Sorry, Americans, No UMD passport program for you :(

[Vice]

Someone (Vice) didn't pay close attention to the thread! :p

Or read the thread at all. I rarely do.

[Glassed Silver]

Or read the thread at all. I rarely do.

No problem buddy...

When a thread is 3 or more pages in I sometimes only skim or don't read more than the very first and last comments, too! (Y)

Glassed Silver:mac

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

They needn't include a whole UMD. Just allow the passport system like they do in Japan. Simple. Apple let you buy an App and have it available on up to 5 separate devices at the same time. Buy once move across different devices. iPad, iPhone, iPod Touch. Sony would do good to follow that example.

And another thing if you already have an app on your Mac that you bought for example lets say you walked in to a shop and bought a copy of iLife a physical boxed retail copy. When you install that on your Mac it appears in the App Store as something you've purchased and gets all the same perks as if you bought it through the App Store. Another example is Steam on the PC. Buy a PC game enter the serial in to steam and it is then downloadable through Steam. Many games support this like Mafia II, Call of Duty and Unreal Tournament 3.

Sony need to get it that if they force people to continually re-buy stuff to have it in different formats it will just push them to piracy and then they'll lose them forever. If it isn't DRM hassling the consumer it is unfair lock-ins and double standards. They expect us (westerners) to buy their products but they always give their home market the Japanese a much better experience than we do by launching there first (sometimes months ahead of the west) having region locks for good games released only in Japan and then this Passport situation.

I had a PS2, I currently own a PS3. I won't be buying a PSP Vita. Once bitten twice shy.

Actually, that is not true about the Apple Store at all. It is up to the developer if the Apple Store recognizes the non Apple Store version as the same app. It is documented in that link.

I also wish I could install certain apps on my work iPad that is still on iOS 4 as a mandate of my IT department. However more and more apps, and certain features of Apps, require iOS 5.

Also I do think there are a decent amount of apps that may not even run on the iPhone 3 but will run on the iPhone 4. Does not seem very backwards compatible to me.

And really like you said, only option you and everyone else has that does not support this decision is to not buy it. Point taken.

[Belazor]

I'm sort of in the same boat as DirtyLarry here, I could honsetly care less about backwards compatibility myself.

You do realise you just said "I care about backwards compatibility" right?

If you could care less, then you care to some degree, even if it's very little. But there's still room for you to care less.

If you couldn't care less, this means you don't care at all.

---

I'd like this to come to the EU for the Dissidia games, but I won't be heartbroken if it doesn't happen.

[Boxster17]

I know the difference as I correct people all the time in real life on that same grammatically error. I honestly couldn't care less..mistakes happen, no big deal as people obviously understood :p (merely kidding).

[Hedon]

I couldn't care less if you couldn't care less.

[etempest]

But putting in a whole UMD drive just for backwards compatibility is pointless and a cost that most people wouldn't want to be paying for. Hence they came up with the passport system, I don't however agree with them charging for it.

I also agree that Sony should never have taken out the PS2 compatibility either, but again if they claimed the hardware revision was to keep costs down then so be it. If you kept your PS2 games, chances are you kept your PS2. I think it pretty much proves that it was a hardware issue with the fact that they haven't removed PS1 emulation as that is totally software.

They axed the ps2 compability to push ps3 software, they admitted it wasn't about dropping the price of the console.

http://kotaku.com/31...r-cost-measures

[Glassed Silver]

They axed the ps2 compability to push ps3 software, they admitted it wasn't about dropping the price of the console.

http://kotaku.com/31...r-cost-measures

Shady shady...

Glassed Silver:mac

[SpyderCanopus]

Another reason not buy it.

[AbandonedTrolley]

Another reason not buy it.

Because you can't play 4-5 year old games on it, okay you sit in your cave of the past while everyone else gets on with the future.

[compl3x]

Another reason not buy it.

What are the other reasons?

[AbandonedTrolley]

What are the other reasons?

I heard it doesn't play Crysis at max!

[Hedon]

What are the other reasons?

Price

No UMD Passport

Lack of games

Questionable build quality from first reports

Poor battery life when not in sleep mode

Is what I have seen from some posting on forums.

[compl3x]

Price

No UMD Passport

Lack of games

Questionable build quality from first reports

Poor battery life when not in sleep mode

Is what I have seen from some posting on forums.

Price is a fair point. It is expensive. But it is a fully featured handheld. We may see a price drop like we did with Nintendo.

UMD support exists, just not in America, which admittedly sucks.

It launched with like 26 games, hardly a lack of games.

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1059146-playstation-vita-has-the-2nd-most-launch-titles-of-any-system/

I've never read anything about poor build quality. I've read the opposite. Sony can be accused of a lot of things, but building ****ty gaming products isn't one of them. (Ok, except the PSPGo. That thing was ridiculous)

Poor battery life is just the nature of more sophisticated devices.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

I don't really think anything over 4 hours is bad at all for this level of graphical fidelity and OS sophistication (all the network features, cross game chat, NEAR, ect).

Isn't the 3DS lower than that with 3D enabled? (selling point of the device....). Eurogamer claim Vita 1 hour longer than 3DS with everything on full - http://www.eurogamer...ttery-life-test

So it beats the competition whilst packing in a better screen and more impressive graphics...

[compl3x]

I don't really think anything over 4 hours is bad at all for this level of graphical fidelity and OS sophistication (all the network features, cross game chat, NEAR, ect).

And do people really play their handhelds for 4 or 5 hours in a row? If you turn off wifi and reduce the brightness you could squeeze out more hours.

