WP7 vs Android - Part Three: Features Galore

Android is an operating system that captured the hearts of many, and continues to do so, but with the release of Windows Phone 7, a new contender has entered the ring. Windows Phone 7 is making some Android users green with envy, while others are turning their nose at the new platform. In this series, we're going to look at specific features of smartphones, and give a breakdown of which OS has the competitive edge in each area.

This series is written from a Android users' perspective, and aims to share how Windows Phone 7 might feel to your average Android user, and what may or may not appeal.

This third and final part of the comparison series covers various features of the OS, and how Windows Phone 7 does this better (or worse) than Android. Be sure to check out the first and second parts of the comparison for an overview of the basics.

The Browser

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If we're perfectly honest here, Internet Explorer Mobile has always been somewhat useless. If I still owned my old Windows Mobile 6.5 phone, I'd dig it out to compare, but despite high hopes for Windows Phone 7's browser, it continues to disappoint. It's not to say Microsoft didn't do anything right here, they've built in some nice pinch to zoom functionality, the ability to have multiple pages open at a time (with previews of them when switching) and the ability to pin them, but these don't make up for the dismal way it displays websites.

I didn't actually have any huge problems getting to pages or loading content, but the way Internet Explorer displays things is often very obscure. On the left is Windows Phone 7, and the right is Android. Android displays Neowin just like a desktop browser, but, Windows Phone 7 for some reason makes random bits of text larger. I'm not exactly sure if this is by design, but it definitely makes no sense.

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In a second comparison, using Reddit, the browser did even worse. The sizing is all wrong, if you look at the “Ice T on Fallout New Vegas” link, it's very, very large for no reason at all.

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Android's browser on the other hand is great for browsing. Web pages display correctly most of the time, and you've actually got a choice as to which browser you want to use. If you don't like the built in one, go get Fennec or Dolphin HD. This isn't the case in WP7 yet, as it obviously doesn't have as many applications.

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The next problem is the lack of Adobe Flash. I don't actually use Flash very much, but the problem has become annoying when I try to do one of two things; order a pizza or buy movie tickets. It's quite common for online ordering to use Flash, and not having this on a launch product seems like a huge mess up. You're either presented with a blank screen, or “Please install flash.” No pizza then, I guess. On the plus side, this does mean less ads on the web, for now, so it's not all bad news.

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The Windows Phone 7 has great window (tab) management. You hit the window button at the bottom and the tabs appear in a visual format. Handy. Android has this too, just without the swish shots of the page.

To be fair, the browser on Windows Phone has come a long, long way from the Windows Mobile days of only being usable with a stylus, but even their funky Window management couldn't save them here, Android clearly has the upper hand. Sure, Windows Phone's browser is… usable. But not quite right yet. Perhaps if the quirks are ironed out and Flash is added properly in the next release, we might need to revisit.

Winner: Android.

 

Video

With Windows Phone 7, Microsoft is trying really hard to impress in this area, and it definitely does. The Zune software can pick up most video file types, and automatically converts them to a Windows Phone 7 friendly format, then synchronizes them to your phone.

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The player is basic, yet effective, and remembers where you left off if you happen to jump back out. Video is smooth and watchable, and with the screen sizes of all Windows Phone 7 devices being large, should be great for watching video on the bus or train.

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Despite this fantastic integration, Microsoft shot themselves in the foot with YouTube integration. Android has YouTube out of the box, which works great. The app allows you to browse the site, login, and more. In Windows Phone 7, you're required to manually install the YouTube application first. Then, when you launch it through the Zune Hub, it dumps you out to the awful YouTube mobile site.

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Once you start actually playing a video, then you're thrown back into the Zune video experience, which works well, but for no apparent reason, there's no way to skip to a specific time in the video by touching. Instead, you're forced to fast forward by hand. Weird.

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Android actually has all the functionality that WP7 is missing in YouTube right now. You don't need to leave the application to browse videos, and commenting is integrated.

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You can skip through videos, and even view them in portrait while showing the information about the video, in the latest update.

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The winners for this section are split into two, simply because it's hard to compare online video watching to watching TV or Movies on your phone. Windows Phone 7 wins the “local” video area, as it's much, much easier than Android to watch videos on the phone, since Zune can automatically handle this out of the box.

Android wins the YouTube area, by a large amount, due to how frustrating the implementation of YouTube is in Windows Phone 7. Android has many more features in this area, but does not come close to contending Windows Phone 7's support for video.

Video Winner: Windows Phone 7
Youtube Video Winner: Android

 

Music

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Consumers all over are looking to ditch personal media players in favour of an all-in-one device, and both Android and WP7 contain music features that move towards this. Both phones used in this comparison have a 3.5mm jack for headphone or speaker use, which is essential, but what about the software? Is it up to scratch?

The Zune desktop client feels just like using the phone, and it uses the same Metro UI as the Zune HD does, as well as Media Center and, of course, Windows Phone 7. It can synchronize music and videos, as well as apps, and automatically converts the content to the right format.

Android doesn't even have it's own official software right now for the desktop. Various manufacturers offer their own interpretation of “synchronizing” music, but none of which I've used have been very good.

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Once the music is on your phone, the Zune hub downloads associated pictures of the album, as well as extra art of the artist, to use as the background for the marquee in the Zune hub, and on the Zune live tile. It also updates the hub to show the latest new music added.

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We've already extensively covered the WP7 Zune integration, so I won't go into too much detail, but the music features are brilliant. They're well integrated with the OS, and the marquee art of the artist makes the hub look stunning. Music is able to be played in the background, thank goodness, and controls slide down using the visor notification style when the volume button is pressed, allowing you to pause or skip a track.

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Zune Marketplace is also built in, and you are able to purchase CD's from the store for reasonable prices, right on your phone. Something that Android doesn't actually offer yet.

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On the Android side of the fence is that album art isn't automatically retrieved, but it can be added manually by inserting it into the folder.

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In addition, there are no quick ways to access music controls, except for a widget, or pressing on the “ongoing notification” that appears when music is playing. The music application is OK at best, but has a long way to go before it's half decent.

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Windows Phone 7's exceedingly brilliant Music integration makes those attached to their media devices (such as myself) reconsider actually using their phone instead. The platform builds on how well the Zune HD does music, and takes it another step by integrating it with the entire phone experience. The desktop Zune software is brilliant, if a little bloated, but is much better than having absolutely nothing in place, and being required to copy and paste music into folders.

Winner: Windows Phone 7

 

Xbox Live/Gaming

Finally, we're going to quickly look at gaming on each platform. Android gaming hasn't taken off too quickly, with the more popular titles, such as “Angry Birds” only becoming available recently. True 3D gaming isn't available yet, and many of the games aren't quite there yet.

The best game I've found on Android is called “Abduction!” and is a motion based platform jumper which is addictive. It's very fun, but the graphics aren't gobsmacking.

From launch, Windows Phone 7 has some impressive titles. Most notably, “The Harvest” which utilizes full 3D graphics, and is impressive for a launch title. On HTC devices the game is a bit slow to load, but is impressive to play. Words cannot do the game justice;

   

 Windows Phone 7 also has Xbox Live integration, allowing you to setup your own avatar (or use the one created for your Xbox 360) for your phone, and you are able to earn achievements as you play Xbox Live titles. For further coverage on Xbox Live for Windows Phone 7, view our feature focus.

Today, Android gaming is nowhere near the level of Windows Phone 7 at launch, though I have no doubt now that Windows Phone 7 has been released, that the market will heat up rapidly. Graphics of this level on a phone are new, and haven't been seen before, and it can only get better.

Winner: Windows Phone 7

 

Over the last few posts we've covered the basics of Windows Phone 7, to the more advanced, specialised features and chosen which which OS wins each area. The comparison is intended as an overview of the platform, in other posts we've covered the Xbox Live experience, as well as the Zune Music experience in more depth.

Here's a quick summary of the winners;

The Home Screen: Windows Phone 7
Keyboard: Android
The Lock Screen: Windows Phone 7
Text Messaging: Windows Phone 7
Email: Windows Phone 7
Social Networking: Tie
Music: Windows Phone 7
Video: Windows Phone 7
Youtube Video: Android
Browser: Android
Gaming: Windows Phone 7

That brings Windows Phone 7 to the top with 8-4 (including the tie). Windows Phone 7 brings something new to the table, something which many Android users may find does better that what they're using at the moment. The smartphone is something many disagree on, and is down to personal preference. With Windows Phone 7, another choice is added to the range of platforms, one which excels in music and video especially. For a version 1.0 product, Microsoft has a winner on their hands. Lets hope they keep updating it, with well thought out updates, on a regular basis.

If you're planning on buying a Windows Phone 7 device, or even if you're not, let us know why in the comments.

This post is part of a week long series featuring Windows Phone 7 called "7 days of Windows Phone 7", and is a deeper look into Microsoft's much anticipated re-launch into the smart phone market. To follow the feature week, make sure to check out the "7 days of Windows Phone 7" tag. 

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Interesting article. Having recently picked up an android and WP7 for me android takes it. I dunno what it is about android but it feels a lot more fun and has the missing functionality in the browser and my particular device has an 8mp camera. Both phones are strong and with more time WP7 will be where android is at right now.

I'll still be getting the Desire as it'll be my first Smartphone and I like the look of the phone software. The tiles in my opinion is ugly, however I really should go to a store and play around with it, but for now, the Desire still wins for me.

I use my current phoen to play a few games, text and make calls. Occasional photos. But then the current phone isn't really built for internet browsing or anything, so maybe this will change when I get to grips with the new smart or smart phones.

Mr Spoon said,
I'll still be getting the Desire as it'll be my first Smartphone and I like the look of the phone software. The tiles in my opinion is ugly, however I really should go to a store and play around with it, but for now, the Desire still wins for me.

I use my current phoen to play a few games, text and make calls. Occasional photos. But then the current phone isn't really built for internet browsing or anything, so maybe this will change when I get to grips with the new smart or smart phones.


You are getting a phone because of the way it looks?

Looks very bias... in its current state, I can't see windows phone win at anything except media playback, xbox integration, and office.. but other than that, Android takes it.

tsupersonic said,
Looks very bias... in its current state, I can't see windows phone win at anything except media playback, xbox integration, and office.. but other than that, Android takes it.

Please tell us how and why!

stm24 said,

Please tell us how and why!
There are no apps that show the power of WP7 yet. Android has some great apps. Also, who gives a crap about "out of the box" experience? You're telling me the people who get these phones don't download apps? Even out of the box, WP7 (as of now) is very lacking. Apps do draw people, and it can make a platform. That is the beauty of Android, what it doesn't do well, it has apps for it. It's also open, so it is a geek's platform.

You also can't compare Android devices since the manufacturer has their own out of box experience. Take HTC's Sense, it is a far polished version of the default Android OS. Sense adds a unique keyboard, music player, lock screen, email, social networking. So, out of the box, my HTC Incredible (to me) is a far better experience in each of the categories listed above.

Having said all that, my next smartphone is going to be a WP7 device. I love the metro UI (from my Zune HD). I love the Zune integration, and I love the Office integration. My HTC Incredible serves me well for what it does now, but if I can consolidate my Zune and my smartphone into one device, count me in. I'm just waiting for WP7 to mature, and by the time I'm eligible for an upgrade, I'll get a WP7 device.

Does it boot in less than 3 minutes?
Is it still using that fugly interface?

I have a rooted desire, but that don't matter as all the programs I use can be downloaded for FREE in the marketplace.
It will run as a bittorrent client, for those who really want to.. andFTP to access FTP servers and copy MP3's or AVI's or JPG's directly to/from the phone over the wireless G (or N if you root).
I can also turn it into an FTP server and/or local hotspot using the 3G/cell data for any device to use. I watch 600MB AVIs perfectly in RockPlayer, text messages pop up with the option to reply if I am playing any game via handcent SMS. Winamp is the BOSS of any audio player I have used on the device, very easy. the screen is huge. linphone and skype work perfectly for VoIP calls, tubemate downloads youtube videos in any res direct to SD for playback in non-wifi zone. wardrive automatically maps open wifi points on maps. AndroZip lets me extract Zip files and CIFS Manager lets me mount remote shares as local folders... battery run time is about a day.

How is this Windows7 phone exactly better?

Ruciz said,
Does it boot in less than 3 minutes?

I was actually going to include this but didn't think it fitted. The device I have here boots in <30 seconds and isn't groggy when it's booted.

Ruciz said,
Does it boot in less than 3 minutes?
Is it still using that fugly interface?

