official F1 World Championship 2012 Thread

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

What a chaotic race. Sergio Perez on P2 and at times close to winning this race... whoa.

[MightyJordan]

In all the commotion, I've only just realised that Senna's in 6th! :D

[ybrett23]

team orders on the sauber!!

let down

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

[Zain Adeel]

What a race... Who wouldve guessed.

9 places up for Perez AMAZING race!

Button paid for his mistake. Bad luck for MSC but i noticed that mercedes pace was really lacking.

Amazed at how well Alonso kept his cool with this car. What a race.

The McLarens are too fast. Rest of them follow and its anybodys season if it stays like this. Pretty much most of the cars are competitive.

team orders on the sauber!!

let down

yea same here .. He couldve tried but then again. the 2nd place is too sweet to risk. I guess he will get another chance maybe.

[ybrett23]

What a race... Who wouldve guessed.

9 places up for Perez AMAZING race!

Button paid for his mistake. Bad luck for MSC but i noticed that mercedes pace was really lacking.

Amazed at how well Alonso kept his cool with this car. What a race.

The McLarens are too fast. Rest of them follow and its anybodys season if it stays like this. Pretty much most of the cars are competitive.

yea same here .. He couldve tried but then again. the 2nd place is too sweet to risk. I guess he will get another chance maybe.

i hope so he deserved the win today

[TheLegendOfMart]

Damn, disaster for Mclaren, very happy for Sauber/Perez was willing him to take Alonso shame about the team order then the mistake, incredible drive though.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Team orders? No, it looked like a genuine mistake by Sergio Perez. A great race by him nonetheless. A race which might just have put him into the second Ferrari cockpit..

Rather disappointed by the Mercedes. Button threw away a better result when he crashed into the HRT.

Reject of the race: Romain Grosjean

Man of the race: Sergio Perez

[White Man]

It looked like he got distracted when they told him to be careful. If it were team orders he wouldn't risk binning his car like he almost did in that corner.

[ybrett23]

It looked like he got distracted when they told him to be careful. If it were team orders he wouldn't risk binning his car like he almost did in that corner.

the team orders caused the distraction, making him run wide,

[Eddo89]

The HRT, one of them or both is an absolute disgrace. If there was a car who was going to be in the way of a front runner for multiple corners whilst barely giving them a line to pass, it is one of them. Sort of forgivable maybe with the wet race, but half the time they weren't making an effort. Maybe Button's chop is a bit unfortunate and he couldn't do much about apart from having a better drive, but a wheel was turned to cut Vettel's tyre. One of them is definitely Karthikeyan, not sure if de la Rosa was involved. The former of which I seem to remember as a poor back marker at the best of days.

Fantastic race from Perez, was amazing how he caught up and drove so consistently up till that one little mistake. He is a driver to watch for sure. Vettel made his name initially in the rain in Fuji, then engraved his name with that win Monsa. Perez may well be heading towards a meteoric rise to the top. Alonso though did deserve to win, he drove fast when he was fast and took his opportunity to get past Perez. In the end, Ferrari probably deserved to win down to Sauber's decision to have Perez pit a lap late, which cost him 4 seconds. He probably whittled Alonso's lead from 6 to below 2 in 3 different occasions.

I have a soft spot for Massa, but this is getting a bit ridiculous in the gap. Alonso is an amazing driver, but not THAT amazing. Maybe is because of the wet, but if this keeps up he is (should) be a gonna. Mercedes was just destroyed in the race, Schumi may had got spun by Grosjean, but Rosberg barely had any issue but finished what effectively is just in front of the bottom 3 teams in rankings. Schumacher never looked like he was ever going to challenge for many points anyway.

[White Man]

[Fourjays Veteran]

Good to see McLaren have gone back to their old ways as far as pit stops are concerned (for both). :rolleyes: At least they still held on to third with Hamilton.

Congrats to Perez and Sauber. I think he is really promising and maybe he can get a win sometime this season if the cars are as close as they appear to be.

[Shibby]

I wasn't able to watch today, since its gone to Sky Sports F1 I can't record it :(

[what]

Congrats to Perez and Sauber. I think he is really promising and maybe he can get a win sometime this season if the cars are as close as they appear to be.

Don't get carried away. Sauber's dry race pace is still slow. A bit of water always throws everything into the air.

[123456789A]

Alonso has some huge eyebrows. I think that's what allowed him to drive so well in the wet. They can absorb a lot of water! He did a really good job with that awful car.

Perez was doing great with his strategy. I don't think the "team orders" were a distraction though. These guys are professional drivers, so if a voice on the radio is enough to cause them to go off the track, they don't need to be driving. Drivers get messages like that all the time. If anything was a distraction, it would have been Vettel's radio on the last lap. Anyway, Perez made an honest mistake, pushing a bit hard at the end because he really wanted the win.

