Recommended Posts

Wow.. Apple must be paying up big time to try to prevent competition in destroying iPhone. It's a disgrace what the legal system has become in this country.

I just hope Google manages to ban iPhone and IPads from US. This is truly insane.

Your legal system is a disgrace when it's in favor of Apple, yet you hope Google is able to do the same. Aha.

Your legal system is a disgrace when it's in favor of Apple, yet you hope Google is able to do the same. Aha.

hey you know what they say, Revenge is a dish best served cold :rofl:

Your legal system is a disgrace when it's in favor of Apple, yet you hope Google is able to do the same. Aha.

When it comes to abusing the patent system you'll find more people sympathizing with those that counter-sue than with those that sue first. More so when those that sue first also sue far more often.

Looks like Apple got its revenge. ;)

Yup, Apple did alright. I wonder how they like that continuing decrease in marketshare...

Anyway, what Apple is doing is just bad for everyone. I'd say the same thing if things were switched around. Apple is trying to stifle competition and are just running scared. All they will do is slow down a few device sales here and there. And with updated devices coming out often, I hope Apple has fun filing a lawsuit for each and every one of them. They were on top for a while in the smart phone market (basically little to no competition at the time) but now that has changed and they need to switch gears and learn to compete like everyone else.

Apple needs to invest more time in their own products and improving them. I have tried Jelly Bean and it is tons time smoother than ICS is. And the extra features are pretty nice as well. Pretty soon Apple fans will need to find something else to complain about concerning the Android OS. And the version I tried of JB is just a really early leaked copy that was hacked from GSM to work on my Verizon LTE. So I am expecting an even smoother experience once the official source gets released for my device/carrier.

Your legal system is a disgrace when it's in favor of Apple, yet you hope Google is able to do the same. Aha.

Apple are the ones trolling the patent system and ruining things for consumers. Hell yeah I hope they get a taste of their own medicine.

you really think he actually reported him? he most likely just said it to make a point so get over yourself

All I did was suggest not to abuse the system. God forbid I do that though, right? lol how about you get over yourself? :rolleyes:

Apple are the ones trolling the patent system and ruining things for consumers. Hell yeah I hope they get a taste of their own medicine.

It's more than just Apple my friend. :/

Yup, Apple did alright. I wonder how they like that continuing decrease in marketshare...

Anyway, what Apple is doing is just bad for everyone. I'd say the same thing if things were switched around. Apple is trying to stifle competition and are just running scared. All they will do is slow down a few device sales here and there. And with updated devices coming out often, I hope Apple has fun filing a lawsuit for each and every one of them. They were on top for a while in the smart phone market (basically little to no competition at the time) but now that has changed and they need to switch gears and learn to compete like everyone else.

Apple needs to invest more time in their own products and improving them. I have tried Jelly Bean and it is tons time smoother than ICS is. And the extra features are pretty nice as well. Pretty soon Apple fans will need to find something else to complain about concerning the Android OS. And the version I tried of JB is just a really early leaked copy that was hacked from GSM to work on my Verizon LTE. So I am expecting an even smoother experience once the official source gets released for my device/carrier.

Again, I wouldn't say "running scared" so much as using the arsenal they have provided to them right now, until they can launch their own behemoth.

You are right though, I'm hoping the success of Android gets them off their asses to push the quality of their devices farther. I'm really hoping the iOS 6 reveal wasn't all in store for the software on the next iPhone. Otherwise... it's gonna be a while before we see something new from them.

Apple are the ones trolling the patent system and ruining things for consumers. Hell yeah I hope they get a taste of their own medicine.

Let's ignore the fact if Google didn't breach their patents or licensed them Apple wouldn't have had the possibility to sue them to begin with.

Yup, Apple did alright. I wonder how they like that continuing decrease in marketshare...