I have a rooted desire, but that don't matter as all the programs I use can be downloaded for FREE in the marketplace.
It will run as a bittorrent client, for those who really want to.. andFTP to access FTP servers and copy MP3's or AVI's or JPG's directly to/from the phone over the wireless G (or N if you root).
I can also turn it into an FTP server and/or local hotspot using the 3G/cell data for any device to use. I watch 600MB AVIs perfectly in RockPlayer, text messages pop up with the option to reply if I am playing any game via handcent SMS. Winamp is the BOSS of any audio player I have used on the device, very easy. the screen is huge. linphone and skype work perfectly for VoIP calls, tubemate downloads youtube videos in any res direct to SD for playback in non-wifi zone. wardrive automatically maps open wifi points on maps. AndroZip lets me extract Zip files and CIFS Manager lets me mount remote shares as local folders... battery run time is about a day.

How is this Windows7 phone exactly better?


Agreed, Winamp is Boss!

I agree that the default audio player on Android is kinda lacking, but the video player is perfectly fine. Going by the review I don't see how WP7 is any better.

Regarding the Zune software, considering there's no such thing on Linux that's a moot point here, and I'd guess WP7 allows access as a standard massive storage device, because else that's a complete show stopper for me.
I already have media players on my PC which I use on a daily basis (namely Amarok), which can sync to my devices, and I don't see why I would want to use another extra app just for syncing (no matter if it's from MS or Google).

What a great idea to compare the Windows 7 phone to Android! It will definitely help people who are on the fence about which phone to buy. I'm wondering if you plan on doing a comparison of the Windows 7 phone with any other devices, such as the iPhone?

TuneUp Utilities said,
What a great idea to compare the Windows 7 phone to Android! It will definitely help people who are on the fence about which phone to buy. I'm wondering if you plan on doing a comparison of the Windows 7 phone with any other devices, such as the iPhone?

Apple & OSX or iOS are never threaten to Microsoft & Windows platform, it's always linux. That's why!

TuneUp Utilities said,
What a great idea to compare the Windows 7 phone to Android! It will definitely help people who are on the fence about which phone to buy. I'm wondering if you plan on doing a comparison of the Windows 7 phone with any other devices, such as the iPhone?

If I had an iPhone, I would. We're working on it! Watch this space. Thanks

Faisal Islam said,

It's coming.


That annoyed me too. Android had it, but it didnt make sense to screen cap one but not the other

waaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa of course xbl is better its MS waaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa
android is better if you install a million other apps waaaaaaaaaaa.
Get a grip people. Its one guys opinon and he clearly justifies his reasoning. Its not biased just as you are saying Android is better. Its an opinion.
Stop acting like little (green) children.

the better twin said,
waaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa of course xbl is better its MS waaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa
android is better if you install a million other apps waaaaaaaaaaa.
Get a grip people. Its one guys opinon and he clearly justifies his reasoning. Its not biased just as you are saying Android is better. Its an opinion.
Stop acting like little (green) children.

Its funny that with a comment like that, you are acting like one of the children.

People are expressing their opinions just like the OP. Granted, some of the comments could of been a little more tactful, but still its the users right to voice their opinions and if there is a problem, thats what MODs are for.

techbeck said,

Its funny that with a comment like that, you are acting like one of the children.

People are expressing their opinions just like the OP. Granted, some of the comments could of been a little more tactful, but still its the users right to voice their opinions and if there is a problem, thats what MODs are for.


Not really.
Saying that you disagree is one thing then there is the plain whining that people have been doing in all of these articles.
Comments like of course XBL will be better its by MS, then saying that its BS review??? What is BS about that? WP7 provides a better gaming experience.
People need to relax. If they are happy with their android good for them.
WP7 offers a good alternative without the need for people to install a butt load of apps to get it working how they want.

the better twin said,
waaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa of course xbl is better its MS waaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa
android is better if you install a million other apps waaaaaaaaaaa.
Get a grip people. Its one guys opinon and he clearly justifies his reasoning. Its not biased just as you are saying Android is better. Its an opinion.
Stop acting like little (green) children.

Are you that little kid Google engineer who said "This world doesn't need another platform (though his company made Android OS over old Windows Mobile platform)?

Nice review but this bit really annoyed me:
"Consumers all over are looking to ditch personal media players in favour of an all-in-one device"
Im sorry but phones simply do not have the battery life to replace a standalone media player which is why im desperate for MS to release a zune HD2 with WP7 OS.
Just as in the same way i wouldnt get rid of my camera.
Phones are jack of all trades master of none so i dont know why everyone is supposed to love all-in-one devices so much.

the better twin said,
Nice review but this bit really annoyed me:
"Consumers all over are looking to ditch personal media players in favour of an all-in-one device"
Im sorry but phones simply do not have the battery life to replace a standalone media player which is why im desperate for MS to release a zune HD2 with WP7 OS.
Just as in the same way i wouldnt get rid of my camera.
Phones are jack of all trades master of none so i dont know why everyone is supposed to love all-in-one devices so much.

I'm sorry but some of them just do - the iPhone being the best example, to my eternal irritation.

the better twin said,
Nice review but this bit really annoyed me:
Phones are jack of all trades master of none so i dont know why everyone is supposed to love all-in-one devices so much.

Bullsh*t. They are masters at making phone calls!

I WIN!

tomjol said,

I'm sorry but some of them just do - the iPhone being the best example, to my eternal irritation.


Iphone 4:
Talk time: Up to 7 hours on 3G, up to 14 hours on 2G
Standby time: Up to 300 hours

My phone a sony w595:
Sony Ercisson quotes up to nine hours of GSM talk and 385 hours on standby.

I make a few phone calls a day and send a fair few texts, nothing else. No browsing or listening to music.
It lasts about a day and a half.
Wouldnt last a day if i started to listen to music/watch videos/play games on it.

Phones cant cut it in terms of battery life.

the better twin said,

Iphone 4:
Talk time: Up to 7 hours on 3G, up to 14 hours on 2G
Standby time: Up to 300 hours

My phone a sony w595:
Sony Ercisson quotes up to nine hours of GSM talk and 385 hours on standby.

I make a few phone calls a day and send a fair few texts, nothing else. No browsing or listening to music.
It lasts about a day and a half.
Wouldnt last a day if i started to listen to music/watch videos/play games on it.

Phones cant cut it in terms of battery life.

So you have an old, tired Sony with an old, tired battery and wonder why it doesn't cope so well?

The VAST majority of iPhone/smartphone owners I know use it for music as well as their phone. I can look around the office right now, at 17:20 on a Friday evening when most people have gone home, and see at least 3 people doing so.

tomjol said,

So you have an old, tired Sony with an old, tired battery and wonder why it doesn't cope so well?

The VAST majority of iPhone/smartphone owners I know use it for music as well as their phone. I can look around the office right now, at 17:20 on a Friday evening when most people have gone home, and see at least 3 people doing so.


Nice assumptions.
The phone isnt that old actually.
Batteries just dont last. Especially when it comes to media playback. How many people watch videos on their phones?
Thought so

the better twin said,

Nice assumptions.
The phone isnt that old actually.
Batteries just dont last. Especially when it comes to media playback. How many people watch videos on their phones?
Thought so

Wo wo wo, nobody said anything about video! Now video will certainly chomp its way through your battery at some serious pace regardless of which device you have, there's no denying that.

Music, though, is fine. To say that nobody uses their phone for music or that modern smartphones can't keep up on the battery front is quite simply wrong.

the better twin said,
Nice review but this bit really annoyed me:
"Consumers all over are looking to ditch personal media players in favour of an all-in-one device"
Im sorry but phones simply do not have the battery life to replace a standalone media player which is why im desperate for MS to release a zune HD2 with WP7 OS.
Just as in the same way i wouldnt get rid of my camera.
Phones are jack of all trades master of none so i dont know why everyone is supposed to love all-in-one devices so much.

I honestly agree. I will use my WP7 device to take pictures, but rely on my digital camera moreso, because it's going to be better. I will use my WP7 device to listen to music or watch videos in a pinch or when bored, but will turn to my iPod when I am going to be listening for an extended period...

But with that said, I seem to be in the minority anymore. A lot of people can't afford all of those devices, so they are turning to these all in one devices that can do all these things good, and not spending the money on multiple devices that do things great. Does that mean that everyone's going to go that route? No. But in this current economic situation, I have definitely seen it more and I think the trend is going to continue...

the better twin said,
Nice review but this bit really annoyed me:
"Consumers all over are looking to ditch personal media players in favour of an all-in-one device"
Im sorry but phones simply do not have the battery life to replace a standalone media player which is why im desperate for MS to release a zune HD2 with WP7 OS.
Just as in the same way i wouldnt get rid of my camera.
Phones are jack of all trades master of none so i dont know why everyone is supposed to love all-in-one devices so much.

Fair point. The device I have here lasts around 36-48 hours on one charge when listening to music a lot, as well as texting, emailing and using Facebook. Not too bad, I thought!

Vieira said,
We all know that neowin is biased towards Microsoft.

No. In face, just a few week ago, somebody publish their editorial of why Android is better than Windows Phone 7 here on Neowin.

This series of Android vs Windows Phone 7 is the most bias load of payola bull crap I've ever read. How much did Microsoft pay you Owen? I mean common, this is so ridiculous, I'm seriously considering deleting my bookmark.

WJrandon said,
This series of Android vs Windows Phone 7 is the most bias load of payola bull crap I've ever read. How much did Microsoft pay you Owen? I mean common, this is so ridiculous, I'm seriously considering deleting my bookmark.

+ 100000000

WJrandon said,
This series of Android vs Windows Phone 7 is the most bias load of payola bull crap I've ever read. How much did Microsoft pay you Owen? I mean common, this is so ridiculous, I'm seriously considering deleting my bookmark.

Illiterate man deletes bookmark in anger. Full story at 10.

jakem1 said,

Illiterate man deletes bookmark in anger. Full story at 10.

Illiterate man able to mysteriously type. Full story at 11.

WJrandon said,
This series of Android vs Windows Phone 7 is the most bias load of payola bull crap I've ever read. How much did Microsoft pay you Owen? I mean common, this is so ridiculous, I'm seriously considering deleting my bookmark.

Are you that little kid Google engineer who said "This world doesn't need another platform?

WJrandon said,
This series of Android vs Windows Phone 7 is the most bias load of payola bull crap I've ever read. How much did Microsoft pay you Owen? I mean common, this is so ridiculous, I'm seriously considering deleting my bookmark.

So, because this doesn't jive with YOUR opinion, it is wrong and biased? How silly is that? And wouldn't your opinion be biased? How much time have you spent using a WP7 device? Surely hours, just like the reviewer, in order to come to your "unbiased" conclusion? /sarcasm

WJrandon said,
This series of Android vs Windows Phone 7 is the most bias load of payola bull crap I've ever read. How much did Microsoft pay you Owen? I mean common, this is so ridiculous, I'm seriously considering deleting my bookmark.

Nothing, actually!

jakem1 said,

Illiterate man deletes bookmark in anger. Full story at 10.

il·lit·er·ate Noun /i(l)ˈlitərit/
Synonyms:
* adjective: unlettered, ignorant, uneducated, unlearned

I'm guessing that definition applies to you more than it does him.


WJrandon said,
This series of Android vs Windows Phone 7 is the most bias load of payola bull crap I've ever read. How much did Microsoft pay you Owen? I mean common, this is so ridiculous, I'm seriously considering deleting my bookmark.

He said that it's his opinion.

Funny thing, some of us just want to get to the actual function we want to perform, not have to search, hack and tweak to get there.

efjay said,
Funny thing, some of us just want to get to the actual function we want to perform, not have to search, hack and tweak to get there.

Exactly my thoughts

efjay said,
Funny thing, some of us just want to get to the actual function we want to perform, not have to search, hack and tweak to get there.

And on wp7 if something doesn't work there are no alternatives lol, so you're stuck with buggy beta software. Just look at the web browser, you have no choice but to use crappy mobile IE that fails to render most sites. But I guess if that does it for you...

Flawed said,

And on wp7 if something doesn't work there are no alternatives lol, so you're stuck with buggy beta software. Just look at the web browser, you have no choice but to use crappy mobile IE that fails to render most sites. But I guess if that does it for you...

Just what part of Windows Phone 7 feel like beta. That's something I can say about Android.

The XBox Live service may be a Microsoft product but:

a) There's no reason why Google couldn't copy it like Apple did with their Games Center
b) Games from independent developers can be run on the platform.