Glad to see Lewis finally got a functioning drinks system on his car, but his pit stops weren't that great. Too bad about Button and Michael Backmarker. I was hoping to see them finish higher.

[DarkyDan]

The Sauber had genuine pace in clear air, but from its general Q position in a dry race he will struggle to get to the podium again bceause of the handful of teams ahead. Just look at his Team-mate for the difference that tyre/pit strategy and track position makes!

Glad to see Webber being consistent off the line and in the race, just need to strategy side to come together for him and he will be back on the podium and hopefully get a win soon. Hamiltons race pace is troubling too I might add. Williams the dark horse for this year, I fear Saubers flash in the pan will not be repeated although they will challenge for points regularly.

BTW, ditch f1.com live timing cramped miniature java BS. formula1livetiming.com, leeches the official timing data and displays it using JavaScript! fullscreen madness :D

[Daedroth]

Enjoyed the race, and it just goes to show how fun wet races can be. I am pleased for Perez and Sauber, but if it was a dry race, I'm still afraid they'd be in the tail end of the points. Sauber made a silly decision not pitting him at the same time as Alonso...if he had, he'd have taken Alonso imo. Perez then made what appears to be a rookie mistake under the pressure of catching Alonso. (Alonso showed his experience by being consisent)

Button was off-form today. Out-braked himself and ran into the HRT, then was out of sync with tyres pretty much. Hamilton was still too hard on his tyres, but that's his driving style.

It's a shame for Massa, he's still haunted by his own past form, and he just can't get back into that groove, and had a poor race as a result.

[Kerm]

Anyone know what was going on with Vettel's team orders on the last laps?

Also interesting about what I think is harsh treatment of Karthikeyan being clipped by Vettel or visa versa;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17504555

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Anyone know what was going on with Vettel's team orders on the last laps?

Also interesting about what I think is harsh treatment of Karthikeyan being clipped by Vettel or visa versa;

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/17504555

The team wanted Vettel to retire in order to be able to change the gearbox or other parts without incurring a grid penalty. Vettel refused to follow the order because of what it was - unsportsmanlike.

[Daedroth]

Anyone know what was going on with Vettel's team orders on the last laps?

Also interesting about what I think is harsh treatment of Karthikeyan being clipped by Vettel or visa versa;

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/17504555

I don't recall hearing anything about Vettel's team orders. But regarding his collision with Karthikeyan...that was 100% his own fault (Vettel's) in my opinion. He took the line and then cut right across the HRT too early. Given that the HRT is a slow car anyway...if it had been a Renault for example, the accident could have been a lot worse. Vettel didn't need to be so aggressive and cut across so early...he had the whole back straight!

[MightyJordan]

[Lingwo]

It is quite clear Massa won't be with Ferrari (unless a miracle happens) after this season. Still i'm not sure about Perez, i think we need to see some more races from him. Great result for him but like most wet races it does bring unlikely results.

[ybrett23]

Love it

[Eddo89]

I don't recall hearing anything about Vettel's team orders. But regarding his collision with Karthikeyan...that was 100% his own fault (Vettel's) in my opinion. He took the line and then cut right across the HRT too early. Given that the HRT is a slow car anyway...if it had been a Renault for example, the accident could have been a lot worse. Vettel didn't need to be so aggressive and cut across so early...he had the whole back straight!

I disagree in that he cut back early. He wasn't exactly going in a straight line, but he was taking what was supposed to be the racing line. Karthikeyan on the other hand, actually twitched his wheel.

Just watch here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EAcNPOSGtU

Vettel did made movement to go towards the outside, but it is something Karthikeyan should have seen it, he had time to react, instead, notice how he actually turned back in, and there is plenty of race track for him to go on without clipping Vettel's tyre. It makes perfect sense for Vettel to be drifting there. It does NOT make sense for Karthikeyan to drift in. Is not as though anyone made a sudden movement at all, you should be able to see it a mile away, it as if Karthikeyan didn't know where his front wing is, which is simply silly. No one was being aggressive, you could see it coming a second before it happened.

And his excuse about being bullied and marbles? Well, get in a better car, backmarkers are supposed to get out of the way. And marbles? That is what everyone needs to do if they are lapped, and the marble is no excuse as he is going back on the racing line if he just hold station. And he had always been a backmarker, he should be used to it. Hell, guys who aren't normally backmarkers tend to do a good job in getting out of the way when they do get lapped. And even if you say Vettel wasn't very sporting in the way he passed him, which I disagree, Karthikeyan could had easily avoided the incident.

I can't stand with anyone other than Vettel on this incident, it is black and white to me after watching it again. Again, I say, I tend to remember Karthikeyan involved in incidents or being a simply bad backmarker more often than not, except for Ide. He never done anything significant in his career, even when I was reading him being picked, I'm wondering why someone who actually showed some speed, Chandok, didn't get an opportunity instead.