Crap articles and moderators...

[Hum]

I don't see the need to make comments, if you don't find something interesting or useful.

Just move on.

Negative posts are not going to influence the OP to stop posting.

Readers should remember that there is a wide variety of people and beliefs in the world.

What you think is not 'news worthy', may be interesting and delightful to someone else.

I could point to a 100 topics that are simply a bore to me, including some 'Tech' news.

I just ignore those.

I don't worry about every little grammar & spelling mistake, either.

It's the Internet -- as long as you can reasonably get your thoughts across, that is all that counts. ;)

[Steven P. Administrators]

Inline links aren't all that obvious, and that is fixed with the update which is coming in July :)

Plus we require a source for all news stories, and I would like to see examples of where it isn't included.

There's also no point in explaining how news works, because I'd just give an example of any news channel, that breaks news (on all different networks) they don't say that x network broke it first :p They just do their own take on it, this is also how it works on the internet, but we at least do source it where applicable.

[Julius Caro]

Inline links aren't all that obvious, and that is fixed with the update which is coming in July :)

Plus we require a source for all news stories, and I would like to see examples of where it isn't included.

There's also no point in explaining how news works, because I'd just give an example of any news channel, that breaks news (on all different networks) they don't say that x network broke it first :p They just do their own take on it, this is also how it works on the internet, but we at least do source it where applicable.

I was referring about the news a few months back of a unpatched SMS bug in android. A bug for which there was a bug report that remain unsolved for MONTHS. Some day, cnet or zdnet or whatever decided to publish a story on this. They thanked an email tipster for bringing up the issue. Two days later, engadget publishes the story, correctly citing both the bug report page and the outlet that originally reported the story.

Two days later, neowin publishes the story, but they only linked the original bug report. Pretty much every other news blog cited proper sources, but not neowin.

That's the kind of improper citing I'm talking about. It was as if neowin tried to pass the news as original, as there was NO chance in hell the author would have been aware of the issue if it wasnt for the original stories. No wonder people complain that neowin copies articles from engadget. Sometimes it's inevitable to have similar or nearly identical news articles, when they are the result of press releases, event covering, announcements and such; this wasn't the case.

[Steven P. Administrators]

I was referring about the news a few months back of a unpatched SMS bug in android. A bug for which there was a bug report that remain unsolved for MONTHS. Some day, cnet or zdnet or whatever decided to publish a story on this. They thanked an email tipster for bringing up the issue. Two days later, engadget publishes the story, correctly citing both the bug report page and the outlet that originally reported the story.

Two days later, neowin publishes the story, but they only linked the original bug report. Pretty much every other news blog cited proper sources, but not neowin.

That's the kind of improper citing I'm talking about. It was as if neowin tried to pass the news as original, as there was NO chance in hell the author would have been aware of the issue if it wasnt for the original stories. No wonder people complain that neowin copies articles from engadget. Sometimes it's inevitable to have similar or nearly identical news articles, when they are the result of press releases, event covering, announcements and such; this wasn't the case.

One or two examples doesn't mean it happens all the time, and that is what the report button is for, believe me when I say that we send items back (before they are published) for this very issue to news staff!

[ArKeYa]

I've been on both sides of the fence. The guys at Neowin do a good job and for no charge to you. I have posted comments (since I stepped down as admin) and some have been removed and yes it's frustrating for these to be removed as an ordinary member. I've also witnessed people bomb my stories at Neowin with stupid comments and that's even more annoying. No-one likes criticism but it's always best to take it on the chin and move along.

That's how it should be. Let errors, inaccuracies, etc be pointed put in the open. Maybe in the future the author will learn from it and make better articles. As it stands now, it looks like the authors are sensitive or you are babying them.

You said you don't want things/topic to go out of hand. Well there are moderators for that. Delete offending posts(not the first post of criticism btw) if and when it gets out of hand, not before it.

[jbrooksuk]

One or two examples doesn't mean it happens all the time, and that is what the report button is for, believe me when I say that we send items back (before they are published) for this very issue to news staff!

Is somebody in denial?

You ask for an example, then once you're given it you throw up an excuse? Typical.

Creative feedback; I'm starting to read other news websites because more than half of the articles posted here in recent months, either aren't news worthy or are late to the game and I've already been told about them. Not to mention the quality and lack of citations also mentioned in this thread.

[Tews]

Creative feedback; I'm starting to read other news websites because more than half of the articles posted here in recent months, either aren't news worthy or are late to the game and I've already been told about them. Not to mention the quality and lack of citations also mentioned in this thread.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out ... :shiftyninja:

[what]

Since they hired that full time guy the articles have got much better. Not perfect and no consistency in the topics that are covered but then that all depends on where the news is on a particular day.

I can understand why comments criticising small spelling mistakes or whatever might be deleted, as there is a report feature for that. However, the comment box is for people to add their opinions to a story, and no one can be expected to comment on an article that is glaringly factually incorrect.

[Julius Caro]

One or two examples doesn't mean it happens all the time, and that is what the report button is for, believe me when I say that we send items back (before they are published) for this very issue to news staff!