A don't think anyone would seriously deny that Android is failing as a gaming platform.

vincent said,
"Xbox Live/Gaming: Winner Windows 7"

Duh, because Xbox Live/Gaming is an MS product, what a BS review...


Start wearing Glasses. there is a word "Gaming" just next to "Xbox" Can't u see?

vincent said,
"Xbox Live/Gaming: Winner Windows 7"

Duh, because Xbox Live/Gaming is an MS product, what a BS review...

I guess you missed the "/"... It was technically compared on "Gaming"... XBox Live was just what WP7 branded their games section...

Faisal Islam said,

Start wearing Glasses. there is a word "Gaming" just next to "Xbox" Can't u see?

And no real comparison of the gaming titles available... Android has more quality titles for it than wp7 = win.

jakem1 said,

A don't think anyone would seriously deny that Android is failing as a gaming platform.

Rubbish. It has all the best and latest 3d titles from gameloft and others. How many 3d games titles are available for wp7? Who cares about xbox live? Go play your xbox if you want it. You need an account for it anyway.

Flawed said,

Rubbish. It has all the best and latest 3d titles from gameloft and others. How many 3d games titles are available for wp7? Who cares about xbox live? Go play your xbox if you want it. You need an account for it anyway.

Guess what? Windows Phone 7 has a bunch of games from Gameloft and more coming (current demo) and Windows Phone marketplace just open.

Sorry, dont like these reviews one bit. You are comparing gaming and XBOX Live..of course XBL will work better on the Win7 phone. And with all the devs, roms, addons, and everything else you can do with the Android, it clearly can do more and have more features. And with a phone that was JUST released and making this review, it comes as biased and Win7 "wins" almost every category.

The OP is entitled to his opinion but that all it is.

techbeck said,
Sorry, dont like these reviews one bit. You are comparing gaming and XBOX Live..of course XBL will work better on the Win7 phone. And with all the devs, roms, addons, and everything else you can do with the Android, it clearly can do more and have more features. And with a phone that was JUST released and making this review, it comes as biased and Win7 "wins" almost every category.

The OP is entitled to his opinion but that all it is.


What category do you think Android should win then?

techbeck said,
Sorry, dont like these reviews one bit. You are comparing gaming and XBOX Live..of course XBL will work better on the Win7 phone. And with all the devs, roms, addons, and everything else you can do with the Android, it clearly can do more and have more features. And with a phone that was JUST released and making this review, it comes as biased and Win7 "wins" almost every category.

The OP is entitled to his opinion but that all it is.


Well, seeing as a lot of Android users use Xbox Live, it makes sense to compare the capability of both OSes in regard to Xbox Live.

Calum said,

Well, seeing as a lot of Android users use Xbox Live, it makes sense to compare the capability of both OSes in regard to Xbox Live.

It's not even that. They were truly compared on "Gaming", I think that section should be renamed. The fact that WP7 has XBox Live built in is just another positive, but the basic feature "Gaming" remains the same... Of course WP7 does that better in general anyway, but I think that should really be cleared up.

M_Lyons10 said,

It's not even that. They were truly compared on "Gaming", I think that section should be renamed. The fact that WP7 has XBox Live built in is just another positive, but the basic feature "Gaming" remains the same... Of course WP7 does that better in general anyway, but I think that should really be cleared up.


I just used Microsofts branding

Calum said,

Well, seeing as a lot of Android users use Xbox Live

How do you know that?
Calum said,

it makes sense to compare the capability of both OSes in regard to Xbox Live.

It would make sense to compare the number of popular gaming titles on each platform, That would be a fair comparison.

bolix said,

What category do you think Android should win then?

The problem is the categories and the things in them are carefully selected so as to ignore the areas where android is clearly superior. Anyone can pick and choose features to compare to make one side look more favourable. However in this case even that didn't work, because there really is nothing in wp7 that's worth buying it for.

Flawed said,

The problem is the categories and the things in them are carefully selected so as to ignore the areas where android is clearly superior. Anyone can pick and choose features to compare to make one side look more favourable. However in this case even that didn't work, because there really is nothing in wp7 that's worth buying it for.

Then what do you think should make Android win? That it has Google Earth?

Calum said,

Well, seeing as a lot of Android users use Xbox Live, it makes sense to compare the capability of both OSes in regard to Xbox Live.

No it doesn't, because Xbox Live was never meant to be an advertised feature of Android.

I think it would be wise if just remove this 'winning' stuff. It wouldn't take much to write counter-argument comparisons so by removing that and just purely comparing the user experience without opinion or winners/losers might be a good idea.

Personally nothing has made me want to get a smartphone more then WP7. Why? Because it offers everything that I, as a everyday user, need in a phone that is more then a phone.

Superb reviews so far, and this is the best yet. I have to agree that Xbox Live is far better on WP7 than it is on Android. It also has far, far better Zune syncing than the Android.

shemmie said,
Superb reviews so far, and this is the best yet. I have to agree that Xbox Live is far better on WP7 than it is on Android. It also has far, far better Zune syncing than the Android.

Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it.

shemmie said,
I have to agree that Xbox Live is far better on WP7 than it is on Android.

It also has far, far better Zune syncing than the Android.

I see what you did there.

shemmie said,
Superb reviews so far, and this is the best yet. I have to agree that Xbox Live is far better on WP7 than it is on Android. It also has far, far better Zune syncing than the Android.

I agree. I enjoyed this series. Though I do think there were a few things missing such as:

- Calendar
- MyPhone integration and cloud backup services (I'm still unsure if MyPhone is in WP7 though I assume it is)
- Camera software

To name a few.

M_Lyons10 said,

I agree. I enjoyed this series. Though I do think there were a few things missing such as:

- Calendar
- MyPhone integration and cloud backup services (I'm still unsure if MyPhone is in WP7 though I assume it is)
- Camera software

To name a few.


Thanks, I know a few things were missing, I may write an additional post at a later date

shemmie said,
Superb reviews so far, and this is the best yet. I have to agree that Xbox Live is far better on WP7 than it is on Android. It also has far, far better Zune syncing than the Android.

+1
Hehe.

M_Lyons10 said,

I agree. I enjoyed this series. Though I do think there were a few things missing such as:

- Calendar
- MyPhone integration and cloud backup services (I'm still unsure if MyPhone is in WP7 though I assume it is)
- Camera software

To name a few.


- Calender is sync from your email and you can add more event manually.
- Windows Phone 7 DOES integrate with the MyPhone service which is en equavalent of MobileMe but free.
- Camera software is excellent. You can take a picture or a video and slide to the left to see the preview without leaving the camera app

Out of the box... but you have to download youtube to then make a comparison... seems a little biased... if you are already having to talk about needing to download something, you might as well throw in everything android offers. Opinion review or not, there is not much thought going into this at all......

shakey said,
Out of the box... but you have to download youtube to then make a comparison... seems a little biased... if you are already having to talk about needing to download something, you might as well throw in everything android offers. Opinion review or not, there is not much thought going into this at all......

I had to download Facebook on me droid, it's only fair.

Owen W said,

I had to download Facebook on me droid, it's only fair.

I didn't. But that's not the point. If this is a "Out Of The Box" experience, then it really does not have youtube out of the box. If you are going to stick with a way of reviewing, it is good to be precise, and not to diverge from the path. If you are going to allow content you downloaded to fall into the equation, then you must account for what android has to offer, instead of just leaving it out when it helps make the other phone look better.....

Owen W said,

I had to download Facebook on me droid, it's only fair.

I didn't. My Epic 4g came with it and it also came with an app that combines all my social networking including myspace, facebook, twitter, etc.

nubs said,

I didn't. My Epic 4g came with it and it also came with an app that combines all my social networking including myspace, facebook, twitter, etc.

As packaged up by the OEM? And here is the fragmentation issue that Android is suffering from. You have no idea what you get when you get an Android device... And how would a reviewer review every possible combination of apps that OEM's are putting together?

Owen W said,

I had to download Facebook on me droid, it's only fair.

Stock 2.2 froyo comes with Facebook and twitter, so you're effectively comparing an old android version with the just released newest wp7, now that's fair isn't it...

shakey said,
Out of the box... but you have to download youtube to then make a comparison... seems a little biased... if you are already having to talk about needing to download something, you might as well throw in everything android offers. Opinion review or not, there is not much thought going into this at all......

Youtube doesn't come with Android. Your OEM preloaded it on your device.

day2die said,

Youtube doesn't come with Android. Your OEM preloaded it on your device.

I have a nexus one and it's preloaded. That's stock android.

Flawed said,

I have a nexus one and it's preloaded. That's stock android.

YouTube and the Android market are only pre loaded onto devices that are licensed to use them, but that applies to any device with a 3G capable antenna, so most smartphones will have them by default. It does amuse me however that you are so intent on talking about a "stock" experience and downloading extra apps.

"True 3D gaming isn't available yet, and many of the games aren't quite there yet."

This is ****ing me of for sure!!! I'm playing games like N.O.V.A., NFS Shift, Modern Combat Sandstorm, Dungeon Hunter, Let's Golf HD & etc. % you're telling me true 3D gaming isn't available on Android, what a ****ing joke! IMO you're just trying to make Android look bad, and secondly we got Winamp now on Android and also PowerAMP which kicks any portable player into the dust, WP7 will NEVER get anything like PowerAMP for music. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=813504

Your whole article should be re-written because it's filled with lies. Come on, WP7 is far behind Android in almost every area, face it!

owziee said,
"True 3D gaming isn't available yet, and many of the games aren't quite there yet."

This is ****ing me of for sure!!! I'm playing games like N.O.V.A., NFS Shift, Modern Combat Sandstorm, Dungeon Hunter, Let's Golf HD & etc. % you're telling me true 3D gaming isn't available on Android, what a ****ing joke! IMO you're just trying to make Android look bad, and secondly we got Winamp now on Android and also PowerAMP which kicks any portable player into the dust, WP7 will NEVER get anything like PowerAMP for music. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=813504

Your whole article should be re-written because it's filled with lies. Come on, WP7 is far behind Android in almost every area, face it!


I still think the WP7 games, as well as apps look better. Android can't get anywhere near DX9 and how smooth, snappy and good looking it is.

Edited by Owen W, Oct 29 2010, 1:34pm :

Owen W said,

I still think the WP7 games, as well as apps look better. Android can't get anywhere near DX9 and how smooth, snappy and good looking it is.

Sure, if you compare them with Abduction (really? I'm sure you could find an uglier game if you searched harder) and Angry Birds

Edited by MountainSnake, Oct 29 2010, 2:31pm :

owziee said,

Your whole article should be re-written because it's filled with lies. Come on, WP7 is far behind Android in almost every area, face it!

I honestly had no idea the Android Fanboy was so nuts... It's almost as bad as an Apple loyalist... Off the wall bonkers...

Owen W said,

I still think the WP7 games, as well as apps look better. Android can't get anywhere near DX9 and how smooth, snappy and good looking it is.

I'm sorry but that's just BS. Gameloft titles are top notch 3d games. Please show me a wp7 game that's any better? Not to mention there are more games available to android than wp7. Your whole argument has been destroyed lol.

If you're planning on buying a Windows Phone 7 device, let us know why in the comments.

But not why you're not?
OK. How much did Microsoft pay you? How do they sponsor Neowin?

Opinions on why it's bad is just as useful as opinions on why it's good.

If you care about an open community.

Wow.

Northgrove said,

But not why you're not?
OK. How much did Microsoft pay you?

Opinions on why it's bad is just as useful as opinions on why it's good.

Wow.

be careful, somebody will delete your post if you say he's getting paid by MS marketing budget and/or neowin

Northgrove said,

But not why you're not?
OK. How much did Microsoft pay you? How do they sponsor Neowin?

Opinions on why it's bad is just as useful as opinions on why it's good.

If you care about an open community.

Wow.


I appreciate your advice, and admit that was a mistake to not say that! I've updated the line to read:
"If you're planning on buying a Windows Phone 7 device, or even if you're not, let us know why in the comments."

Edited by Owen W, Oct 29 2010, 1:14pm :

Richteralan said,

be careful, somebody will delete your post if you say he's getting paid by MS marketing budget and/or neowin


I'm not being paid by Microsoft. It's interesting, if I said the Android was good, would you assume I was paid by them?

Edited by Owen W, Oct 29 2010, 1:55pm :

Owen W said,

I'm not being paid by Microsoft. It's interesting, if I said the Android was good, would you assume I was paid by them?

