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#16 Tony.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 00:46

Windows 8 hasn't stopped me doing anything that I could do in Windows 7.


#17 MorganX

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 00:48

You obviously read only the parts you wanted from my post right ?

QUOTE: "and tried very very hard to understand and enjoy it,"


That is what extremist and zealots on either extreme of any polarized issue do. They can't help themselves. Their mind literally shuts down and shuts out anything that does not support their, now religious, "belief."

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 00:50

I do not like Windows 8 very much, however I must offer support to my customers for Windows 8, so I must use it, otherwise I will not be able to assist them when they get stuck. Unfortunately VM support for Windows 8 isn't the same, and I don't want to go through the hassle of dual booting on a 120GB SSD.

#19 MorganX

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 00:53

There are UI quirks of course and places that would benefit from some polishing, and I expect Blue will improve things a lot, but it's not like Win8 is broken right now. The UI is not this amazing wonderful revolution in the desktop, non-touchscreen space, but it's not a step backward either. There's really no reason to stick to Win7 when so much have improved aside from the UI, and if you really can't stand it, get Start8 and bring the old UI back.


Many people have decided those "quirks" that you, someone who favors Windows 8, have identified, as a reason to stick with Windows 7. It quirks them more than it quirks you. That is their choice, just as it is your choice to put up with those "quirks".

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 00:59

That is what extremist and zealots on either extreme of any polarized issue do. They can't help themselves. Their mind literally shuts down and shuts out anything that does not support their, now religious, "belief."


So I'm a "zealot" because I called him out on his BS? I don't care if you like it or not, at least try it and be honest as to why you choose to dislike it, not try and rationalize it with more crap, at least a few here are honest about it, the same way I'm honest it works for me just fine

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:03

Being a techie, I don't mind it. Sure, I still use Startisback and Modernmix with my installations of Windows 8. But, for some family and friends who bought new computers, they absolutely hate it. I haven't heard one positive thing about it. Being the tech person, I have to help them out :\

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:04

So I'm a "zealot" because I called him out on his BS? I don't care if you like it or not, at least try it and be honest as to why you choose to dislike it, not try and rationalize it with more crap, at least a few here are honest about it, the same way I'm honest it works for me just fine


I don't know if you're a zealot or extremist. I do know you fail to read the full content and context of what people are saying before you put forth your, emotional and irrational, response. As he pointed out, you absolutely failed to read or completely ignored that he did indeed try it. You are irrational because your responses are based on what's in your head, your mind already made up, and not on what you are responding to because you fail to read and comprehend all that is written.

In fact, you should read your own writing: "at least try it and be honest as to why you choose to dislike it"

For that to happen, you have to actually read why people don't like it, and accept what they say whether you like it or not, unless you are a clairvoyant who can read minds.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:37

I agree with you on most points. I tried Windows 8 for nearly a month and at the end of that time I put Windows 7 back on my computer. I just didn't like 8. What really annoyed me no end was there was no easy and obvious way to pin apps in the desktop mode. And inconsistencies like that are riddled throughout the OS.


I really want to like 8, this is the first time every I have not moved over to a new OS, I even stuck it with Vista (Until the first win 7 leaks arrived anyway)

Like you say, inconsistencies everywhere, it doesn't even feel like a real OS to me, Metro & Normal do not mix, and Metro & non-touch PC do not mix, and even if they did, Metro is the most pointless addition to a Windows desktop OS since Vista Ultimate Extras, and even some of those were fun

They have made the "top gear's stretched limo challenge" version of windows, yes you can weld them both together and yes you can drive it, but it will snap in half in the middle of London

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:45

I don't know if you're a zealot or extremist. I do know you fail to read the full content and context of what people are saying before you put forth your, emotional and irrational, response. As he pointed out, you absolutely failed to read or completely ignored that he did indeed try it. You are irrational because your responses are based on what's in your head, your mind already made up, and not on what you are responding to because you fail to read and comprehend all that is written.

In fact, you should read your own writing: "at least try it and be honest as to why you choose to dislike it"

For that to happen, you have to actually read why people don't like it, and accept what they say whether you like it or not, unless you are a clairvoyant who can read minds.


You took the words right out of my mouth (and rearranged them into a much more civil order than I would have)

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:46

Metro is the most pointless addition to a Windows desktop OS since Vista Ultimate Extras, and even some of those were fun


roflmao. Ultimate Extras. I remember, now that didn't really ever amount to much did it? I do disagree about Metro being pointless on the desktop. I actually prefer to watch Netflix snapped, and would prefer to watch TV in Snap View if they had released a Modern UI Media Center. The Core apps are bad and really the #1 problem with Modern UI is that there are no meaningful desktop applications and when there are, the fact that they can't interact with the desktop will be a limitation. I would love to use the Share and Devices Charm with Win32 apps, but not gonna happen.

