPEED of the comparable Apple computer?), memory speed, build quality, bundled software, the OS itself, no bloat, no trials, high quality screen.

EVERY single component and part adds up.

It is fine if Apple computers are not your thing, but to say they are overpriced is not entirely true. Actually look at what you are getting.

At the time of the 2010 Mac Pro release, I had somebody say they can build one more powerful for less than $1,000. Um....at the time of the release....the Xeon processor alone was $1,000 on Newegg.

[Steven P. Administrators]

I can't take anyone seriously that tries to start a discussion about the downside to buying Apple products and has "I hate Apple." in their sig.

[FiB3R]

Saw Neobond had posted in this thread. Clicked, hoping to see "STFU, Thread Closed".

Oh well, close enough.

[Arceles]

If post like this are going to be closed because of the user... then I want to see the same to happen to post about dot matrix, it's just fair.

[Steven P. Administrators]

If post like this are going to be closed because of the user... then I want to see the same to happen to post about dot matrix, it's just fair.

Is it closed?

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Everyone has different wants and needs. Just because his isn't the same as yours... Not to mention priorities.

I'm not trying to push any priorities though. I'd never suggest "Buy a Mac" to someone having Windows problems.

[Arceles]

Is it closed?

or deleted as he stated.

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

Okay. I don't get it. I'm not trying to insult the staff here or anything so lets get that clear. The staff does an amazing job on Neowin of cleaning up and junking unneeded posts. But they keep junking my posts.

I post something like "Go get Windows 7 and save yourself the money and get a used car instead of buying a Mac". Well I know people here likes Apple and stuff but I'm one of those guys who don't. I'm just stating the plain fact. Honestly, is this forum all about opinions now or what? I mean when do facts come into play? It's not like I'm exaggerating by saying go buy a Windows 7 computer and buy a house or something. It's the truth that Macs are expensive and I'm just trying to bring out the facts to people here. If they don't like it, then that's fine with me. It doesn't bother me. Plus, I'm not insulting Apple or anything by saying that. So I don't get it...

That's an opinion, not a fact. You told someone to get Windows 7 instead of helping that person find the Mac OS X apps they were looking for. Did you even realize that you were posting in the Mac Discussion & Support forum? Actually, don't answer that.

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