The answer to that question is obviously no. You know people don't like when their point of view doesn't win. It's like when my NORTH CAROLINA WOLFPACK DEFEATED THE FLORIDA STATE SEMINOLES last night and there were alot of salty FSU fans after the game. It was sweet! Sweet taste of victory (I was at the game).

Owen W said,

I'm not being paid by Microsoft. It's interesting, if I said the Android was good, would you assume I was paid by them?

Depends on how you write your series of professional review

Zedox said,

The answer to that question is obviously no. You know people don't like when their point of view doesn't win. It's like when my NORTH CAROLINA WOLFPACK DEFEATED THE FLORIDA STATE SEMINOLES last night and there were alot of salty FSU fans after the game. It was sweet! Sweet taste of victory (I was at the game).


Exactly, everything is just win or lose, black or white.

Northgrove said,

But not why you're not?
OK. How much did Microsoft pay you? How do they sponsor Neowin?

Opinions on why it's bad is just as useful as opinions on why it's good.

If you care about an open community.

Wow.


Northgrove, how much did Google pay you to write that comment?

...

See what I did there?

Owen W said,

I'm not being paid by Microsoft. It's interesting, if I said the Android was good, would you assume I was paid by them?

Exactly. It's nothing more than rabid fanboyism...

Calum said,

Northgrove, how much did Google pay you to write that comment?

...

See what I did there?

Do you sincerely think that's a valid analogy? LOL

But your name has colors! So yes you are right.

skylinestar said,
I hope there's Garmin app for WP7.

This is one are that I personally just don't understand. I have my Garmin (I love it), and I have a phone (Soon to be WP7 when it comes to Verizon)... But it seems like more of a hassle for them to be combined... When I'm being directed to my destination and the phone rings (I'm assuming it would have to pause giving me directions...), when I'm on the phone I can't really do much with the Garmin... How much use can you really get out of a phone that also has a Garmin built in? I think I'll keep mine separate.

Yet another article in this series from what appears to be a WP7 fanboy.

The music thing is completely silly...for how many years did the geek community bang on about how the iPhone sucked because you couldn't drag and drop and had to use iTunes instead? Now, using some horrible syncing application is seen as a benefit...er, what?

Android doesn't even have it's own official software right now for the desktop.

Seriously? The whole point is that YOU DON'T NEED ANY!

tomjol said,
Yet another article in this series from what appears to be a WP7 fanboy.

The music thing is completely silly...for how many years did the geek community bang on about how the iPhone sucked because you couldn't drag and drop and had to use iTunes instead? Now, using some horrible syncing application is seen as a benefit...er, what?

Seriously? The whole point is that YOU DON'T NEED ANY!

But you do really, media management on the Android SUCKS! It is the only thing I really do not like about my phone and the Zune software is slick enough that, all other areas being mostly equal or close enough this early on, might get me to change phones.

bob_c_b said,

But you do really, media management on the Android SUCKS! It is the only thing I really do not like about my phone and the Zune software is slick enough that, all other areas being mostly equal or close enough this early on, might get me to change phones.


My response would have been... what if I want an easier way?

Owen W said,

My response would have been... what if I want an easier way?

Is it really that hard to drag and drop? Personally I never really had a problem with having to sync via iTunes when I had an iPod and later iPhone, but it's been a standard complaint for many, many years.

Android doesn't even have it's own official software right now for the desktop

The lack of "official software" was, I'm quite sure, a conscious decision on Google's part. Why would they have any when the phones update themselves OTA and everyone already has their own favourite media player?

I know I've quoted this already, but it's a good demonstration of what this article feels like - if it doesn't fit with the way you like to use things, it's seen as a negative. In other words, it doesn't feel very objective.

tomjol said,

Is it really that hard to drag and drop? Personally I never really had a problem with having to sync via iTunes when I had an iPod and later iPhone, but it's been a standard complaint for many, many years.

The lack of "official software" was, I'm quite sure, a conscious decision on Google's part. Why would they have any when the phones update themselves OTA and everyone already has their own favourite media player?

I know I've quoted this already, but it's a good demonstration of what this article feels like - if it doesn't fit with the way you like to use things, it's seen as a negative. In other words, it doesn't feel very objective.


I so agree with this. One of the most appealing things about Android is the fact that if you don't like something about the phone, there is an app out there that does what you want it to do. That's what it means to have open software. It means that out of the box functionality for the base OS is lacking but that there are a plethora of apps that do what you want them to do and how you want them to do it. Take for example Launcher Pro and ADW.Launcher; both of these launcher programs critically modify the way in which a person interacts with their phone, and they are easily available for download from the android market.

tomjol said,
Yet another article in this series from what appears to be a WP7 fanboy.

The music thing is completely silly...for how many years did the geek community bang on about how the iPhone sucked because you couldn't drag and drop and had to use iTunes instead? Now, using some horrible syncing application is seen as a benefit...er, what?

Seriously? The whole point is that YOU DON'T NEED ANY!

You are missing the poing that the ZuneHD and Zune software work well, and are a great combination that outclasses the iPhone and iTunes. Zune Pass makes having every song you want available at a whim. The Zune market is also great for video content, but that is beyond the scope of the music comparison.

PS, you can drag and drop songs and videos to the Zune Software and they load to the phone.

tomjol said,
Now, using some horrible syncing application is seen as a benefit...er, what?
Seriously? The whole point is that YOU DON'T NEED ANY!

+1
Hehe. Since when is using proprietary software to access your device's content a good thing Look at most portable media players these days, they allow you to access it as a mass storage device like a usb memory stick. This is a good thing lol.

thenetavenger said,

PS, you can drag and drop songs and videos to the Zune Software and they load to the phone.

What If I'm using Ubuntu, will I still be able to access my windows 7 phone?

tomjol said,
Yet another article in this series from what appears to be a WP7 fanboy.

The music thing is completely silly...for how many years did the geek community bang on about how the iPhone sucked because you couldn't drag and drop and had to use iTunes instead? Now, using some horrible syncing application is seen as a benefit...er, what?

Seriously? The whole point is that YOU DON'T NEED ANY!


I have to say, for all the garbage iTunes is on Windows, at least I have something to manage my songs.

bob_c_b said,

But you do really, media management on the Android SUCKS! It is the only thing I really do not like about my phone and the Zune software is slick enough that, all other areas being mostly equal or close enough this early on, might get me to change phones.

On a side note, and a bit ironic... The best software I have found to mange the media on the Droid is Windows Media Player. Dragging and dropping to the SD is handy, but the ability to sync media contents and playlists, etc is a lot easier, especially when you change up your media files quite often.

I use to be a 'this is what an OS and file systems are for person', but later in life, there is no reason not to just let the computer keep my stuff updated.

I wish there were better syncing solutions for the Droid, especially via WiFi. I keep my ZuneHD in one car, and use the wireless sync, and every day it has my new podcasts, songs, and video ready to go, without ever having to remove it from the car. It has become my car entertainment system, that is always up to date.

thenetavenger said,

You are missing the poing that the ZuneHD and Zune software work well, and are a great combination that outclasses the iPhone and iTunes. Zune Pass makes having every song you want available at a whim. The Zune market is also great for video content, but that is beyond the scope of the music comparison.

PS, you can drag and drop songs and videos to the Zune Software and they load to the phone.

Yeah, and Zune sucks ass everywhere outside of North America.

Owen W said,

My response would have been... what if I want an easier way?

Drag, drop, and let Android's media players enumerate the content. It's not exactly rocket science.

"Android gaming hasn't taken off too quickly, with the more popular titles, such as “Angry Birds” only becoming available recently. True 3D gaming isn't available yet, and many of the games aren't quite there yet."

Lol, never heard such nonsense. Please check some games by Gameloft and Polarbit. Play Reckless Racing and then come back in biased mode/off. Avatar, NFS, ExZeus, HyperJump, Fifa 2010, Hawx, etc, etc, there's so many out there.
You are the reviewer that once said that Android games are comparable to MSDOS games in terms of graphics and here you give as an example Angry Birds for Android and for WP7 a splendorous 3d game. Please, give me a break.

MountainSnake said,
"Android gaming hasn't taken off too quickly, with the more popular titles, such as “Angry Birds” only becoming available recently. True 3D gaming isn't available yet, and many of the games aren't quite there yet."

Lol, never heard such nonsense. Please check some games by Gameloft and Polarbit. Play Reckless Racing and then come back in biased mode/off. Avatar, NFS, ExZeus, HyperJump, Fifa 2010, Hawx, etc, etc, there's so many out there.
You are the reviewer that once said that Android games are comparable to MSDOS games in terms of graphics and here you give as an example Angry Birds for Android and for WP7 a splendorous 3d game. Please, give me a break.


Um...Reckless Racing looks MUCH better on the iPhone than it does on Android. NFS? Yet again looks better on the iPhone than it does on Android. Hawk? Really? That game does look like a MSDOS game.

And this is coming from someone who would much much rather purchase an Android device over the iPhone.

/- Razorfold said,

Um...Reckless Racing looks MUCH better on the iPhone than it does on Android. NFS? Yet again looks better on the iPhone than it does on Android. Hawk? Really? That game does look like a MSDOS game.

And this is coming from someone who would much much rather purchase an Android device over the iPhone.

And the iPhone is mentioned here because...?

Hawx isn't great BUT it's real 3D.

MountainSnake said,
"
You are the reviewer that once said that Android games are comparable to MSDOS games in terms of graphics and here you give as an example Angry Birds for Android and for WP7 a splendorous 3d game. Please, give me a break.

Please point me to where I said that.

MountainSnake said,
"Android gaming hasn't taken off too quickly, with the more popular titles, such as “Angry Birds” only becoming available recently. True 3D gaming isn't available yet, and many of the games aren't quite there yet."

Lol, never heard such nonsense. Please check some games by Gameloft and Polarbit. Play Reckless Racing and then come back in biased mode/off. Avatar, NFS, ExZeus, HyperJump, Fifa 2010, Hawx, etc, etc, there's so many out there.
You are the reviewer that once said that Android games are comparable to MSDOS games in terms of graphics and here you give as an example Angry Birds for Android and for WP7 a splendorous 3d game. Please, give me a break.

Gaming on Android is still weak, it's almost as bad as media management, and this coming from someone who dumped his iPhone for an Android and is much happier, but there is no denying the Zune software and the Xbox Live integration are compelling features on WP7.

MountainSnake said,
"Android gaming hasn't taken off too quickly, with the more popular titles, such as “Angry Birds” only becoming available recently. True 3D gaming isn't available yet, and many of the games aren't quite there yet."

Lol, never heard such nonsense. Please check some games by Gameloft and Polarbit. Play Reckless Racing and then come back in biased mode/off. Avatar, NFS, ExZeus, HyperJump, Fifa 2010, Hawx, etc, etc, there's so many out there.
You are the reviewer that once said that Android games are comparable to MSDOS games in terms of graphics and here you give as an example Angry Birds for Android and for WP7 a splendorous 3d game. Please, give me a break.


Agreed, try taking a look at games like Asphalt, Assassins Creed, and some of the other 3D games that are pretty damn slick on Android.

MountainSnake said,

And the iPhone is mentioned here because...?

Hawx isn't great BUT it's real 3D.


Because the iPhone, for now, has the best gaming experience of all the smartphones. WP7 games are looking like they're of similar quality. Android still isn't up there yet.

MountainSnake said,
"Android gaming hasn't taken off too quickly, with the more popular titles, such as “Angry Birds” only becoming available recently. True 3D gaming isn't available yet, and many of the games aren't quite there yet."

Lol, never heard such nonsense. Please check some games by Gameloft and Polarbit. Play Reckless Racing and then come back in biased mode/off. Avatar, NFS, ExZeus, HyperJump, Fifa 2010, Hawx, etc, etc, there's so many out there.
You are the reviewer that once said that Android games are comparable to MSDOS games in terms of graphics and here you give as an example Angry Birds for Android and for WP7 a splendorous 3d game. Please, give me a break.

Yes you are correct that Android 2.x releases have basic OpenGL available, but the devices themselves have no mandated DX9c capable GPU. And this is a huge difference, as no Android or iPhone in existence has the basic graphical muscle that is standard in hardware on all WP7 phones.

Even the basic OS UI and SIlverlight are all 3D accelerationed/assisted, let alone the gaming platform is capable of producing games that rival PC titles from the 2005 era, on a phone.

Gingerbread is rumored to add in OpenGL to the basic desktop of the phone, but again, this is still going to be problematic for many current phones that don't have the GPU muscle to handle it, and instead much of the OpenGL is going to be shoved through the CPU.

