Windows 8 RTM Build 8500

[.Neo]

for me its not so much the speed because even on my 4 year old budget dell laptop they all start in less than a second, its more the little things i find missing like a delete all button for junk mail in the mail up... yeah not the best example i know but that was the most recent thing i noticed

I have no idea what's going wrong here then because on pretty much all computers I've seen Windows 8 run on, including my own iMac that has a 2,93 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 onboard, most Metro apps take for every to load. In OS X Mountain Lion Mail starts instantly and same goes for Windows Live Mail in Windows 7. :/

[dafin0]

I have no idea what's going wrong here then because on pretty much all computers I've seen Windows 8 run on, including my own iMac that has a 2,93 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 onboard, most Metro apps take for every to load. In OS X Mountain Lion Mail starts instantly and same goes for Windows Live Mail in Windows 7. :/

odd,on my main desktop when running the customer preview it would take about 3-5 second to load a app. i have not installed the latest build of win 8 on it, but i would think that if it loads really quick on a crappy laptop it would load quick on a desktop as well.

on the laptop the longest loading app is the Store app but i think that has more to do with net connection.

P.S sorry for poor sentence structure im tired :sleep:

[.Neo]

3-5 seconds for a Mail client to load also seems pretty long to me on modern hardware. Even Adobe Photoshop CS6 starts faster than that. :/

[Guest]

odd,on my main desktop when running the customer preview it would take about 3-5 second to load a app. i have not installed the latest build of win 8 on it, but i would think that if it loads really quick on a crappy laptop it would load quick on a desktop as well.

on the laptop the longest loading app is the Store app but i think that has more to do with net connection.

P.S sorry for poor sentence structure im tired :sleep:

The CP ran horribly for me on the slightly dated hardware in my media centre pc, more so than Windows 7. (by a long way)

All Metro apps took around 5 seconds to load and the video/music app was too slow to use. It's as though it tried to cache everything every time the apps ran, then cleared it and did it again. I could wait 10 minutes or more to actually see any music and when I did, it scrolled at a snails pace.

[veternan]

You all will be back to Windows 7 soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon... :D

Microsoft, we have a problem... :rofl:

[dafin0]

3-5 seconds for a Mail client to load also seems pretty long to me on modern hardware.

yeah a agree with that. but yeah i thought that was fix now just because my laptop loads in about 1-2 seconds

[dr_crabman]

but it's unlikely many are willing to pay ?150 a year for a new Windows release. Keep in mind I'm talking retail prices here.

But nobody in their right mind pays the full price. I got W7 for 50? three years ago and could buy one right now for 65?. Newegg.com lists Home Premium for 100$. (Bi)yearly updates would have to be cheaper of course but not by much.

[J_R_G]

Seems kinda soon. I got frequent lock ups in Win 8 DP, CP and RP (always the same type, things won't open, I press alt-tab and windows components show up that shouldn't, then I do ctrl-alt-del and it locks), and when that didn't happen I got frequent BF3 crashes. Win 7 on the other hand, has never crashed on this machine and BF3 runs stable. I guess at this point all I can do is hope these are driver issues that get worked out by time Win 8 is available to purchase.

[.Neo]

But nobody in their right mind pays the full price. I got W7 for 50? three years ago and could buy one right now for 65?. Newegg.com lists Home Premium for 100$. (Bi)yearly updates would have to be cheaper of course but not by much.

Most people aren't aware of these things, they just see the retail price in stores. And again, I don't see people paying ?80 a year for an OS update. Especially not PC users who tend to differ in this regard from Mac users.

While I support the notion that some will pirate software even if it's being sold for ?0,79. I do think that you'll end up selling more, perhaps even make more money, if you reduce retail prices enough. Apple cut expenses dramatically by making OS X and the rest of their software downloads only. As such they can cut prices as well. In the case of Microsoft's software it might even not be worthwhile anymore trying to bypass activation and the genuine software check if Windows Professional retail only costs ?45 (or something like that).

[FaiKee]

Posted in Chinese Micro-blog

[FaiKee]

WZOR also updated his post with screen-shot:

[Noir Angel]

I have no idea what's going wrong here then because on pretty much all computers I've seen Windows 8 run on, including my own iMac that has a 2,93 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 onboard, most Metro apps take for every to load. In OS X Mountain Lion Mail starts instantly and same goes for Windows Live Mail in Windows 7. :/

Same with Outlook, starts almost instantly and i'd wager that's significantly more complicated than the Metro client

[anidais]

I'm hoping they update all the icons to match the new theme. But I don't know why I feel they won't.

