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[shakey]

I didn't bring online prices into it. I talked about regular prices. Elkj?p/Dixons however happen to have unified online and store prices so when their stores have launch day sales, they do as well.

Oh and unlike you, I DID provide proof.

Seriously... troll more. All my post have provided links to what I have said.

[HawkMan]

To irrelevant amazon links.

[Emn1ty]

I see you still don't understand inflation and consumer price indexes.

Let's just put it this way. People a lot smarter than you or me, have calculated this and found that 10 dollars today is worth less than it was 10 years ago. Whatever you say can't change that, your faulty arguments that don't hold any real water can't fight facts.

I'm not denying that. I'm stating that RELATIVE to the amount we make today we have LESS MONEY to spend on arbitrary things such as entertainment.

[HawkMan]

Argh.

NO, we do not. That what inflation and consumer price index means, it means we have more expendable income. You're trying to argue that water makes you wet, but it's also dry.

[spaceelf]

http://www.amazon.co...&pf_rd_i=468642

http://www.amazon.co...VXQJ2ZM6ESBH4T8

http://www.amazon.co...VXQJ2ZM6ESBH4T8

New releases on Amazon are still 59.99.... The "deals" are few and far inbetween. Most games are at the regular price they have been for quite some time with this generation of consoles... with some now starting to hit the $65 mark.

And avid gamers don't want to have to wait 3 to 4 weeks just for a game to drop maybe 10 bucks. If it continues to sell well, it wont drop for longer than that. Only the low rated games drop quickly. But if it is a good game, it will stay at that price for some time.

My point was games used to keep their list price for years. Now they drop or have sales within a year, unless they're released by Activision.

I've bought more games off digital services during the crazy ass sales than I ever had in my entire life, probably.

And one I am embarrassed to admit I have preordered even though the scheduled release is 2013. Bwahahah yay Generals 2!

[Emn1ty]

Argh.

NO, we do not. That what inflation and consumer price index means, it means we have more expendable income. You're trying to argue that water makes you wet, but it's also dry.

I find it hard to believe we have more expendable income in today's economy compared to 30 years ago.

http://dailyreckonin...dard-of-living/

http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/as2011/tax_benefits_as11.pdf

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171766_240249.pdf

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/jan/27/fall-family-disposable-income

[playXray]

I find it hard to believe we have more expendable income in today's economy compared to 30 years ago.

There is no way that the US economy has shrunk in the last four years to the size it was in the early 1980s. The country would be bankrupt and would have to default on its debts, forcing the world into the most unimaginable financial chaos.

[HawkMan]

I find it hard to believe we have more expendable income in today's economy compared to 30 years ago.

http://dailyreckonin...dard-of-living/

http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/as2011/tax_benefits_as11.pdf

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171766_240249.pdf

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/jan/27/fall-family-disposable-income

You might, but facts are facts.

Everything is cheaper, the value of currency is lower and everyone has higher wages.

People have a lot more money to throw around today than 30 years ago. Back then most people spend the majority of their day working, today the majority of your day is free time. People didn't.t buy even a fourth of the amount of luxury items evens poor family today has.

Games, consoles, cell phones, expensive toys, big screen tv's and so on and so on.

[playXray]

Back then most people spend the majority of their day working, today the majority of your day is free time.

I wish that were true for me!

[Pupik]

I wish that were true for me!

Thought you "fixed" his quote, but no, he actually said that :s

[shakey]

Thought you "fixed" his quote, but no, he actually said that :s

He is in Norway... His idea of what the rest of the world is, is a little skewed. Graphs say 1 thing, real life says another. It's like saying unemployment is only 8.whatever percent, when we really know that it is much higher. Can't take his word for much at this point I have found out.

[HawkMan]

He is in Norway... His idea of what the rest of the world is, is a little skewed. Graphs say 1 thing, real life says another. It's like saying unemployment is only 8.whatever percent, when we really know that it is much higher. Can't take his word for much at this point I have found out.

Oh really. Give me some real numbers about how many ours an average person worked in the 80 compared to today then. You'd be shocked. Yes there are people workers double and triple today as well. But that's a small percentage compared to today. Today's average person would be a high middle class to moderately well off back then.

But then again, you're not providing much to this discussion beyond argument for arguments sake and trolling yourself shakey.

It's fun how you think Norway is apparently some place where everyone makes millions, hardly work and everything is next to free though

[Emn1ty]

You might, but facts are facts.

Everything is cheaper, the value of currency is lower and everyone has higher wages.

People have a lot more money to throw around today than 30 years ago. Back then most people spend the majority of their day working, today the majority of your day is free time. People didn't.t buy even a fourth of the amount of luxury items evens poor family today has.

Games, consoles, cell phones, expensive toys, big screen tv's and so on and so on.

We have an equal amount if not less expendable income now than in the mid 80's with respect for inflation. One of those articles claims it is the biggest drop in personal income since the 50's.

[threetonesun]

Game prices couldn't rise with inflation because as gaming became more popular, the amount of titles out at any given time rose exponentially. There's also three main systems out now, and a lot of people own at least two of them... that was very uncommon in the Sega / Nintendo days.

People in the industry complain because WoW chews up a $180 a year out of people's gaming budgets, imagine how much the industry would have stagnated if games were up to $100 a piece.

[HawkMan]

We have an equal amount if not less expendable income now than in the mid 80's with respect for inflation. One of those articles claims it is the biggest drop in personal income since the 50's.

