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odd,on my main desktop when running the customer preview it would take about 3-5 second to load a app. i have not installed the latest build of win 8 on it, but i would think that if it loads really quick on a crappy laptop it would load quick on a desktop as well.

on the laptop the longest loading app is the Store app but i think that has more to do with net connection.

P.S sorry for poor sentence structure im tired :sleep:

Superfetch is the answer. By using them seldom superfetch is not able to cache them at a high scale, hence the slow boot loads.

But nobody in their right mind pays the full price. I got W7 for 50? three years ago and could buy one right now for 65?. Newegg.com lists Home Premium for 100$. (Bi)yearly updates would have to be cheaper of course but not by much.

for OEM it's $99.99, but for RETAIL it's more $179.99 and with OEM you it's locked to that PC which basically means you can't remove it from that PC and transfer it to another one down the road if you happen to build a new PC. but i suspect it might be possible to try doing that anyways and see what happens as i am not sure if MS enforces that or not. but officially OEM is locked to that specific PC where as RETAIL you can remove it and transfer it to any other PC you like.

either way, i just say the heck with that and go with the 'activation methods' that basically fool it into thinking it's legit ;) (windows 7 still functions like normal doing that to)

They will NOT kill off the Metro UI on the desktop and restore the start button/menu! That just isn't going to happen as much as many people don't like the idea.

i just hope that crap never catches on as it's like they just over simplified PC's for people who don't know much about them but in turn, from what little i have seen, seems to remove a lot of the stuff we are used to using through the regular interface we have basically had since Windows 95 which makes it so you can actually use your PC instead of it acting more like some media center crap that's best left to touch screen/simple devices not a full blown PC that you actually want to use.

personally i am hoping Windows 8 flops purely because of that interface because if that ever becomes semi common it's pretty much going to force us people who been using the default interface for ages now to re-learn some crap that's just plain worse than Windows 7's default interface except for total PC noobies.

but unless your a TOTAL computer noobie i can't actually see most people preferring that new interface over the tried and true Windows 7 type interfaces.

p.s. but once Windows 8 RTM leaks ill probably get it and test it out in a virtual PC just to see how bad it is. about the only thing Windows 8 might have going for it is... supposedly in some articles i read a while ago it's basically a more tuned version of Windows 7 as it appears stuff is a bit more efficient.

for OEM it's $99.99, but for RETAIL it's more $179.99 and with OEM you it's locked to that PC which basically means you can't remove it from that PC and transfer it to another one down the road if you happen to build a new PC. but i suspect it might be possible to try doing that anyways and see what happens as i am not sure if MS enforces that or not. but officially OEM is locked to that specific PC where as RETAIL you can remove it and transfer it to any other PC you like.

either way, i just say the heck with that and go with the 'activation methods' that basically fool it into thinking it's legit ;) (windows 7 still functions like normal doing that to)

i just hope that crap never catches on as it's like they just over simplified PC's for people who don't know much about them but in turn, from what little i have seen, seems to remove a lot of the stuff we are used to using through the regular interface we have basically had since Windows 95 which makes it so you can actually use your PC instead of it acting more like some media center crap that's best left to touch screen/simple devices not a full blown PC that you actually want to use.

personally i am hoping Windows 8 flops purely because of that interface because if that ever becomes semi common it's pretty much going to force us people who been using the default interface for ages now to re-learn some crap that's just plain worse than Windows 7's default interface except for total PC noobies.

but unless your a TOTAL computer noobie i can't actually see most people preferring that new interface over the tried and true Windows 7 type interfaces.

p.s. but once Windows 8 RTM leaks ill probably get it and test it out in a virtual PC just to see how bad it is. about the only thing Windows 8 might have going for it is... supposedly in some articles i read a while ago it's basically a more tuned version of Windows 7 as it appears stuff is a bit more efficient.

Sounds like what you are basically saying is that your issues with Windows 8 (even the Release Preview) are subjective - not objective. Fair enough.

Sounds like what you are basically saying is that your issues with Windows 8 (even the Release Preview) are subjective - not objective. Fair enough.

New Metro interface will simply not work for certain number of people. It is one of those deal breakers for some people which makes them stick with older version or move to another OS. Unfortunately MS doesn't provide an alternative for them so MS might lose 20% of Desktop Market share and gain same number on Mobile/Tablets and in Microsoft Financial books, looks all good.

Sounds like what you are basically saying is that your issues with Windows 8 (even the Release Preview) are subjective - not objective. Fair enough.

i have not even used Windows 8 AT ALL yet, but just going from what little i can tell of it's interface it's setup more for a 'media center' type PC instead of a actual PC that you really want to USE.

but yeah, your right. what i said is subjective. but at the same time... i am sure MANY (if not a high percentage) of people who actually use PC's WILL NOT like that default interface which i think they call Metro. they should have the regular interface the default with the metro crap as something you have to enable (like turn on yourself) to use it as then most people would not bother with that metro stuff. i just hope that metro stuff never catches on otherwise us more power users will be forced into using it at some point or another.

but like i say ill have to get a hold of the RTM at some point and test it in a virtual PC to say for sure but if it's anything like how it appears to be from pictures etc odds are i won't like it at all as it's pretty much setup for those who don't know almost nothing about using a PC.

i have not even used Windows 8 AT ALL yet, but just going from what little i can tell of it's interface it's setup more for a 'media center' type PC instead of a actual PC that you really want to USE.

but yeah, your right. what i said is subjective. but at the same time... i am sure MANY (if not a high percentage) of people who actually use PC's WILL NOT like that default interface which i think they call Metro. they should have the regular interface the default with the metro crap as something you have to enable (like turn on yourself) to use it as then most people would not bother with that metro stuff. i just hope that metro stuff never catches on otherwise us more power users will be forced into using it at some point or another.

but like i say ill have to get a hold of the RTM at some point and test it in a virtual PC to say for sure but if it's anything like how it appears to be from pictures etc odds are i won't like it at all as it's pretty much setup for those who don't know almost nothing about using a PC.