[Glassed Silver]

And do people really play their handhelds for 4 or 5 hours in a row? If you turn off wifi and reduce the brightness you could squeeze out more hours.

I doubt it will be hours...

On another note: I remember the good old GBC and GBA SP times when I could bring my handheld for a weekend and don't worry about a charger...

Or a long train ride (peace of mind).

No, you don't need to squeeze those 4/5h in a row in order to make good use of a bad battery.

It's hardly the fault of the device makers, it's the fault of a total standstill in battery evolution for the "home" user/Avg. Joe market.

I used to think of Li-Ion as the shi*.

Well, it still is quite nice, but we're reaching a point where it's getting old.

Also, the retro gamer in me is worries about batteries that are proprietary to a brand or even device specifically and won't be obtainable in a few years and leave me looking at a device without the ability to play it.

Add increased architecture complexity and hence less strong emulator development and the drop of significance for backwards compatibility.

What do we have? Dead retro games.

Not EVERY device will turn on without a battery inserted. (example: GBA SP, personal experience, I bet there are many more...)

Glassed Silver:mac

[Hedon]

It launched with like 26 games, hardly a lack of games.

http://www.neowin.ne...-of-any-system/

I should added the word "good". Sorry.

I've never read anything about poor build quality. I've read the opposite. Sony can be accused of a lot of things, but building ****ty gaming products isn't one of them.

Been reading about it on playstation.com forums and gaf. Then again, Sony products are generally questionable in quality, so it should be no suprise.

Poor battery life is just the nature of more sophisticated devices.

Doesn't mean we have to accept it. Some are reporting 3 hours on a full charge playing. I will be testing it next week, as my son is getting one.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Been reading about it on playstation.com forums and gaf. Then again, Sony products are generally questionable in quality, so it should be no suprise.

Soo much fail. No one else can ever use GAF as an example on here to you, but you use it. Also, don't know what GAF thread you're reading, but if it's the Western launch thread try trolling harder. Hardware build quality is praised by almost everyone, it's software that is causing some lockups and resets.

[KingCracker]

Don't own any handhelds so it doesn't bother me.

[Boxster17]

I should added the word "good". Sorry.

No, you should've added "in my opinion", what you're saying is in no way a fact. You're spewing nonsense without anything to backup any of these statements. You laugh at people using gaf to support their claims yet use it yourself, hypocrite much? It's quite clear where you stand on this so if you're purely going to come in trying to troll these topics then you might as well save your time and go elsewhere.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

UMD....utterly, mother disapproves.....wait, what? Am I supposed to be upset? Well then WAAAAH! (Honestly, I couldn't care less...and YES, I know what that means) :p

[compl3x]

I should added the word "good". Sorry.

13 Vita games on metacritic have 75+ ratings points by critics. 6 between 75 and 80, 7 between 80 and 90. But admittedly good is a relative term. I bought Uncharted and I think it's pretty great. I also played the wipeout demo and the unit 13 demo, they both look fun.

Been reading about it on playstation.com forums and gaf. Then again, Sony products are generally questionable in quality, so it should be no suprise.

Well, I have one and I think the build quality is quite good. I have had my Vita freeze once while it was shutting down, but that was nothing that couldn't be solved with a quick reset.

Doesn't mean we have to accept it. Some are reporting 3 hours on a full charge playing. I will be testing it next week, as my son is getting one.

'

Take it up with whoever develops battery technology. I don't know if that is Sony. I doubt that it is.

[Hedon]

Soo much fail.

Don't be so hard on yourself. ;)

No one else can ever use GAF as an example on here to you, but you use it.

You got my joke at least. Funny how GAF is acceptable when it's something good, but not acceptable when it is something bad. Double standards much?

Also, don't know what GAF thread you're reading, but if it's the Western launch thread try trolling harder. Hardware build quality is praised by almost everyone, it's software that is causing some lockups and resets.

I assume you are kidding, right?

No, you should've added "in my opinion", what you're saying is in no way a fact. You're spewing nonsense without anything to backup any of these statements.

Your opinion is noted.

You laugh at people using gaf to support their claims yet use it yourself, hypocrite much?

You caught on, just like Boxer did. Good job. I was pointing out how people praise gaf when it is in their favor, then question gaf when it is not. Good job.

It's quite clear where you stand on this so if you're purely going to come in trying to troll these topics then you might as well save your time and go elsewhere.

I am sorry, who are you again? And how long have you been here? Trolling a topic of a product that I have? Ok then, that is a new one to us.

13 Vita games on metacritic have 75+ ratings points by critics. 6 between 75 and 80, 7 between 80 and 90. But admittedly good is a relative term. I bought Uncharted and I think it's pretty great. I also played the wipeout demo and the unit 13 demo, they both look fun.

Uncharted is good. Got a few hours in this weekend actually.

Well, I have one and I think the build quality is quite good. I have had my Vita freeze once while it was shutting down, but that was nothing that couldn't be solved with a quick reset.

No freezes here yet. Seems a bit light/cheap on the build, but it's not bad. The analog sticks feel better than the stick on the actual DS3 controller for the PS3 surprisingly.

Take it up with whoever develops battery technology. I don't know if that is Sony. I doubt that it is.

Sony make their own batteries.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

No, I'm not. For anyone else wanting actual proof of something I say unlike our friend here - http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463944

You won't be using a magnifying glass to find the praise of the hardware in there.

You got my joke at least. Funny how GAF is acceptable when it's something good, but not acceptable when it is something bad. Double standards much?

Good try at digging yourself out of that one, if a sites not trustworthy when it's praise, neither is it trustworthy when it's criticism. If we stick by your view of NeoGAF.