No, we du not have equal or less, we have far more.

And of course its the biggest drop. It's also one of the only ones. Being the biggest drop doesn't mean it's that big, it just means it's dropped. And that 5 years ago we had more. But since the last recession we have pretty much ony gone up, so every new drop as rare as they are, is the biggest one.

Seriously, inflation and consumer price indexes are hard facts, basd on hard facts. They are based on the money we make and the price of items and all that. Way the consumer price index tells us at a very basic level is that, we have more money today, than we did 10, WP and 30 years ago.

[Emn1ty]

No, we du not have equal or less, we have far more.

And of course its the biggest drop. It's also one of the only ones. Being the biggest drop doesn't mean it's that big, it just means it's dropped. And that 5 years ago we had more. But since the last recession we have pretty much ony gone up, so every new drop as rare as they are, is the biggest one.

Seriously, inflation and consumer price indexes are hard facts, basd on hard facts. They are based on the money we make and the price of items and all that. Way the consumer price index tells us at a very basic level is that, we have more money today, than we did 10, WP and 30 years ago.

I've linked you hard facts that don't line up with your statements. You have yet to give me anything but your word.You are absolutely wrong on this count, and my resources prove this. With regards to inflation and taxes today compared to the past, we currently have the lowest amount of expendable income in over ten years, if not more. We are even making less money than 10 years ago.

[shakey]

Oh really. Give me some real numbers about how many ours an average person worked in the 80 compared to today then. You'd be shocked. Yes there are people workers double and triple today as well. But that's a small percentage compared to today. Today's average person would be a high middle class to moderately well off back then.

But then again, you're not providing much to this discussion beyond argument for arguments sake and trolling yourself shakey.

It's fun how you think Norway is apparently some place where everyone makes millions, hardly work and everything is next to free though

No trolling being done by me. I've come to the realization that you just ignore anything anyone post that contradicts what you "believe". When you are able to have a discussion, without ignoring what people are posting with proof, then maybe we can start to have a real debate.

[HawkMan]

No trolling being done by me. I've come to the realization that you just ignore anything anyone post that contradicts what you "believe". When you are able to have a discussion, without ignoring what people are posting with proof, then maybe we can start to have a real debate.

I've not ignored anything that's been relevant to the topic, unfortunately online amazon prices have absolutely no relevance when you're arguing against shop prices being low as an intro offer to lure shoppers in somthey will buy more. That's something that only happe sin brick and mortar.

But please bring some relevant info.

[HawkMan]

I've linked you hard facts that don't line up with your statements. You have yet to give me anything but your word.You are absolutely wrong on this count, and my resources prove this. With regards to inflation and taxes today compared to the past, we currently have the lowest amount of expendable income in over ten years, if not more. We are even making less money than 10 years ago.

Actual relevant info and graphs. More specifically the history graph.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=us+consumer+price+index+2000+to+2011

And some more

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=us+average+pay+2000&a=*C.us+average+pay+2000-_*OccupationData-

[nominak]

I've not ignored anything that's been relevant to the topic, unfortunately online amazon prices have absolutely no relevance when you're arguing against shop prices being low as an intro offer to lure shoppers in somthey will buy more. That's something that only happe sin brick and mortar.

But please bring some relevant info.

With my Job, I work every available daylight hour from Spring to beginning of Winter. That starts out at almost 16 hours a day. 5 days a week.

Another job I can/used to do, I worked 13-14 hours a day, 7 days a week, 28-35 days straight. Please tell me where this free time is.

[CUBBYJR2005]

Guys can we get this back on topic about the game it seems it got off topic.

[Emn1ty]

Actual relevant info and graphs. More specifically the history graph.

http://www.wolframal...ex+2000+to+2011

And some more

http://www.wolframal...OccupationData-

Are these adjusted for inflation? This looks identical to Google's chart which specifically states it is NOT adjusted for inflation:

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=a7jenngfc4um7_&ctype=l&strail=false&nselm=h&met_y=disposable_personal_income&hl=en&dl=en#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=disposable_personal_income&scale_y=log&ind_y=false&rdim=region&ifdim=region&tdim=true&hl=en&dl=en

[Boxster17]

With my Job, I work every available daylight hour from Spring to beginning of Winter. That starts out at almost 16 hours a day. 5 days a week.

Another job I can/used to do, I worked 13-14 hours a day, 7 days a week, 28-35 days straight. Please tell me where this free time is.

I don't understand what you're getting at...if you don't have time to go to the stores then you simply don't get the same deals...what's the problem? If you're complaining because you wouldn't be able to get that deal due to time restraints, then it's too bad really as that's a you problem.

[The Gunslinger]

The 80s, 90s and 00s called and they said lolwut?

They get a return on investment when the person buys the game, they arent entitled to more money if someone resells it which is the only reason these online passes exist.

Agree...They should at alternate business models, not kill used game retailers out of jealousy. Its time they innovated, not just try to double dip.

[HawkMan]

With my Job, I work every available daylight hour from Spring to beginning of Winter. That starts out at almost 16 hours a day. 5 days a week.

Another job I can/used to do, I worked 13-14 hours a day, 7 days a week, 28-35 days straight. Please tell me where this free time is.

And you are the average person ?

Are these adjusted for inflation? This looks identical to Google's chart which specifically states it is NOT adjusted for inflation:

http://www.google.co...rue&hl=en&dl=en

gah, you still do not undestand what inflation is do you.

CPI IS inflation. seriusly.