Seriously, go look up gaming engines Windows phone 7, as there are some impressive videos of what the phone is capable of that will never happen on the current generation of Android and iPhone devices.

This is not to say they won't catch up, as they will and should, but right now, WP7 is the most powerful gaming device even outside of the phone classification, besting handheld gaming devices from Sony and Nintendo.

Microsoft requiring the GPU to be beefy in the devices was one really good thing they did, and the development tools they offer make it rather easy to makes some impressive titles for it that wouldn't get 1fps on the best Android of iPhone4.

bob_c_b said,
Gaming on Android is still weak

Completely disagree. There are many more popular titles on android than wp7. And look at sony's latest android playstation phone. That thing will be awesome with the playstation catalog of games.
bob_c_b said,

but there is no denying the Zune software and the Xbox Live integration are compelling features on WP7.

I deny it, and so does the majority. Zune and its software are toiling in obscurity. Nobody uses it! Is xbox live suddenly free for phone users? So not only will you have to pay for the games, but also for the priviledge of using it on a windows phone lol. The number of games is no where near that on the xbox. I see no compelling or even attractive reasons to buy a wp7. It's still beta software with no where near the functionality and aesthetics of android or iOS.

Flawed said,

Completely disagree. There are many more popular titles on android than wp7. And look at sony's latest android playstation phone. That thing will be awesome with the playstation catalog of games.

Of cause there are more games on Android. Android has been around longer, yet games on Android have inferoir quality. Oh, and are your comparing Windows Phone 7 to a vaporware Playstation Phone?

Flawed said,

I deny it, and so does the majority. Zune and its software are toiling in obscurity. Nobody uses it! Is xbox live suddenly free for phone users? So not only will you have to pay for the games, but also for the priviledge of using it on a windows phone lol. The number of games is no where near that on the xbox. I see no compelling or even attractive reasons to buy a wp7. It's still beta software with no where near the functionality and aesthetics of android or iOS.

First plenty of people uses Zune software and how is this any different from anyone using iTunes. Second, Xbox Live is free; you would have known that if you actually look at the phone instead of bashing it. Third, from personal experience the OS is smooth and stable. Android feel more like beta software.

Flawed said,

Completely disagree. There are many more popular titles on android than wp7. And look at sony's latest android playstation phone. That thing will be awesome with the playstation catalog of games.

I deny it, and so does the majority. Zune and its software are toiling in obscurity. Nobody uses it! Is xbox live suddenly free for phone users? So not only will you have to pay for the games, but also for the priviledge of using it on a windows phone lol. The number of games is no where near that on the xbox. I see no compelling or even attractive reasons to buy a wp7. It's still beta software with no where near the functionality and aesthetics of android or iOS.

The PSP phone does look cool, but realize that the WP7 is already graphically ahead of the PSP titles, even ahead of what the PS2 was capable of, and has some of the same GPU features/class that you would find in the PS3 RSX GPU.

Android only has OpenGL ES, which is a long jump from what the DX9c features WP7 offers.

I notice how people also jump in to mention games like Assassins Creed on Android, but it is a ported Nintendo DS title, and again is several generations behind what WP7 is doing today. Not that it isn't a great game, and even great looking, but when you see WP7 game engines making 5 year old PC games look outdated, there is going to be a massive shift in the quality and performance of gaming on phones. Android and iOS will have to catch up or Microsoft will own the phone gaming market.


As for your final point, it may be a little soon for people to rush out and dump their iPhone or Android device; however, by the time your contract on your phone is up, the WP7 will be something to consider. Right now it isn't fully released around the world, and there are some missing features and the Apps are just now starting to hit the low 1,000s, but it doesn't mean the platform itself is entirely 'catching up', as it is doing things the current Android and iPhones cannot.

Completely disagree. There are many more popular titles on android than wp7. And look at sony's latest android playstation phone. That thing will be awesome with the playstation catalog of games.

So you're comparing the number of titles on a 2+ year old OS to a 2 week old OS? Oh dam you Microsoft, why couldn't you get 100,000 apps on the marketplace already. Let's completely forget about the 12,000+ developers that are coding apps certified for early release (ie the day WP7 launches in America)...

thenetavenger said,

Microsoft requiring the GPU to be beefy in the devices was one really good thing they did, and the development tools they offer make it rather easy to makes some impressive titles for it that wouldn't get 1fps on the best Android of iPhone4.

No, wrong. There is nothing special in the WP7 devices GPU. They are all Snapdragon soc's with that silly Adreno GPU. My Galaxy S has a Hummingbird with a PowerVR SGX540 that is 2 or 3 times faster.

I've seen a few video reviews of Android phones and now of WP7 phones and I gotta say, some of the winners don't deserve the prize! Especially the homescreen - although with nice ideas and slick animations, its ugly and poorly designed.
I'm also not sure what were the arguments the reviewer used when judging video - he basically says video is great because of the desktop software that can convert to a format the phone will play. My question is, is it necessary to convert to a WP7-liked format for them to play? And how is that a good thing? If I want to have multiple video formats on my phone, I can't?

Finally, I would have like to have seen a calendar comparison. It's very important in a smartphone, why then was it left out?

Setnom said,
I've seen a few video reviews of Android phones and now of WP7 phones and I gotta say, some of the winners don't deserve the prize! Especially the homescreen - although with nice ideas and slick animations, its ugly and poorly designed.
I'm also not sure what were the arguments the reviewer used when judging video - he basically says video is great because of the desktop software that can convert to a format the phone will play. My question is, is it necessary to convert to a WP7-liked format for them to play? And how is that a good thing? If I want to have multiple video formats on my phone, I can't?

Finally, I would have like to have seen a calendar comparison. It's very important in a smartphone, why then was it left out?

You must be confused because WP7 won the Homescreen comparison.

BTW, WP7 supports a wide range of video formats including DivX and XVid out of the box.

jakem1 said,

You must be confused because WP7 won the Homescreen comparison.

Perhaps I wasn't clear or you missunderstood, what I meant to say regarding the Homescreen comparison is that, in my opinion, the WP7 Homescreen didn't deserve to win.

Setnom said,
My question is, is it necessary to convert to a WP7-liked format for them to play? And how is that a good thing? If I want to have multiple video formats on my phone, I can't?

It doesn't save a copy like this, it just does it seamlessly in the background, so it doesn't really matter.

Finally, I would have like to have seen a calendar comparison. It's very important in a smartphone, why then was it left out?

Dammit, I knew I'd forgotten something. I'll keep it in mind, see what I can figure out.


Perhaps I wasn't clear or you missunderstood, what I meant to say regarding the Homescreen comparison is that, in my opinion, the WP7 Homescreen didn't deserve to win.

Appreciate the feedback, and my response to this is, Have you used a WP7 device for more than five minutes? If you do, you'll realize how it's actually very useful and functional. It's hard to describe how good it feels, you've gotta try it yourself

Edited by Owen W, Oct 29 2010, 1:47pm :

jakem1 said,

You must be confused because WP7 won the Homescreen comparison.

BTW, WP7 supports a wide range of video formats including DivX and XVid out of the box.

Yes but Divx compatability has nothing to do with the WP7, it has to do with the certification for that specific phone. As an example my Samsung Epic 4g is also compatible with Divx and Xvid out of the box. It has a built in task killer. It has a frickin sweet built in texting app called swype, it has a great UI that pretty much takes on all of the advantages of the WP7 head on. Although you can lump all android phones in together, the reality is that you shouldn't as some of them provide very different user experiences than others.

Setnom said,
I'm also not sure what were the arguments the reviewer used when judging video - he basically says video is great because of the desktop software that can convert to a format the phone will play. My question is, is it necessary to convert to a WP7-liked format for them to play? And how is that a good thing? If I want to have multiple video formats on my phone, I can't?

++++++ 1000000

With Android and Rockplayer videos don't need to be converted and it supports nearly every format anybody can imagine... Android is so much better in every departement that it's not even funny!

owziee said,

++++++ 1000000

With Android and Rockplayer videos don't need to be converted and it supports nearly every format anybody can imagine... Android is so much better in every departement that it's not even funny!

Funny, since WP7 seems to be regarded as better in just about every department... Hm...

owziee said,

++++++ 1000000

With Android and Rockplayer videos don't need to be converted and it supports nearly every format anybody can imagine... Android is so much better in every departement that it's not even funny!


That's out of the box then??

owziee said,

++++++ 1000000

With Android and Rockplayer videos don't need to be converted and it supports nearly every format anybody can imagine... Android is so much better in every departement that it's not even funny!


Let's take that million right back off you. Rockplayer IS NOT part of Android. It's a third party app. I'm sure in 2 years, there will be superior WP7 apps too. It's irrelevant.

The review is of the OS, not what apps are available for it, or are installed by phone manufacturers. It's also not about any specific phone.

It's undeniable (no matter how hard you try) that the video and music capabilities of the Windows Phone 7 OS (with no apps) are vastly superior to those of the Android 2.2 OS (with no apps).

jakem1 said,

You must be confused because WP7 won the Homescreen comparison.

According to whom? Owen the self confessed wp7 lover?

jakem1 said,

BTW, WP7 supports a wide range of video formats including DivX and XVid out of the box.

Xvid?

Flawed said,

According to whom? Owen the self confessed wp7 lover?


Xvid?


This is an opinion. For all I care, you should look at a feature list to see all the useless features that Android has that Windows Phone 7 doesn't. There's probably a 1000 things WP7 doesn't have. Just stare at it all day.

nubs said,

Yes but Divx compatability has nothing to do with the WP7, it has to do with the certification for that specific phone. As an example my Samsung Epic 4g is also compatible with Divx and Xvid out of the box. It has a built in task killer. It has a frickin sweet built in texting app called swype, it has a great UI that pretty much takes on all of the advantages of the WP7 head on. Although you can lump all android phones in together, the reality is that you shouldn't as some of them provide very different user experiences than others.

Um, no...

It has everything to do with WP7, as WP7 requires all hardware to support the codecs via the CPU and GPU requirements, and it is internally handling the codecs in the OS.

Additionally, it is WP7 that is providing the licensing of the codecs so developers can use these formats in WP7 Apps without special licensing, because Microsoft already paid them.

Sure there are Android devices that have the hardware to off accellerate some of these codecs, but it is NOT built into the OS itself, and the codec playing and players are 3rd party.

It is just like Windows7 desktop, 99% of the codecs just play because Microsoft licensed them for the OS and therefore developers and applications and end users can just play the video and audio files as needed without special licensing. (It is one of the better featuers of Windows7 that 3rd party codecs aren't needed 99% of the time, and this now also applies to the WP7.)

Flawed said,

According to whom? Owen the self confessed wp7 lover?


Xvid?

Android supported Codecs
http://developer.android.com/g...appendix/media-formats.html

WP7 supported Codecs
http://wmpoweruser.com/updates...ed-xvid-and-divx-supported/

There is a massive difference in what the OS handles natively and provides to applications, let alone what will just naturally play for the end user without an army of 3rd party codecs and players.

(Remember I am a Droid user here, I like my Droid, but I also like my ZuneHD for the media it supports, and WP7 provides even better support of content formats.)

reverseswing said,
"No pizza then, I guess. "

you know you could just use the smart-"PHONE" to call the pizza place right?

pfft. Voice calls are so 5 years ago.

reverseswing said,
"No pizza then, I guess. "

you know you could just use the smart-"PHONE" to call the pizza place right?


I was hoping someone would pick that up

reverseswing said,
"No pizza then, I guess. "
you know you could just use the smart-"PHONE" to call the pizza place right?

It just demonstrates yet another lacking feature in wp7. Who on earth would pay their hard earned money to be a beta tester for microsoft's latest phone software?

Flawed said,

It just demonstrates yet another lacking feature in wp7. Who on earth would pay their hard earned money to be a beta tester for microsoft's latest phone software?

Who in the world would use Android knowning that Google would be spying on them the whole time?

Also, Microsoft's latest Ad Campaign for "The Phone You Don't Need" is a complete joke. I'm sorry but whoever thought of that should be fired, then shot and have the remains burned.

I know what you are thinking "A Microsoft ad campaign that backfires? That's unheard of." *sarcasm*

UndergroundWire said,
Also, Microsoft's latest Ad Campaign for "The Phone You Don't Need" is a complete joke. I'm sorry but whoever thought of that should be fired, then shot and have the remains burned.

I know what you are thinking "A Microsoft ad campaign that backfires? That's unheard of." *sarcasm*

I agree, I don't like it either. But I do love the OS, so I'll deal. lol Hopefully they'll change direction with the campaign though.

