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#46 Depicus

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Posted 04 September 2014 - 12:58

Your first link says that Caffeine is used to control appetite (appetite suppressant), which is supporting what I said not what you said.

 

Fat oxidation (or 'beta oxidation') is the body's way of breaking down these large molecules into smaller molecules that it can use for energy.

- That is a good thing, so thanks for posting study information which tells us this. (Again supporting what I said about caffeine increasing metabolism)

 

Not sure where your links are that prove me wrong but thanks for posting links which say exactly what I was saying, if you find a study that suggest otherwise please revert back to the links you just posted as a rebuttal.. lol.

 

Not sure where you get this idea I was trying to prove you wrong. Maybe a few to many coffees have made you over sensitive.

 

My point is the amounts - if you are right, which you may well be, would not be enough to warrant such large weight loss seen in this study.




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Posted 04 September 2014 - 13:05

Hello,

 

I am sure this is a combination of things.

 

First, let's understand the difference between diet sodas and normal sodas. Diet sodas have only trace amount of calories. Calories in normal soda are found in the simple carbohydrate sweetener (fructose, glucose). As diet soda substitutes the sweetener for alternatives like Aspartame, it means that the diet soda is essentially calorie-free.

 

Some sodas, such as cola, typically contain Caffeine. Caffeine increases things such as depletion of sugar in the liver and the metabolic rate (this is the thermogenic effect which also increases the heart rate), pulling you into caloric deficit and encouraging fat oxidation. Because it increases serotonin and dopamine levels in the body, it means it also acts as an appetite suppressant. Consumed regularly, it masks the lack of energy in the body due to being in a caloric deficit, which also encourages people to eat less.

 

Last of all, because of the nature of the sweetener (as well as the psychological effect), it results in satiety without any form of protein or carb investment. This means that the average person will consume less and be satisfied quicker than the average person would with something like plain water.

 

Putting all of this together, we learn that diet sodas, especially caffeinated, have effects on every element of weight loss from consumption levels, perception of energy levels, and also increases fat oxidation. Once all of these elements are considered, it is unsurprising that it results in a better outcome than water for the average person.

 

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Whilst I agree with some of your argument you did not mention the bodies ability to better cope with and usually benefit from at least some natural sugars like glucose derived from honey, tree and vine fruits, flowers, berries, and most root vegetables as opposed to man made processed sugars like cane and beet sugar.The substitution of such sugars with the likes of Asparitine I have previously read to cause other health issues themselves.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 13:12

Not sure where you get this idea I was trying to prove you wrong. Maybe a few to many coffees have made you over sensitive.

 

My point is the amounts - if you are right, which you may well be, would not be enough to warrant such large weight loss seen in this study.

 

Maybe you should check your previous posts which quoted mine.

 

Also the weight loss wasn't large. It was only over a two week period. Caffeine isn't going to make you lose a ton of fat but it does have some benefits in regards to weight loss hence why diet soda can be more beneficial than water for weight loss as the study linked in the original thread post says. But with that being said weight-loss and health don't automatically go hand-in-hand. Just because someone is skinny doesn't mean they are healthy, it also doesn't mean that drinking diet soda is healthier than drinking water.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 13:21

. Just because someone is skinny doesn't mean they are healthy, it also doesn't mean that drinking diet soda is healthier than drinking water.

I quite agree as a much lighter person can actually have more body fat per kilo than a much heavier person who is muscular and starving oneself without additional excersize just brings on the bodys own defense mechanism where you end up going from a small weight loss to a heavy weight gain over several weeks.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 13:48

Whilst I agree with some of your argument you did not mention the bodies ability to better cope with and usually benefit from at least some natural sugars like glucose derived from honey, tree and vine fruits, flowers, berries, and most root vegetables as opposed to man made processed sugars like cane and beet sugar.The substitution of such sugars with the likes of Asparitine I have previously read to cause other health issues themselves.

 

Hello,

 

There is no difference between the sugars or our body's reaction to them. "Processed" foods vs "natural" foods is just marketing buzz invoking the fallacy of appealing to nature in attempt to capitalize on chemophobia. Honey actually has more carbohydrates per spoon than granulated sugar, and if someone were a diabetic, it'd be healthier for them to choose the granulated sugar.

 

Also, Aspartame in itself has no adverse health problems.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 14:04

 

Also, Aspartame in itself has no adverse health problems.

Unless you are a lab rat.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 15:08

 

Also, Aspartame in itself has no adverse health problems.

Whilst Im sure one could find many arguments on either side of the fence on that Ill post a link to a negative video in that rega94024117b94511a80530433fe2202798.pngrd

 

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Posted 04 September 2014 - 15:15

500 Calories a day is insane! A year and a half ago when I finally decided to loose weight I did a 1200 a day diet I think however I would balance that with days I could eat 1500 as long as I made sure that the extra 300 were burnt by going for a run etc.

 

But i do agree, starving yourself only makes you unhappy, I remember for for a good while I would be hungry 24/7, waking up hungry and going to sleep hungry was just no way to live. My diet now isn't really restricted and I know I should focus on it a little more as I did put on a bit of weight but I'm happier with myself and I eat mostly what I like so its an ok balance between being ok with how I look but getting to eat the things I love now and again.

 

Carbs are definately the number one killer for me, I had tried a carb free diet at one point but although it works, it's not for me :p

It's not that you want a carb free diet, but rather the right carbs instead of the wrong ones. Processed foods are usually not the best supplements for this sort of thing. What you want is something like fruits and vegetables. Sweet potatoes are great for example.

 

It's all about balance really. I'd go more in detail, but I'm at work and it's off subject anyway. :p



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 15:20

Please stop giving me justification to buy more bloody Coke Zero (it is pretend healthy sugar water!)



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 15:45

It's not that you want a carb free diet, but rather the right carbs instead of the wrong ones. Processed foods are usually not the best supplements for this sort of thing. What you want is something like fruits and vegetables. Sweet potatoes are great for example.

 

It's all about balance really. I'd go more in detail, but I'm at work and it's off subject anyway. :p

 

I say Carb Free but it was more like Pasta and Bread I was avoiding, I did try to stay away from potatoes admittedly because it's one of those things that I will eat until I'm ready to burst (my will power is weak when it comes to food) Fruit and Veg were all definitely part of my diet.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 15:57

Could diet soda be tricking the body? The body thinks it's getting energy from the diet soda so it's fine with starting to use more energy you have stored in your body. 

 

My guess is that it is the Caffeine in the diet soda that is increasing their metabolism.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 16:05

It's the aspartame and the phosphoric acid that I don't like. Google some of the studies on that stuff.I'll stick to water.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 16:08

My guess is that it is the Caffeine in the diet soda that is increasing their metabolism.

 

the amount of caffeine in these drinks makes a negligible difference to metabolism. even "metabolism boosters" like ephedra only boost metabolism of only a few percent. if you want a real metabolism booster, then you need DNP, which is some pretty dangerous stuff, and you'll have to sit all day in a bath tub full of ice and have the fans on full blast directed towards you.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 16:34

Several cups of double choca mocha lotsa coffee will do it too