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  • 2 months later...

New screenies (post-CPU upgrade)!

Immersive/Metro and traditional desktop still (replaced E3400 with Q6600 - no other changes).

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I don't have anything to flaunt quite just yet, but I just installed the W8DP on my main machine, in a bootable vhd finally...and WOW! My first impressions were from running it on an old dell c610 (test machine, IE10 crashed whenever I tried anything, and it was SSLLOOWW!!!) but I must say WOW. This blows the doors off of W7 by a mile!!! I find myself wanting to switch over to win8 as a full time, full blown OS :blush: although I know it's just an alpha/developer preview....but WOW! I'm not impressed...I'm BLOWN AWAY! (Asus P4P800-VM, Single core [email protected] @533Mhz FSB, 2 GB PC3200, ATI HD3650 512MB (sapphire AGP card....yes, yes, I'm way out of the loop hardware wise, but I'll take donations, lol!) I'm truly impressed!!! :woot:

edit: no, I'm not a microsoft fanboy at all, in any way, shape, or form, I believe whatever works for you works for you, whether it be the new *nix, *mac, or whatever, I'm open to anything, I just finally caved in and gave it a whirl. ;)

  • 1 month later...

A bit of a quick-snap...IE10 (desktop, not Immersive) windows with Aero Lite Glass enabled, and Outlook 2010 full-screen in the background.

(Yes - that's the Neowin Forums open in IE.)

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  • 5 weeks later...

What's the advantage of using metro?

Not as much *frou frou* on the desktop as Windows 7 (or previous versions of Windows for that matter).

Let's face it - the Windows 9x desktop and UI have gotten extremely *cluttered* over the nearly two decades they have been the focus; what Metro does is move - if not banish - a lot of the clutter.

The original Windows 95/NT4 UI and desktop were both very clean and nearly minimalist (in comparison to Program Manager in Windows/NT 3.x); however, as Windows has gotten further along, here come the add-ons and general cluttering-up of the UI (and even the Start menu). Just by replacing the Start menu with the StartScreen, it banished a crapton of clutter from the desktop (and from the UI). That is indeed one reason I compared the pre-Metro UI to a pair of comfortable shoes - the shoe owners don't really WANT to break in another pair of shoes, even though the current pair looks hideous, has worn holes through the sole (if not heel), and are about to fall apart. Most of those that have been dissing Metro actually admit to having not tried it, or - if they have - for barely a day. (It takes longer than that to break in a pair of Nike Airs.)

I have to wonder - are those that want to keep the non-Metro UI also wearing shoes about to fall apart, have overstuffed closets, and a cluttered living/office space?

Not as much *frou frou* on the desktop as Windows 7 (or previous versions of Windows for that matter).

Let's face it - the Windows 9x desktop and UI have gotten extremely *cluttered* over the nearly two decades they have been the focus; what Metro does is move - if not banish - a lot of the clutter.

The original Windows 95/NT4 UI and desktop were both very clean and nearly minimalist (in comparison to Program Manager in Windows/NT 3.x); however, as Windows has gotten further along, here come the add-ons and general cluttering-up of the UI (and even the Start menu). Just by replacing the Start menu with the StartScreen, it banished a crapton of clutter from the desktop (and from the UI). That is indeed one reason I compared the pre-Metro UI to a pair of comfortable shoes - the shoe owners don't really WANT to break in another pair of shoes, even though the current pair looks hideous, has worn holes through the sole (if not heel), and are about to fall apart. Most of those that have been dissing Metro actually admit to having not tried it, or - if they have - for barely a day. (It takes longer than that to break in a pair of Nike Airs.)

I have to wonder - are those that want to keep the non-Metro UI also wearing shoes about to fall apart, have overstuffed closets, and a cluttered living/office space?

Maybe Im still not getting it or I just havent played with metro enough to grasp it fully. I hardly ever use the start button, 98% of the programs I use are sitting in my task bar. My desktop is pretty much empty. I just dont see the need to have a separate screen to launch everything. Specially when you have to take the extra step to get to the metro screen to find the program you want to launch. To me that seems like unnecessary clutter but again maybe Im missing the bigger picture.

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Maybe Im still not getting it or I just havent played with metro enough to grasp it fully. I hardly ever use the start button, 98% of the programs I use are sitting in my task bar. My desktop is pretty much empty. I just dont see the need to have a separate screen to launch everything. Specially when you have to take the extra step to get to the metro screen to find the program you want to launch. To me that seems like unnecessary clutter but again maybe Im missing the bigger picture.

I was referring to the Start menu - the most despised part of Metro because it's been pruned.

Control Panel, for example, I can launch from my keyboard (no mousing around at all) - most of the addons that folks complain are missing from Metro's rudimentary menu are found in Control Panel (which is otherwise a clone of Windows 7's Control Panel, which has all the same features). My most used programs are either on my desktop (as shortcuts or QuickLaunch - which remains untouched) or, since I know the executable (as is the case with all of Office 2010) I can launch them from the Run box. It's largely why I don't use the Superbar any more (and I stopped well before the first leak of Windows 8).

So I hardly see the StartScreen at all. (In Windows 7 I hardly see the Start menu, either.)

I was referring to *Start menu clutter* - not desktop clutter.

A bit of a quick-snap...IE10 (desktop, not Immersive) windows with Aero Lite Glass enabled, and Outlook 2010 full-screen in the background.

(Yes - that's the Neowin Forums open in IE.)

Wow, I must be special, LOL! :D (j/k)

  • 2 weeks later...

I'm really holding myself back to installing the DP and not waiting for the CP. My PC has been due a reinstall for ages and its really starting to get on my nerves. 8 more day's! Will my OCD keep away for another 8 days? I hope so as I would only have to reinstall again next week

I'm really holding myself back to installing the DP and not waiting for the CP. My PC has been due a reinstall for ages and its really starting to get on my nerves. 8 more day's! Will my OCD keep away for another 8 days? I hope so as I would only have to reinstall again next week

I know what you mean, I resolved my temptation by reminding myself how unimpressive the DP is compared to 7 by installing it on my laptop instead of this PC

Time seems to make me remember bad OS's as somehow great, I install Vista and ME in VMWare now and then to fix my brain

Upgraded? You are running this as your MAIN os instead of Windows 7? Y I K E S!

Actually, not so yikes.

Remember, practically *all* the complaints about Windows developer Preview had diddly to do with application or even driver compatibility - the gripefest was centered around the (admittedly) different UI (specifically, the lack of a Start menu).

Other than niche drivers, the one application complained about (and the issue itself was not universal) was Skype.

In other words, non-Metro applications (those that had no issues in Windows 7) had no issues with the WDP, either - I, like quite a few others, had no issues with Skype. (Amazingly, the same was also true of gaming on the WDP; it was mostly as solid as, if not better than, Windows 7.)

The real issue with the WDP (and now with the WCP) is *user compatibility*.

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