I did use the report function, providing links to the original sources. The article wasn't changed. Additionally, I pointed it out in the comments, again providing a link to the original story. Please notice how the bug remained open for SIX months. Zdnet broke the story, adding this at the end "Thanks to @jonhoneyball for the heads-up on this bug.". Then engadged echoed the notice, CITING zdnet. Neowin reporting the news cannot be attributed to a simple coincidence.

https://www.neowin.net/news/android-bug-playing-russian-roulette-with-text-messages

The article starts "android users are fuming over...". Notice how someone comments "we are?", and someone replies "I didnt know about this until I saw it on engadget today". Other users comment "why is this being reported now when the bug has been open for six months" (the answer, btw, was becuase zdnet and engadget helped raise awareness of the issue and should have therefore been credited).

So excuse me if I don't believe the report button works.

[Vice]

I've been on both sides of the fence. The guys at Neowin do a good job and for no charge to you. I have posted comments (since I stepped down as admin) and some have been removed and yes it's frustrating for these to be removed as an ordinary member. I've also witnessed people bomb my stories at Neowin with stupid comments and that's even more annoying. No-one likes criticism but it's always best to take it on the chin and move along.

I remember when you deleted my comment and gave me a warn because I questioned why a story was newsworthy. :laugh:

"This was posted on the main page because?" was my comment. It was a pretty newsless news item. And er 5 other people posted same message after I did..

You guys just can't take criticism, just like Gizmodo and Joystiq which delete user comments on their news posts. Although you guys warn and they go even further and delete your whole account.

[Colin-uk Veteran]

they go even further and delete your whole account.

and people think we're strict :laugh:

[Teebor]

The Ctrl-Alt-Del moderators are the worst I've ever seen, you can post an identical topic to one that already exists and get told off and a temp ban for creating duplicate topics even if that other topic falls outside their "necro post limit"

But if you then post in that thread which they then deem to be necro posting you get banned as well, even if a thread is literally just a few hours over their necro limit.

Then of course you can't actually criticise their allmighty leader who writes the pretty unfunny comics, for that you get banned.

Yeah so you won't hear many complaints from me about this place :D

[Tzvi Friedman Veteran]

I did use the report function, providing links to the original sources. The article wasn't changed. Additionally, I pointed it out in the comments, again providing a link to the original story. Please notice how the bug remained open for SIX months. Zdnet broke the story, adding this at the end "Thanks to @jonhoneyball for the heads-up on this bug.". Then engadged echoed the notice, CITING zdnet. Neowin reporting the news cannot be attributed to a simple coincidence.

https://www.neowin.net/news/android-bug-playing-russian-roulette-with-text-messages

The article starts "android users are fuming over...". Notice how someone comments "we are?", and someone replies "I didnt know about this until I saw it on engadget today". Other users comment "why is this being reported now when the bug has been open for six months" (the answer, btw, was becuase zdnet and engadget helped raise awareness of the issue and should have therefore been credited).

So excuse me if I don't believe the report button works.

I went back and found the report you're referring to. It was addressed, and the author said he was working off his own email source who was having the same issue and linked him to the relevant bug report/thread. He therefore saw no need to change the article, and that decision was upheld. If you disagree with that decision, I'm sorry you feel that away, but that's ultimately an editorial decision and we will follow our own established guidelines and policies when those situations arise.

This brings us back to a previous point someone mentioned, that of not getting notified when the issue is addressed. Once again, I guess this is possible down the line, but the vast vast majority of responses will be "fix'd", which doesn't really help anybody.

[Azusa]

and people think we're strict :laugh:

But you're becoming slack...

[Julius Caro]

I went back and found the report you're referring to. It was addressed, and the author said he was working off his own email source who was having the same issue and linked him to the relevant bug report/thread. He therefore saw no need to change the article, and that decision was upheld. If you disagree with that decision, I'm sorry you feel that away, but that's ultimately an editorial decision and we will follow our own established guidelines and policies when those situations arise.

And did the source mention how he ended up in the bug report? 6 months the bug goes unnoticed and neowin reports it HOURS after its published on engadget. Way too much of a coincidence, but of course, if the author claims otherwise...

[Tzvi Friedman Veteran]

And did the source mention how he ended up in the bug report? 6 months the bug goes unnoticed and neowin reports it HOURS after its published on engadget. Way too much of a coincidence, but of course, if the author claims otherwise...

So, let me get this straight. We start with the original news-maker, a bug report. That bug report sits around for a while until a twitter user tweets about it 6 months later and ZDnet happens to be following that user. ZDnet reports it. The next day, the same exact thing happens. We get an email tip from a member who says that he saw this bug report, provides a link, and we report on it.

So, you're telling me that when a report is submitted that says we should have cited ZDnet because they saw it first, even though we found out about it the same exact way they did , that we should revise our post to reflect information that isn't even correct.

It isn't about giving credit to the bigger sites because they reach more people, it's about reporting news and making sure that you aren't making stuff up. Both chains of sources end up at the same place, so i really don't see the problem here.

Either way, I'm not going to try to convince you that you're wrong. The point is that the report was submitted, it was looked at, considered, and we decided not to change it. That's really all that anybody can reasonably accept to happen.

[neufuse Veteran]

I say ban anyone who complains :laugh:

[Soulsiphon]

The only comments that get deleted are the obvious troll ones, people who comment in Apple articles and clearly dislike the company should imo be banned for it outright, because it serves no purpose and usually makes the person look stupid.

Oh and most of the time those comments are (quite correctly) reported by other readers too.

If theres a problem with an article, you can use the report link.

As I see no actual examples here, I'll leave it at that! :)

In fairness, the couple of times I've been 'excused' for some comments here, it was totally warranted :)