UndergroundWire said,
Also, Microsoft's latest Ad Campaign for "The Phone You Don't Need" is a complete joke. I'm sorry but whoever thought of that should be fired, then shot and have the remains burned.

I know what you are thinking "A Microsoft ad campaign that backfires? That's unheard of." *sarcasm*


Microsoft "I am a PC" ads has always been horrible, but this ads is somewhat better.

Did I miss something? Where is the mention of free GPS Navigation, Chrome2Phone, Google Earth, Adobe AIR? All features that Android has that Windows Phone 7 doesn't.

Second point, the people I know with an iPhone, Android phone and BlackBerry's don't want to use there phone as an MP3 player. Battery technology has not evolved to the point in keeping up with the features of today's smartphones. I for one will stick with my Zune for my music and podcasting because I don't want to kill my battery even faster. I'm one of those guys that's listens to music or various podcasts all day long when I am working. If I want to get 4 hours out of my phone, I will start using my phone for music and podcasting.

Let's face it, Windows Phone 7 will be lucky if they can get 5% market share of total smartphone users. The fact of the matter is it is too little too late for Microsoft. Windows Phone 7 in my opinion will remain on the bottom of the list for your average smartphone shopper. IMO, BlackBerry got its footing for being a reliable business phone (which is now starting to change). Apple got its name because, well it's Apple. And Android got it's name from the "computer geeks". Plus Android is the first smartphone that actually gets what consumers want and it's becoming a real threat to Apple (as you can see it in Steve Jobs reactions http://goo.gl/72iF).

And what about live integration, zune pass, silverlight, xbox, office suite etc that Windows Phone 7 has but Android doesn't?

You can't sit down and compare like every single feature of a phone, that would just be absurd. =/ And then you have to take into account apps on each phone (pretty sure free gps nav is coming to WP7 since 6.5 had it) and that just makes things even more confusing.

I actually think WP7 will get more than 5%. And theres absolutely nothing like too late, where do people even come up with that from? It took the iPhone an entire year to get 3g, a year to get GPS, 2-3 years to get copy and paste, 3 years to get multitasking. That still did well didn't it? And sure you could have said the iPhone was late...WinMo had copy and paste back in like 2003, 3G a few years after than, GPS around the same time as 3g. And with Microsoft promising that most of the glaring omissions will be added it early 2011...that would bring WP7 upto where the iPhone and Android are.

As for music? Sure if you listen to music as much as you do then yeh...not the best of ideas. But most people don't, and for the 1 hour or so journey to and from work I'm pretty sure the battery will hold up fine (well maybe not for the HD7 since that has the smallest battery <.< )

And yeh Android's customization is great, if you're a geek. I'm willing to bet you that anyone who isn't and has an Android will just be using what came with the phone. They won't care / know you can install custom roms / change launchers / add in a task manager (still don't see why google hasn't made a built in one yet...) etc.

UndergroundWire said,
Did I miss something? Where is the mention of free GPS Navigation, Chrome2Phone, Google Earth, Adobe AIR? All features that Android has that Windows Phone 7 doesn't.

Second point, the people I know with an iPhone, Android phone and BlackBerry's don't want to use there phone as an MP3 player. Battery technology has not evolved to the point in keeping up with the features of today's smartphones. I for one will stick with my Zune for my music and podcasting because I don't want to kill my battery even faster. I'm one of those guys that's listens to music or various podcasts all day long when I am working. If I want to get 4 hours out of my phone, I will start using my phone for music and podcasting.

Let's face it, Windows Phone 7 will be lucky if they can get 5% market share of total smartphone users. The fact of the matter is it is too little too late for Microsoft. Windows Phone 7 in my opinion will remain on the bottom of the list for your average smartphone shopper. IMO, BlackBerry got its footing for being a reliable business phone (which is now starting to change). Apple got its name because, well it's Apple. And Android got it's name from the "computer geeks". Plus Android is the first smartphone that actually gets what consumers want and it's becoming a real threat to Apple (as you can see it in Steve Jobs reactions http://goo.gl/72iF).


I wouldn't be too sure the mobile phone market is one that can change quite easily. This stems from the fact that the people buying these phones are generally in contracts of 1-2 years and when the contract is up most people I know shop around to get the best deal. With the amnount of support that WP7 has and suport that is only growing I actually believe that both android and WP7 will corrode blackberry and iphone sales.
Before you say that is ridiculous these two Operating systems have the capability to be on many more devices.

/- Razorfold said,
...
And yeh Android's customization is great, if you're a geek. I'm willing to bet you that anyone who isn't and has an Android will just be using what came with the phone. They won't care / know you can install custom roms / change launchers / add in a task manager (still don't see why google hasn't made a built in one yet...) etc.

oh please, you're taking this "ANDROID IS FOR GEEKS~!" argument way too far.
changing a launcher takes no more than installing an app. You don't need to be a geek to do that. heck, even my mother switched launchers on her own(true story)

oh, android has a built in task manager that no one seems to know of...

Knaarfje said,

oh please, you're taking this "ANDROID IS FOR GEEKS~!" argument way too far.
changing a launcher takes no more than installing an app. You don't need to be a geek to do that. heck, even my mother switched launchers on her own(true story)

oh, android has a built in task manager that no one seems to know of...


Unless you can prove me wrong I'm still willing to bet that the majority of non geeks will be using the stock launcher that came with their phone (whatever that may be), the stock rom, the stock keyboard etc.

And yes I know about androids built in task manager, but thats not what I was getting at. There is no way to manually kill an app in the OS, you have to let it decide whats important and what isn't. And sometimes the OS' automatic task management isn't the best...

UndergroundWire said,

Let's face it, Windows Phone 7 will be lucky if they can get 5% market share of total smartphone users. The fact of the matter is it is too little too late for Microsoft. Windows Phone 7 in my opinion will remain on the bottom of the list for your average smartphone shopper. IMO, BlackBerry got its footing for being a reliable business phone (which is now starting to change). Apple got its name because, well it's Apple. And Android got it's name from the "computer geeks". Plus Android is the first smartphone that actually gets what consumers want and it's becoming a real threat to Apple (as you can see it in Steve Jobs reactions http://goo.gl/72iF).

According to IDC Microsoft will have a market share equal to that of iPhone by 2014.

http://wmpoweruser.com/idc-say...ccess-with-windows-phone-7/

According to IDC Microsoft will sell 30 Million Windows Phone 7 licenses by the end of 2011 with 1.6 million of them in France only.

/- Razorfold said,

Unless you can prove me wrong I'm still willing to bet that the majority of non geeks will be using the stock launcher that came with their phone (whatever that may be), the stock rom, the stock keyboard etc.

And yes I know about androids built in task manager, but thats not what I was getting at. There is no way to manually kill an app in the OS, you have to let it decide whats important and what isn't. And sometimes the OS' automatic task management isn't the best...

I don't have any proof. I do however know a lot of people with an android device, and I believe that all of those people actually really enjoy exploring the capabilities of their phones. They'll often browse the market and install something like a custom keyboard or a different launcher. then again, these aren't real facts.

also, You can see a list of running processes and apps and force close any of those out of the box... You can find it here:
Settings > Applications > running services
Settings > applications > manage applications > "running" tab

Knaarfje said,

oh please, you're taking this "ANDROID IS FOR GEEKS~!" argument way too far.
changing a launcher takes no more than installing an app. You don't need to be a geek to do that. heck, even my mother switched launchers on her own(true story)

oh, android has a built in task manager that no one seems to know of...

Does not mean EVERY mother will know how to change launchers, just so you know. You have to take a step back, breathe in, relax, and look at the larger picture. This is precisely why the iPhone is dominating the mobile phone market.

UndergroundWire said,
Did I miss something? Where is the mention of free GPS Navigation, Chrome2Phone, Google Earth, Adobe AIR? All features that Android has that Windows Phone 7 doesn't.

Second point, the people I know with an iPhone, Android phone and BlackBerry's don't want to use there phone as an MP3 player. Battery technology has not evolved to the point in keeping up with the features of today's smartphones. I for one will stick with my Zune for my music and podcasting because I don't want to kill my battery even faster. I'm one of those guys that's listens to music or various podcasts all day long when I am working. If I want to get 4 hours out of my phone, I will start using my phone for music and podcasting.

Let's face it, Windows Phone 7 will be lucky if they can get 5% market share of total smartphone users. The fact of the matter is it is too little too late for Microsoft. Windows Phone 7 in my opinion will remain on the bottom of the list for your average smartphone shopper. IMO, BlackBerry got its footing for being a reliable business phone (which is now starting to change). Apple got its name because, well it's Apple. And Android got it's name from the "computer geeks". Plus Android is the first smartphone that actually gets what consumers want and it's becoming a real threat to Apple (as you can see it in Steve Jobs reactions http://goo.gl/72iF).

WP7 has free GPS navigation through Bing Maps and the rest of your list is irrelevant. Why would I want Adobe Air and I've never even heard of Chrome2Phone.

I use my phone as an MP3 player and have no intention of carrying a phone and a seperate PMP

You sound like a fanboy who's upset that their precious lost a little comparison.

Chrome2phone was awesome, and I miss it, but I can live without it. It was more hassle than it was worth. I use a Google Apps account (don't have an official "Gmail.com" one) and I had to sign out of the Apps account every time I wanted to Chrome2Phone it.

UndergroundWire said,
Did I miss something? Where is the mention of free GPS Navigation, Chrome2Phone, Google Earth, Adobe AIR? All features that Android has that Windows Phone 7 doesn't.

Second point, the people I know with an iPhone, Android phone and BlackBerry's don't want to use there phone as an MP3 player. Battery technology has not evolved to the point in keeping up with the features of today's smartphones. I for one will stick with my Zune for my music and podcasting because I don't want to kill my battery even faster. I'm one of those guys that's listens to music or various podcasts all day long when I am working. If I want to get 4 hours out of my phone, I will start using my phone for music and podcasting.

Let's face it, Windows Phone 7 will be lucky if they can get 5% market share of total smartphone users. The fact of the matter is it is too little too late for Microsoft. Windows Phone 7 in my opinion will remain on the bottom of the list for your average smartphone shopper. IMO, BlackBerry got its footing for being a reliable business phone (which is now starting to change). Apple got its name because, well it's Apple. And Android got it's name from the "computer geeks". Plus Android is the first smartphone that actually gets what consumers want and it's becoming a real threat to Apple (as you can see it in Steve Jobs reactions http://goo.gl/72iF).

It is a little early in the availabiltiy of Apps to start splitting hairs of what has what, especially when Android 1.6 and other devices can't even run some of the applications you mention. (OpenGL support was not there/mature in earlier releases of Android, and it wasn't until the 2.x generation from this year that even Google Earth was available.

On the same note, there are already a lot of 3rd party applications on the WP7 that you don't get on Android, like Netflix with streaming, etc.

/- Razorfold said,
..
And yeh Android's customization is great, if you're a geek. I'm willing to bet you that anyone who isn't and has an Android will just be using what came with the phone. They won't care / know you can install custom roms / change launchers / add in a task manager (still don't see why google hasn't made a built in one yet...) etc.

I picked up a Droid X when they were released. While at my sister's one day, she picked up my phone and started playing around with it and, even though she was waiting on the iphone to come to Verizon, she liked the Droid X so much she decided to get one herself. My sister is definitely not a geek (actually, she's probably the furthest thing from it). Last I checked she had more apps on her phone than I have on mine and had done quite a bit of customization to her phone. She has even said she's glad she didn't get the iphone due to it's lack of customization options. I think customization is more important, even to the non technically minded among us, than some would like to admit.

/- Razorfold said,
And what about live integration, zune pass, silverlight, xbox, office suite etc that Windows Phone 7 has but Android doesn't?

You can't sit down and compare like every single feature of a phone, that would just be absurd. =/ And then you have to take into account apps on each phone (pretty sure free gps nav is coming to WP7 since 6.5 had it) and that just makes things even more confusing.

I actually think WP7 will get more than 5%. And theres absolutely nothing like too late, where do people even come up with that from? It took the iPhone an entire year to get 3g, a year to get GPS, 2-3 years to get copy and paste, 3 years to get multitasking. That still did well didn't it? And sure you could have said the iPhone was late...WinMo had copy and paste back in like 2003, 3G a few years after than, GPS around the same time as 3g. And with Microsoft promising that most of the glaring omissions will be added it early 2011...that would bring WP7 upto where the iPhone and Android are.