[BajiRav]

Personally I like the notion of having smaller yearly OS X releases. But then again Apple is only charging us ?16. For Microsoft it would mean seriously rethinking their business model.

I think MS could go down the route of releasing yearly updates as service packs with features that are free i.e. they charge you $99 in 2012 and you get free feature updates (8.2, 8.5 etc.) till Windows 9 comes round. It is kind of a similar model.

On the other hand, most of the incremental updates in iOS are not OS level and updating those apps is as good as adding features?

[neo1911]

Somebody bloody leak the damn thing

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

It's finished already?! :/

[EVH5150]

If they release in it's current state, this thing is going to bomb bigger than ME and Vista combined. It needs a LOT more time in the oven and a total re-think. As is, they've got another WP7/Zune/Kin on their hands.

[winlonghorn]

If they release in it's current state, this thing is going to bomb bigger than ME and Vista combined. It needs a LOT more time in the oven and a total re-think. As is, they've got another WP7/Zune/Kin on their hands.

They will NOT kill off the Metro UI on the desktop and restore the start button/menu! That just isn't going to happen as much as many people don't like the idea. I don't really understand why it is difficult to adjust to honestly. I am adjusting to it just fine (and yes, I am an IT Pro/Developer). However, I do respect the decisions of others. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It may be confusing to me, but to each their own! ;)

[.Neo]

They will NOT kill off the Metro UI on the desktop and restore the start button/menu!

As if that's the only critique. A lot of people accept Metro but have severe doubts about multi-monitor support and multi-tasking for example are handled. Not to mention the performance of current Metro apps.

[winlonghorn]

As if that's the only critique. A lot of people accept Metro but have severe doubts about multi-monitor support and multi-tasking for example are handled. Not to mention the performance of current Metro apps.

I am not saying that is the only consideration by any means! Multi Monitor Support is looking good from what I have read online. For example, the ability to move the start screen to another monitor so that you can use it as an information dashboard while working is very cool! As far as Metro App performance, you can bet that it will greatly improve by RTM. Once they take the apps out of preview and remove/disable any debugging code, everything should run very nicely.

[Melfster]

As if that's the only critique. A lot of people accept Metro but have severe doubts about multi-monitor support and multi-tasking for example are handled. Not to mention the performance of current Metro apps.

Exactly... I'm concerned with the performance of the metro apps of course it could be that there still is debug code in metro with consumer preview. I would like another Release Candidate Preview so that metro could be tested. I see where they are going but execution has to be really good for Microsoft to succeed.

[winlonghorn]

Exactly... I'm concerned with the performance of the metro apps of course it could be that there still is debug code in metro with consumer preview. I would like another Release Candidate Preview so that metro could be tested. I see where they are going but execution has to be really good for Microsoft to succeed.

Exactly! There is at least a 80% chance that the debugging code is the issue if you ask me!

[FaiKee]

It's finished already?! :/

If you look at the WZOR pic in post#37, it shows " local network server for RTM sign-off" (it's on MS infra-net); that means the windows team consider the build placed in that server(RTM candidate) is eligible for sign-off voting.

[Luka Radunovic]

I wouldn't judge RTM quality based on Release Preview because development is strange sometimes. I am developer for years and i am saying this from experience. A lot of work was done in the background and i supposed all dots are connected with RTM. I believe MS purposely didn't want to update Metro Apps and overall GUI for Release Preview to leave something for RTM. (few surprises). I believe quality of RTM is very good including Metro Apps which are updated. Be sure that these apps will get updated in the future and it is pretty independent just like any other Metro App gets updated via Microsoft Store in Windows 7 Phone.

With each new Windows, development process will go quicker just you guys know. If took MS two years to build Windows 8 for example, it will take them only 1.5 to build Windows 9. I believe Windows will get its new release every year and update will be very seamless.

[xendrome]

Exactly... I'm concerned with the performance of the metro apps of course it could be that there still is debug code in metro with consumer preview. I would like another Release Candidate Preview so that metro could be tested. I see where they are going but execution has to be really good for Microsoft to succeed.

Exactly! There is at least a 80% chance that the debugging code is the issue if you ask me!

I'm pretty sure the CP and RP are not Debug builds....