It is so unfinished, unpolished, and currently, unnecessary, lol, that I can see why many don't want to have it on the desktop at all. I can also see why many want all that is good in it. I am one of those.

The core apps Music, Video, Mail are a step backwards as is IMO, Modern UI Search. That is unheard of for Windows, to go backwards in functionality. There is good reason Ballmer said this was the company's biggest gamble.

#26 trag3dy

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:49

It's still a change and your resistance to it, even you admitted it, you didn't allow yourself to like it


That doesn't even make sense. If you cut your hand off, that's a change, but hey, just get used to it, right? All change is good after all.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:58

roflmao. Ultimate Extras. I remember, now that didn't really ever amount to much did it? I do disagree about Metro being pointless on the desktop. I actually prefer to watch Netflix snapped, and would prefer to watch TV in Snap View if they had released a Modern UI Media Center. The Core apps are bad and really the #1 problem with Modern UI is that there are no meaningful desktop applications and when there are, the fact that they can't interact with the desktop will be a limitation. I would live to use the Share and Devices Charm with Win32 apps, but not gonna happen.

It is so unfinished, unpolished, and currently, unnecessary, lol, that I can see why many don't want to have it on the desktop at all. I can also see why many want all that is good. I am one of those.

The core apps Music, Video, Mail are a step backwards as is IMO, Modern UI search. That is unheard of for Windows, to go backwards in functionality. There is good reason Ballmer said this was the company's biggest gamble.


If they had branched off and gone for a pure Metro version of Windows, and released 8 as a 100% normal desktop OS, then I could see myself wanting to play with Metro on say my laptop, but mixing the two together, I just can't connect with it at all, its clumsy and gets in the way of normal use

Metro does have its place in the OS world, but not integrated into a Desktop OS where 95%+ of users use and will continue to use a keyboard and mouse, it is 101% a touch interface, my mouse pointer is nice and small, perfect for clicking little buttons

Also, I have a 23" LCD on here and Metro is far to over-powering with all its brightness and colours and masses of emptiness slapping me in the face every time I click start by mistake thinking stupidly that something useful would pop up

Agreed that apps are the key to Metro, but come on MS, not on the desktop! We actually use these things, even consoles have a more technical interface than Metro !

#28 BoDEAN

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:00

Enough of these topics already.......................damn

#29 Denis W.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:01

roflmao. Ultimate Extras. I remember, now that didn't really ever amount to much did it?


Ah yes, Ultimate Extras. The magazine that never came, the extra sounds which were then made redundant by the sound themes in Windows 7 (and then nuked again for Windows 8), the games which were later made available for Windows 7 users, and DreamScene video clips were grainy.

The Core apps are bad and really the #1 problem with Modern UI is that there are no meaningful desktop applications and when there are, the fact that they can't interact with the desktop will be a limitation. I would love to use the Share and Devices Charm with Win32 apps, but not gonna happen.

It is so unfinished, unpolished, and currently, unnecessary, lol, that I can see why many don't want to have it on the desktop at all. I can also see why many want all that is good. I am one of those.


I would be satisfied if they threw in just one application that is used strictly as a bridge between Win32 and Metro. Have it as a Send To target and also use it to intercept calls to email apps. Trying to attach a file to a new email message in the Mail app is a chore in itself when the Metro file picker is incredibly frustrating to use for keyboard+mouse users (can't customize your favourites list, can't type in the name of a file to open, can't type in a directory to switch to, no breadcrumbs to take advantage of, etc).

The core apps Music, Video, Mail are a step backwards as is IMO, Modern UI search. That is unheard of for Windows, to go backwards in functionality. There is good reason Ballmer said this was the company's biggest gamble.


Not just going backwards in functionality, but somehow I feel as if Microsoft is realizing there is a certain limit you can hit with coding Metro apps using HTML and JS. Responsiveness of the apps are a bit flaky, you sometimes get weird visual oddities such as scrolling quickly in Mail and Music and seeing rectangles taking its place (I remember someone on Neowin explaining the technical reason why this happens).

My own wish for the bundled apps such as Mail and Calendar is to at least match or exceed the functionality of the Outlook web apps. Still puzzled why Microsoft hasn't added in tasks view to the Calendar app.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:05

Trying to attach a file to a new email message in the Mail app is a chore in itself when the Metro file picker is incredibly frustrating to use for keyboard+mouse users (can't customize your favourites list, can't type in the name of a file to open, can't type in a directory to switch to, no breadcrumbs to take advantage of, etc).


Trying to do anything to connect Desktop and Metro is like using a remote desktop connection and realising you need a file that is on your local machine, or a VMWare machine that won't let you drag and drop between the host and guest