As for music? Sure if you listen to music as much as you do then yeh...not the best of ideas. But most people don't, and for the 1 hour or so journey to and from work I'm pretty sure the battery will hold up fine (well maybe not for the HD7 since that has the smallest battery <.< )

And yeh Android's customization is great, if you're a geek. I'm willing to bet you that anyone who isn't and has an Android will just be using what came with the phone. They won't care / know you can install custom roms / change launchers / add in a task manager (still don't see why google hasn't made a built in one yet...) etc.

Good post, I agree with you. And I really don't understand the "Too late" argument. It's complete nonsense...

/- Razorfold said,
And what about live integration, zune pass, silverlight, xbox, office suite etc that Windows Phone 7 has but Android doesn't?

1. Live what?
2. Nobody uses zune pass.
3. Nobody uses sliverlight. 99% of sites out there use flash.
4. Xbox. And? The games have to be rewritten for wp7 anyway. iOS and android feature all the top games, angry birds, gameloft titles etc.
5. Office suite. There are so many office suite options for android it's hardly even worth mentioning.

I see nothing unique about wp7 sorry. On the flip side, android already has 100* the number of apps and games that wp7 has. It also has the ubiquitous flash, c&p, and many more features lacking in wp7. Not only that, but people are familar with the desktop-like paradigm android uses. For businesses that's going to be a problem.

Flawed said,

1. Live what?
2. Nobody uses zune pass.
3. Nobody uses sliverlight. 99% of sites out there use flash.
4. Xbox. And? The games have to be rewritten for wp7 anyway. iOS and android feature all the top games, angry birds, gameloft titles etc.
5. Office suite. There are so many office suite options for android it's hardly even worth mentioning.

I see nothing unique about wp7 sorry. On the flip side, android already has 100* the number of apps and games that wp7 has. It also has the ubiquitous flash, c&p, and many more features lacking in wp7. Not only that, but people are familar with the desktop-like paradigm android uses. For businesses that's going to be a problem.


1. Who uses Chrome2Phone?
2. Nobody uses Adobe AIR
3. Nobody uses 99% of the fart apps on the Android Market
4. Lousy games with no hardware acceleration
5. No build in office.

Enough with this baseless arguement from a fanboy.

Flawed said,

1. Live what?
2. Nobody uses zune pass.
3. Nobody uses sliverlight. 99% of sites out there use flash.
4. Xbox. And? The games have to be rewritten for wp7 anyway. iOS and android feature all the top games, angry birds, gameloft titles etc.
5. Office suite. There are so many office suite options for android it's hardly even worth mentioning.

I see nothing unique about wp7 sorry. On the flip side, android already has 100* the number of apps and games that wp7 has. It also has the ubiquitous flash, c&p, and many more features lacking in wp7. Not only that, but people are familar with the desktop-like paradigm android uses. For businesses that's going to be a problem.

Really? This is your thought out response?

I love my Droid, but to purposely allow yourself to remain ignorant of a platofrm becuase of your love for a phone is borderline insanity.

1) Live since Windows 7's (desktop) release is a key part of the cloud experience very central to having a transparent experience from computer to computer and now even computer to phone.

2) Been a ZunePass user for a long time. For my $15 a month I can access virtually every song in the world, and get a MP3 version of 10 of them a month (in the USA). I have had friends give away their iPod touch devices and grab the ZuneHD just for the Zune Pass and having access to the latest albums without dropping a ton of money at the Apple store or having to pirate them.

3) Really? Nobody uses Silverlight? Um, you need to research this a bit. Besides, Silverlight is what the main application model of the WP7 is based, on. So all the non-game apps and cool animations and UI of the entire OS is all Silverlight.

4) Top Games, really? Sure there are some great games for iOS and Android, but with the GPU requirement WP7 has, things are going to change a lot in the phone market, leaving both iOS and Android behind for a year or so. There are only a couple of Android phones that have the GPU power WP7 requires, and even then, it is not accessible from Android, as you can only use OpenGL ES, which is a vast jump from the XNA and DX9c features WP7 provides to developers. Titles developed in XNA for the XBox Live Indie market can quite easily be ported to the WP7, and hundreds of them already have been. A WP7 phone can in theory push out graphics that a PS2 couldn't, go look up WP7 graphic engine demos, seriously. (Here I will give you the first one my search returned: http://wmpoweruser.com/zombie-...hone-7-3d-engine-in-action/ ) This demo is using features that require a PS3 or XBox 360 level of graphics to perform, and this is running on a WP7 phone.

5) So many Office suites for the Android, really? Cause from the market on my phones, there is crap and semi-crap at best. Even getting a document to display on an Android is a trick, let alone having the ability to edit and/or do collaborative presentations, etc.

Right now there are Apps sitting on the Zune/WP7 market that would be impossible to develop to work on the Android. And this is not only in the APIs, and techncial hardware requirements, but even in the built in codec licensing and other tools that WP7 offers developers that Google will probably never be able to due to the way Android is designed and the licensing requirements.

If you were a developer or understood the technical platform difference between the two devices, you would not be so easy to dismiss WP7.

Android is great, but WP7 is a serious challenger, not just a 'me too', but a device that is technically a generation ahead of what iOS and Android are capable of today.

day2die said,

1. Who uses Chrome2Phone?
2. Nobody uses Adobe AIR
3. Nobody uses 99% of the fart apps on the Android Market
4. Lousy games with no hardware acceleration
5. No build in office.

Enough with this baseless arguement from a fanboy.

1: More than 250,000 downloads of Chrome2Phone on the Android market suggests plenty of people do

2: Adobe Air has between 50,000 and 250,000 downloads on Android, so i'd call your bluff on that one as well

3: The same can be said for any OS market, but the Android market has plenty of normal applications as well. In fact it's the Apple store that has the highest concentration of fart apps

4: Wrong again, there are some Android games with hardware acceleration.

5: No smartphone has built in office, but there are plenty of free apps on the Android market that will read and edit most document types.

Subject Delta said,

1: More than 250,000 downloads of Chrome2Phone on the Android market suggests plenty of people do.....


I know that. My point is that I am using satire to reply to Flawed

I wonder.. on what points did you select "Video Winner"? there isn't a single mention of android's video capabilities in there... other than that it's allright I guess. I'm still waiting for some sort of desktop client to manage my phone that's actually decent (open to suggestions). I'm still secretly hoping for some web/cloud-based miracle.

Knaarfje said,
I wonder.. on what points did you select "Video Winner"? there isn't a single mention of android's video capabilities in there... other than that it's allright I guess. I'm still waiting for some sort of desktop client to manage my phone that's actually decent (open to suggestions). I'm still secretly hoping for some web/cloud-based miracle.

The video winner has to do with codecs supported and hardware acceleration of the video codecs being standard on WP7. Like the ZuneHD, you can throw a lot of formats to the phone, without conversion in most cases, and the phone just naturally takes care of hardware acceleration.

With Android you have Rockplayer or in the past had to encode the video to the camera recording supported formats.

With W7 Phone and ZuneHD you can take everything from Windows Media Center, to various WMV (VC1) codecs to even XVid and not have to think twice about playing them on the device or needing a special player.

This is a big thing, and also extends to the audio codecs supported out of the box.

thenetavenger said,
With Android you have Rockplayer or in the past had to encode the video to the camera recording supported formats.

Erm, no. Rockplayer is not part of Android. So with Android you have nothing more than the stock Android video player which, lets be honest, sucks.

This isn't a review of third party apps. It's a review of the OS.

TCLN Ryster said,

Erm, no. Rockplayer is not part of Android. So with Android you have nothing more than the stock Android video player which, lets be honest, sucks.

This isn't a review of third party apps. It's a review of the OS.

Um, yes, that is why I said it was a separate App.

Android has NO codec support for most audio and video formats, and even in 3rd party apps, there are few selections that support the more popular formats.

Before the mentioned 'rockplayer' virtually everything had to be converted to a crappy format to even play on Android devices.

In contrast, WP7 supports 99% of the codecs in use for audio and video IN THE OS, meaning videos and audio will just naturally play, and applications can also use the codecs for playing content as well.

http://wmpoweruser.com/updates...ed-xvid-and-divx-supported/

Not sure why you are splitting hairs, as I was essentially making the same point as your post.

Great review...would have been better though coming from a Joe schmoe off the street who has never used a smartphone before. Unbiased reviews are what we need.

Windows7even said,
Great review...would have been better though coming from a Joe schmoe off the street who has never used a smartphone before. Unbiased reviews are what we need.

So, now unbiased = uneducated?

From Mirriam-Webster.com:
free from bias; especially : free from all prejudice and favoritism : eminently fair <an unbiased opinion>

Windows7even said,
Great review...would have been better though coming from a Joe schmoe off the street who has never used a smartphone before. Unbiased reviews are what we need.

A review from someone with no Smartphone experience would be useless, everything to that person would be "awesome" or "the sux" as they fumbled their way around.

bob_c_b said,

A review from someone with no Smartphone experience would be useless, everything to that person would be "awesome" or "the sux" as they fumbled their way around.


or...

BUT ITS NOT AN IPHONE, RIGHT?

Odd about Domino's Pizza not working and requiring flash. I can order using my iPhone which obviously doesn't support flash. I guess all Dominos needs to do is update their site on detecting the WP7 IE browser so it displays the correct site.

EDIT: Just noticed the authors Dominos URL is not the US one that I'm using so that can be a factor.

Wish I waited for WP7 tbh. Im not all that impressed with Android. Maybe I just feel spoilt coming from iOS.

SK[ said,]Wish I waited for WP7 tbh. Im not all that impressed with Android. Maybe I just feel spoilt coming from iOS.

That's how I felt after buying a Android device.

Owen W said,

That's how I felt after buying a Android device.

So you are in love with WP7 and felt unimpressed with Android.? How can you write an accurate non biased review? Its like me writing an Apple vs Android review/comparison.

techbeck said,

So you are in love with WP7 and felt unimpressed with Android.? How can you write an accurate non biased review? Its like me writing an Apple vs Android review/comparison.

Did he NOT say that this is his experience? Unless you are looking for a factual artical that says this has this this and this, you will not find an article that says this is better because of this this and this unless it's from that person's experience, and therefore not factual. He made an educated article, meaning that he used both platforms and for a meaningful amount of time.

Zedox said,

Did he NOT say that this is his experience? Unless you are looking for a factual artical that says this has this this and this, you will not find an article that says this is better because of this this and this unless it's from that person's experience, and therefore not factual. He made an educated article, meaning that he used both platforms and for a meaningful amount of time.

+1

techbeck said,

So you are in love with WP7 and felt unimpressed with Android.? How can you write an accurate non biased review? Its like me writing an Apple vs Android review/comparison.


Get off your soap box. He CLEARLY stated that this was an article written on his own experiences and based on his own viewpoints. Lastly, I don't recall him saying he was "in love" with WP7.

TCLN Ryster said,

Get off your soap box. He CLEARLY stated that this was an article written on his own experiences and based on his own viewpoints. Lastly, I don't recall him saying he was "in love" with WP7.

The problem with experience based pieces like this, is that they mislead and misinform. There are plenty of phones out there that do not offer the default Android setup, and people who have no knowledge of the facts will just assume that this may well apply to all Android phones, when in reality it only applies to those with a totally stock Android setup. If this comparison had been done with a Sense based phone for example, you get a lot more out of box functionality. To be unbiased, whilst I can understand the argument behind not reviewing all the different alternatives, it is a lot fairer to point out that Android users can customise almost anything if they aren't happy with what comes as stock, as it will be more helpful in letting people make an informed decision.

Judging smartphone OS by the available applications would be pointless. If you say that Android is better because you can download this or that app, the point will be moot when the same app is ported to WP7. Given how easy is to develop for WP7, it is expected that most apps, will be ported, so in a way, just like with the XNA games, WP7 is expected to have better games and apps faster than other platforms, since MS development tools are the most well known and easier to use in the market.

Meph said,
It would be interesting if this was done again in a years time when new features have been added to WP7.

I'll keep that in mind, definitely.

Meph said,
It would be interesting if this was done again in a years time when new features have been added to WP7.

I agree. It's quite clear that Microsoft has some big plans for the upcoming OS updates... God only knows what will change in the OS just in the first update or two...

IMHO if you are looking for out-of-the-box experience then go with iPhone, if you looking for do-whatever-you-want phone then choose Android and last but not least, WM7 lands in the middle between those two.

I think this the first review where someone has said the browser isn't good =/ Engadget said it was quite pleasant to use with only flash / silverlight integration lacking. And we know flash is coming soon with Adobe getting 10.1 ready for it. Silverlight, we'll see.