From all i gathered so far my prediction is that MS will start killing off default Desktop Apps such as Paint, WordPad, Windows Media Player etc with Windows 9 and replace them with Metro Apps. In fact WordPad will be probably replaced by Metro Office 360 thing app (basic). I still believe there will be Desktop interface in Windows 9 and that's about it. Windows is leaning toward Metro/Cloud integration, yeah your PC will be less personal and more restrictive and cloud service dependant unfortunatelly. I guess that is trend which is taking place so basically any Windows powered device you take you carry same experience and you share your data using common location called Cloud.

i have not even used Windows 8 AT ALL yet, but just going from what little i can tell of it's interface it's setup more for a 'media center' type PC instead of a actual PC that you really want to USE.

You have an awfully strong dislike for a product that you've never used... Windows 8 is perfectly fine for getting work done.

It sounds like your only complaint is that the start menu is a bit bigger than you'd like. If you had every used Windows 8 (and you freely admit you haven't), then you would know that the start menu is optimized for mouse in ways that can't be see in a screenshot. This is the only interface you really have to deal with other than the desktop.

Smells like another Windows Vista all over again...Oh boy.

Why? The problem with Windows Vista was drivers. Microsoft hasn't changed the driver model since Vista, and Windows has only become more and more efficient and speedy with each release. The only complaint y'all have with Windows 8 is that the start menu is bigger than you'd like.

You have an awfully strong dislike for a product that you've never used... Windows 8 is perfectly fine for getting work done.

It sounds like your only complaint is that the start menu is a bit bigger than you'd like. If you had every used Windows 8 (and you freely admit you haven't), then you would know that the start menu is optimized for mouse in ways that can't be see in a screenshot. This is the only interface you really have to deal with other than the desktop.

ill have to try it and see how it is on a virtual machine at some point but lacking the slight speed boost it has over Win7 i can't see me liking it over windows 7 at the end of the day.

but ill reserve final judgement til i actually try it for a bit ;)

So... among hidden features that Microsoft hasn't announced yet... why haven't we seen anything about TellMe for Windows 8? Surely they have plans to port it to Win8, especially since TellMe is integrated into WinRT apps on WP8...

So... among hidden features that Microsoft hasn't announced yet... why haven't we seen anything about TellMe for Windows 8? Surely they have plans to port it to Win8, especially since TellMe is integrated into WinRT apps on WP8...

this is what i would like to know, seams odd that a phone has more features than a full OS that its based off

I'm pretty sure the CP and RP are not Debug builds....

They do have test/debugging code in them definitely. That is how they gather feedback and test what is going on with them. Believe me, until RTM, there is debugging code contained in the builds! :)

RTM so soon?

The OS feels unfinished :/

I wish I could afford a Mac, I hate the way Windows is going.

AFAIK, RP was compiled in early-mid May and now RTM in late June-July. Doesn't seem like "soon", just normal progress?

They do have test/debugging code in them definitely. That is how they gather feedback and test what is going on with them. Believe me, until RTM, there is debugging code contained in the builds! :)

I just checked and the public copies do not have Debug code in them, they would actually be much larger. There are the following versions of the Consumer Preview for example:

  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview with Apps 32-bit (Public Download)
  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview with Apps 64-bit (Public Download)
  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview Debug/Checked Build 32-bit
  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview Debug/Checked Build 64-bit
  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview SDK 32/64-bit
  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview Symbols 32-bit
  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview Symbols 64-bit
  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview Symbols Debug/Checked Build 32-bit
  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview Symbols Debug/Checked Build 64-bit
  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview WDF Co-installer 32/64-bit
  • Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview WDK 32/64-bit
  • Microsoft Windows Hardware Certification Kit Consumer Preview 32/64-bit

If you aren't familiar with the way MS does things, they always have a regular build and a debug/checked build.

The "gather feedback" stuff in any of the Windows products has nothing to do with the "Debug" code or builds, that relies on logs mostly.

Well there goes that excuse for the Metro apps taking for ever to launch... Can't wait for the next one!

There is no valid excuse for how slow the "built-in" apps are :/ (except may be BUT IT'S A PREVIEW)

I love metro apps and this is what i am afraid the most.Its not so much the lack of features.

I am mostly afraid that the long time that takes metro apps to start will be present in RTM along with some of the metro apps simply not starting at all no matter how many times you try to.

I really hope they are aware of the problem and capable of fixing it coz when it hits RTM (if it hasnt already from what i am reading) there is no excuse.

I've been using Windows 8 for a couple of weeks now and I've pretty much adjusted to it. For me, It's a step backwards due to the removal/changes to Previous Versions and Disk Imaging. Previous Versions is now called FIle History and now requires a separate drive and is no longer accessible via right-click. They appear to have removed the ability to image you drive and dumbed it down to a more feature complete version of System Restore. I'm all adding features, but both of these changes were for the worse and diminish the value of the package. Although I'm adjusted, Metro is still crap in my book.

If they plan on speeding up the release schedule for Windows to the point of seeing new versions every year, then they better also think about reducing the price significantly. As it stands, Windows 8 is worth less too me than 7 for messing with the two above features alone, nevermind forcing me to use Metro. That being said, I have to update to stay familiar because its part of my job.

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