Noise Prompts Pennsylvania Restaurant to Ban Kids Under 6

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MONROEVILLE, PA -- A restaurant in western Pennsylvania says it's no longer allowing children under age 6.

McDain's Restaurant and Golf Center in Monroeville says the new policy will take effect July 16.

Restaurant owner Mike Vuick said there's "nothing wrong with babies, but the fact is you can't control their volume." He said all that screaming and crying disturbs many of his customers.

Some restaurant customers said they support Vuick's right to set rules that he thinks are best for his business. But others said they're offended by the policy.

Vuick said that children might be the center of their parents' universe, as it should be. But he says they're not the center of everyone else's universe too.

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[P!P]

I really don't see a problem with this. It's a restaurant at a golf course. It's not like it's family restaurant or anything. I would not mind seeing some restaurants that are more for adults ban kids under 6 or 12. Most kids are fine but some parents just let their kids yell or roam free.

[cleverclogs]

Kids should be locked up out of sight in a soundproof room!

[Hum]

duct tape :shifty:

[KingCrimson]

This is blatant discrimination against small wailing children.

[Order_66]

One of the reasons I hate eating out is because of all the screaming and moaning coming from children, it's not the fault of the child though but the fault of the parents for not taking the time to learn how to control their children, if you can't control them then don't bring them!

Restaurants should have a right to deny service or bar people altogether from their restaurant as they see fit if they see the children running and screaming like a bunch of wild animals.

[KingCrimson]

One of the reasons I hate eating out is because of all the screaming and moaning coming from children, it's not the fault of the child though but the fault of the parents for not taking the time to learn how to control their children, if you can't control them then don't bring them!

Restaurants should have a right to deny service or bar people altogether from their restaurant as they see fit if they see the children running and screaming like a bunch of wild animals.

I feel that parents who bring their screaming brood to a restaurant are simply inflicting it on everyone else. They figure why should only they put up with it all day long? The same thing about women who fly with screaming babies on airplanes. IT's like - WHY?

[NoLiMiT06]

duct tape :shifty:

LMAO, I think next time I go out to eat I will carry a roll and offer it to the first screaming kid I see. :laugh:

[KingCrimson]

The thing is if you even look at the parents the wrong way they make you out to be the biggest evil person on the planet. Their screaming brood is sacred.

[remixedcat]

I've heard also of terrible things Buffets inc did to a breastfeeding mother by kicking her out of old country buffet! baby's gotta eat too. most BF moms are discreet and nice about it and then some perv that shouldn't be looking at a BF mom for long enough to be annoyed complains and starts ****. Bob Evans did this **** too. and most places are big enough for if people don't like what they see they can move to another table..

and people want the BF moms to go to the bathroom instead.... but there's so many germs and bad things there... would you wanna eat in a bathroom? hell no.

[Cheatyface]

The thing is all it does is alienate their potential customers... lots of people have kids and you can't avoid it. Why sacrifice your business at that expense? I can understand if the place was upper scale and required reservations and served a full bar of alcohol...

but a regular golf course restaurant isn't that big of a deal.

I've heard also of terrible things Buffets inc did to a breastfeeding mother by kicking her out of old country buffet! baby's gotta eat too. moist BF moms are discreet and nice about it and then some perv that shouldn't be looking at a BF mom for long enough to be annoyed complains and starts ****. Bob Evans did this **** too. and most places are big enough for if people don't like what they see they can move to another table..

It also draws in people looking for a place to eat free of small screaming brats. The trade off is more than worth it. If people can't keep their brats under control, tough ****. For that matter why should others have to be inconvenienced by having to move from their table to another in order to accommodate parents who won't parent?

[remixedcat]

That place isn't even all that upscale...

upscale places I can understand though... where you pay 50USD+ for a steak or 25USD+ for a pasta dinner it's upscale... but that place's prices are average and the atmoshere is average...

[DocM]

Would you ban people with Tourettes Syndrome because of their verbalisms? How about banning those who are hard of hearing and tend to speak loudly? And the gals perfumed so heavily it knocks you over? What if they're black? Muslim?

The point is that accommodation and tolerance cuts both ways. If you don?t like it, stay home. In this case, it might even be illegal under federal non-discrimination law, specifically age discrimination.

The age portion of the law was written with seniors in mind, but IIRC doesn't limit its scope one way or the other - if the business is open to the public (not a private club) it doesnt matter if the discrimination is racist, sexist or ageist.

[P!P]

In this case, it might even be illegal under federal non-discrimination law, specifically age discrimination.

Which non-discrimination law are you referring to? As far as I know, privately-owned businesses are free to decide who they allow to patronize their establishments.

[Cheatyface]

Would you ban people with Tourettes Syndrome because of their verbalisms? How about banning those who are hard of hearing and tend to speak loudly? How about the gals perfumed so heavily it knocks you over?

The point is that accommodation and tolerance cuts both ways. If you don?t like it, stay home. In this case, it might even be illegal under federal non-discrimination law, specifically age discrimination.

There's a huge difference between parents who won't take their kids outside til they calm down and people with disabilities. As for the perfume thing, yes, I would ban them and men who over use cologne. Show me where it's illegal for restaurants to set minimum ages? Places all over the country have been doing it for years now for the same reason. I'm sorry, but *I* shouldn't have to stay home because parents of small children feel the need to let their kids act like monkeys in a restaurant, *they* should. Go get a babysitter or find someplace else to eat.

[remixedcat]

people with tourettes can't help thier outbursts as much as babies can't help thier crying!

[Cheatyface]

people with tourettes can't help thier outbursts as much as babies can't help thier crying!

Again with the ludicrous comparison... the person with tourettes is covered by law. The baby is not. Mom or dad can take it outside til it calms down and not disturb all the other diners but they'd rather get ****y when people say something.

[+Warwagon MVC]

THANK YOU!!!!!!! Around the age of 6 is when I can start to stand them.

[Gio Takahashi]

Would you ban people with Tourettes Syndrome because of their verbalisms? How about banning those who are hard of hearing and tend to speak loudly? And the gals perfumed so heavily it knocks you over? What if they're black? Muslim?

The point is that accommodation and tolerance cuts both ways. If you don?t like it, stay home. In this case, it might even be illegal under federal non-discrimination law, specifically age discrimination.

The age portion of the law was written with seniors in mind, but IIRC doesn't limit its scope one way or the other - if the business is open to the public (not a private club) it doesnt matter if the discrimination is racist, sexist or ageist.

To be fair, there are several 'public places' bans children (obviously for good reasons!), I really don't think it's really that illegal considering it bans very young children at 6 years or younger. Also, Even though people with hard of hearing will talk louder, it's not like it's gonna be anything annoying, especially considering it IS a restaurant and it's probably gonna be a bit noisy. All but the perfume bit is something most people can't help period, because it is a lifetime thing. Crying babies isn't.

Finally, it's really silly to cry discrimination when there's a good reason. If it bother parents, hire a babysitter. Frankly, I would support this.

[+Warwagon MVC]

If they want to take their children out to eat take them to chucky cheese!!!

[mudslag]

Which non-discrimination law are you referring to? As far as I know, privately-owned businesses are free to decide who they allow to patronize their establishments.

^This. There are places all over the country with restrictions like this about little kids.

[Solid Knight]

People are offended? Offended that a business doesn't want your screaming kid inside its door?

[Hum]

How about a divided restaurant, with a sound-proof, parents-with-kids only section ....? :laugh:

Oh, and you can keep the smokers over there, too ...

[seta-san]

children should be seen, not heard.