/- Razorfold said,
I think this the first review where someone has said the browser isn't good =/ Engadget said it was quite pleasant to use with only flash / silverlight integration lacking. And we know flash is coming soon with Adobe getting 10.1 ready for it. Silverlight, we'll see.

Well aside from Flash (which can be installed), the fonts for the pages look pretty messed up I hope other browsers become available quickly because I plan on getting a WP7.

Neobond said,

Well aside from Flash (which can be installed), the fonts for the pages look pretty messed up I hope other browsers become available quickly because I plan on getting a WP7.

Well yeh thats what I mean: from what it seems like...its quite noticeable haha.

However, all the reviews seem to agree that the major bad bit is no flash. GSMArena brings up that theres no text reflow and theres some color banding issues.

So unless its just a website issue, it seems a bit odd that none of the other sites that reviewed WP7 noticed this font problem =/

/- Razorfold said,
I think this the first review where someone has said the browser isn't good =/ Engadget said it was quite pleasant to use with only flash / silverlight integration lacking. And we know flash is coming soon with Adobe getting 10.1 ready for it. Silverlight, we'll see.

Yes I noticed that too. The consensus seems to be that the browser is generally fast, renders well and is pleasant to use. I wonder what went wrong for this review that other reviewers haven't encountered?

Most other reviews also point out that pinch to zoom is infinitely smoother on WP7 than Android.

/- Razorfold said,

Well yeh thats what I mean: from what it seems like...its quite noticeable haha.

However, all the reviews seem to agree that the major bad bit is no flash. GSMArena brings up that theres no text reflow and theres some color banding issues.

So unless its just a website issue, it seems a bit odd that none of the other sites that reviewed WP7 noticed this font problem =/


Yeah, I don't really know. I just wrote my experience, it might be different on other sites.

Android displays Neowin just like a desktop browser, but, Windows Phone 7 for some reason makes random bits of text larger. I'm not exactly sure if this is by design, but it definitely makes no sense.

actually, wp7 doesn't makes random bits of text larger, it detects what parts of the page may be textual content (like an article body and its title), and makes that part bigger so that the user don't have to zoom once the page is loaded to read the textual content that interest him.

it's a very smart design, but obviously on pages that exhibits only a list of hyperlink (like reddit), the content detection fails to detect that there is no particular content on this page to emphasize, and it zooms one of the hyperlinks, which doesn't have much meaning.

otherwise, on most sites like neowin, the smart zooming feature works really great. As opposite, android does nothing to make the page more readable when it is zoomed out.

link8506 said,

otherwise, on most sites like neowin, the smart zooming feature works really great. As opposite, android does nothing to make the page more readable when it is zoomed out.

Is there an option to disable the "smart zooming" feature?

/- Razorfold said,
I think this the first review where someone has said the browser isn't good =/ Engadget said it was quite pleasant to use with only flash / silverlight integration lacking. And we know flash is coming soon with Adobe getting 10.1 ready for it. Silverlight, we'll see.

Yeah, I thought that was interesting too. I had not heard that complaint. Not only that, but in the emulator I have not seen any sites rendering strangely like that either... I hope that Microsoft fixes this issue though, as it seems a little hit or miss maybe? Very odd. I'm sure they're still working on improving Mobile IE too...

link8506 said,

actually, wp7 doesn't makes random bits of text larger, it detects what parts of the page may be textual content (like an article body and its title), and makes that part bigger so that the user don't have to zoom once the page is loaded to read the textual content that interest him.

it's a very smart design, but obviously on pages that exhibits only a list of hyperlink (like reddit), the content detection fails to detect that there is no particular content on this page to emphasize, and it zooms one of the hyperlinks, which doesn't have much meaning.

otherwise, on most sites like neowin, the smart zooming feature works really great. As opposite, android does nothing to make the page more readable when it is zoomed out.

That does sound very smart. No doubt something that Microsoft will continue to refine as they release updates for the OS...

Neobond said,

Well aside from Flash (which can be installed), the fonts for the pages look pretty messed up I hope other browsers become available quickly because I plan on getting a WP7.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was the fault of the sites. Presenting the WP7 browser with a different code set and CSS because they detect Internet Explorer. In the most part IE doesn't need those custom HTML and CSS files now and will actually not display them correctly when in standards mode. I assume the mobile version on WP7 is the same?

TCLN Ryster said,

It wouldn't surprise me if this was the fault of the sites. Presenting the WP7 browser with a different code set and CSS because they detect Internet Explorer. In the most part IE doesn't need those custom HTML and CSS files now and will actually not display them correctly when in standards mode. I assume the mobile version on WP7 is the same?

The IE in WP7 renders pages using IE7 (except for some things, such as JavaScript, which are rendered using IE8 code). So... if those custom files are used for IE7, chances are that they'll need to be used for the IE Mobile.

Neobond said,
Great review

Great review indeed. I was leaning toward getting an Android phone when it came time to replace my BlackBerry but this review series has made me seriously think about WP7. I'm still going to keep my iPhone though. LOL

I think the customizability will come to WP7 in time though not as much as Android. And the apps will be ported over as well. I think now we'll see it get much more difficult for Android because both the iPhone and WP7 have a very loyal desktop following and having your mobile device seamlessly integrate with your desktop experience is a HUGE advantage. Google cannot replicate this experience.

asdavis10 said,

Great review indeed. I was leaning toward getting an Android phone when it came time to replace my BlackBerry but this review series has made me seriously think about WP7. I'm still going to keep my iPhone though. LOL

I think the customizability will come to WP7 in time though not as much as Android. And the apps will be ported over as well. I think now we'll see it get much more difficult for Android because both the iPhone and WP7 have a very loyal desktop following and having your mobile device seamlessly integrate with your desktop experience is a HUGE advantage. Google cannot replicate this experience.

I agree, and Microsoft is VERY committed to WP7, so who knows what they have planned for the future updates too. I think they're going to be very aggressive. And the app community is definitely going to be huge too. I'm getting a WP7 device once it comes to Verizon...

While I understand these series of comparisons where based on the default user experience, I still think they are somewhat misleading. The fact is, every single one of these "advantages" can be countered (and bested) by a third-party application on Android.

jobarr said,
While I understand these series of comparisons where based on the default user experience, I still think they are somewhat misleading. The fact is, every single one of these "advantages" can be countered (and bested) by a third-party application on Android.

Yeah but the emphasis of the articles clearly state "out of the box" experience. So it isn't misleading at all.

I can also improve my iPhone 3 experience by jalibreaking and installing 3rd party software, but that isn't for everyone.

Neobond said,

Yeah but the emphasis of the articles clearly state "out of the box" experience.

I know, I noted that in my comment. The "out of box" experience of Android also includes the ability to change default functionality in ways that no other platform can. Leaving that out is what I mean by "misleading".

jobarr said,

I know, I noted that in my comment. The "out of box" experience of Android also includes the ability to change default functionality in ways that no other platform can. Leaving that out is what I mean by "misleading".

I agree, the out of the box experience allows you this and is simple (my girlfriend can manage it therefore it must be!) whereas Jailbreaking an iPhone is a more complex advanced user option.

Still, great articles, I enjoyed finding out a bit more about WP7

Neobond said,

Yeah but the emphasis of the articles clearly state "out of the box" experience. So it isn't misleading at all.

You say this, but Owen looked at WP7 Mobile application which he had to download...

Neobond said,

Yeah but the emphasis of the articles clearly state "out of the box" experience. So it isn't misleading at all.

I can also improve my iPhone 3 experience by jalibreaking and installing 3rd party software, but that isn't for everyone.

Seeing as almost all smartphone users install apps, I am struggling to see how you concluded that

jobarr said,

I know, I noted that in my comment. The "out of box" experience of Android also includes the ability to change default functionality in ways that no other platform can. Leaving that out is what I mean by "misleading".

Sure, you can download 3rd-party apps to fix the things that Android was rubbish at but the point is that, in most cases, you don't need to rely on 3rd-parties to fix core OS features if you choose WP7. I'm not going to buy a phone based on how easy it is to fix, I just want it to work first time.

jakem1 said,

Sure, you can download 3rd-party apps to fix the things that Android was rubbish at but the point is that, in most cases, you don't need to rely on 3rd-parties to fix core OS features if you choose WP7.

The fact that these core OS features can be REPLACED is very important and powerful feature that should not be overlooked. Your phone might be great and work fine the first time you turn it on, but what will you do when you want something different? With Android, you don't even have to jailbreak or go as far as buying a new phone. Just download something off the Market! Or you could install it from a third-party market or even from some regular old website - another thing neither iPhone or WP7 can do since you can't sideload!

jbrooksuk said,

You say this, but Owen looked at WP7 Mobile application which he had to download...

Only the Facebook one, no others.

jobarr said,

The fact that these core OS features can be REPLACED is very important and powerful feature that should not be overlooked. Your phone might be great and work fine the first time you turn it on, but what will you do when you want something different? With Android, you don't even have to jailbreak or go as far as buying a new phone. Just download something off the Market! Or you could install it from a third-party market or even from some regular old website - another thing neither iPhone or WP7 can do since you can't sideload!

Again, the average user doesn't want to send that time fixings things that should already work in the operating system! They want it to "just work"

jobarr said,

The fact that these core OS features can be REPLACED is very important and powerful feature that should not be overlooked. Your phone might be great and work fine the first time you turn it on, but what will you do when you want something different? With Android, you don't even have to jailbreak or go as far as buying a new phone. Just download something off the Market! Or you could install it from a third-party market or even from some regular old website - another thing neither iPhone or WP7 can do since you can't sideload!

I agree with you but I think this is a nice to have rather than a necessity. If a core feature does the job well then I won't need to replace it. Also, Android failed this comparison because the core feaures weren't up to scratch. There's a difference between replacing a feature because your bored with it vs replacing it because it's not good enough.

Neobond said,

Yeah but the emphasis of the articles clearly state "out of the box" experience. So it isn't misleading at all.

I can also improve my iPhone 3 experience by jalibreaking and installing 3rd party software, but that isn't for everyone.


While I certainly agree that excluding options that require jailbreaking, rooting, and/or custom ROMs is reasonable (and in fact preferred) the fact is that there is no standard "out of the box" experience for Android. Both the iPhone and Windows 7 Phone have standard "out of the box" experiences because the platforms are tightly controlled but Android does not. What is "out of the box" for Android? What google includes? Most phones purchased by a consumer do NOT have this "out of the box" experience if that is the case. Each phone manufacturer customizes the experience and then each carrier potentionally futher modifies it. As a result any app availble in the Google app store (ie not only via side loading) that does not require root or a custom ROM should be considered valid for an "out of the box" comparison of the Android platform as a whole. Otherwise it should simply be a comparison between a specific android phone and what comes on it and WP7.

geoken said,
What's the best Android video player? The one you guys think he should have used in the comparison instead?

Rockplayer.

jobarr said,
While I understand these series of comparisons where based on the default user experience, I still think they are somewhat misleading. The fact is, every single one of these "advantages" can be countered (and bested) by a third-party application on Android.

Really? What third party application can best the XBox Live Integration? How about the Zune features? If he had installed 3rd party software on the WP7 to compare to Android, would everyone then be complaining about that? Where do you draw the line? If it doesn't ship with the OS, it's never going to be in a review... And I would expect the same for WP7 apps...

M_Lyons10 said,

Really? What third party application can best the XBox Live Integration? How about the Zune features? If he had installed 3rd party software on the WP7 to compare to Android, would everyone then be complaining about that? Where do you draw the line? If it doesn't ship with the OS, it's never going to be in a review... And I would expect the same for WP7 apps...


I concur. This was a comparison of the Android and Windows Phone 7 operating systems. Not a review of applications that have been written for Android over the years. Give Windows Phone 7 a couple of years and I'm sure it too will have apps available that will best all the good features of Android.

Everyone here complaining that the review doesn't take into account Android apps is just butthurt that the Android OS itself and its core features are inferior to Windows Phone 7 and its core features. Apps are irrelevant in that debate.

jobarr said,
While I understand these series of comparisons where based on the default user experience, I still think they are somewhat misleading. The fact is, every single one of these "advantages" can be countered (and bested) by a third-party application on Android.

So what. What if I said that a lot of shortcomming in Windows Phone 7 can be fixed by third parties?

jobarr said,

I know, I noted that in my comment. The "out of box" experience of Android also includes the ability to change default functionality in ways that no other platform can. Leaving that out is what I mean by "misleading".

Dude your point is moot.