As long as the actual amount of shipping unites don't decrease market share really doesn't mean all that much. The company isn't interested in being in the number one spot, never have. If they did they would allow their OS to run all hardware. Their closed model and limited amount of devices means per definition that it's next to impossible to hold the top spot indefinitely.

It's more than just Apple my friend. :/

Yep, and I hope that Microsoft, Oracle, and all of the others doing it get theirs as well.

Let's ignore the fact if Google didn't breach their patents or licensed them Apple wouldn't have had the possibility to sue them to begin with.

Or let's just ignore the fact that Apple deliberately apply for patents that are as vague as possible to troll the system and stifle competition, harming consumers in the process?

The battle of the patents....

Google- 2006

http://patft1.uspto....3&RS=PN/7844603'

Voice interface for a search engine

Abstract

A system provides search results from a voice search query. The system receives a voice search query from a user, derives one or more recognition hypotheses, each being associated with a weight, from the voice search query, and constructs a weighted boolean query using the recognition hypotheses. The system then provides the weighted boolean query to a search system and provides the results of the search system to a user.

VS.

Apple 2011

http://patft.uspto.g...4&RS=PN/8086604

Universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system

Abstract

The present invention provides convenient access to items of information that are related to various descriptors input by a user, by means of a unitary interface which is capable of accessing information in a variety of locations, through a number of different techniques. Using a plurality of heuristic algorithms to operate upon information descriptors input by the user, the present invention locates and displays candidate items of information for selection and/or retrieval. Thus, the advantages of a search engine can be exploited, while listing only relevant object candidate items of information.

The true question does a device and the server it is connected to can be defined as a system..... ?? And does Googles other patents in reference to search pre-date the other patents such as searching the web which this said patent would use. The actual patents on Google search would Show only Relevant Objects which would be the "search system" from the first patent above.

Or let's just ignore the fact that Apple deliberately apply for patents that are as vague as possible to troll the system and stifle competition, harming consumers in the process?

Pretty smart move I'd say and apparently the system allows for it. ;)

For their bottom line, yes for other people no. It's rather staggering that people are so in love with brand names that they'll happily sit there and cheerlead things that harm them as consumers more than anyone else. If Apple have their way, they would eradicate Android altogether and the only people that can possibly lose in that scenario are users.

Pretty smart move I'd say and apparently the system allows for it. ;)

And it just goes to show just how jacked up of a system it is sadly. :pinch:

Here's a lovely info-graphic on the patent war. It's about a month old, but still interesting to see. Google ate up Motorola which should help with the 17k patents against them, and I believe the Oracle patent issues were thrown out against Google as well. And the Apple vs. Motorola one was thrown out for prejudice if memory serves right.

pzLjj.png

Pretty smart move I'd say and apparently the system allows for it. ;)

Apple wouldn't even dare to try the same thing here in the UK. Patents here have to be far more comprehensive rather than vague, back of a *** packet descriptions they get patents for in the ****ed up US patent system!!!

Competition is good for business, Apple just isn't!!!!

Wow.. Apple must be paying up big time to try to prevent competition in destroying iPhone. It's a disgrace what the legal system has become in this country.

I just hope Google manages to ban iPhone and IPads from US. This is truly insane.

Well, I don't like it, and still wont buy one. If they are the last ****ing smart phone in the US due to these stupid ****ing bans I wont have a phone. This **** is ****ing retarded, and until the people that buy the **** see what is happening its never going to change.

/OT

I don't honestly like what Apple is doing but I have access to both Galaxy Tab 10.1 (HC) and iPad2 from work. I am forcing myself to use the Gtab for past few days and I don't understand why Apple is worried about. It's a disaster on every level in terms of usability. :/

The battle of the patents....

Google- 2006

http://patft1.uspto....3&RS=PN/7844603'

VS.

Apple 2011

http://patft.uspto.g...4&RS=PN/8086604

The true question does a device and the server it is connected to can be defined as a system..... ?? And does Googles other patents in reference to search pre-date the other patents such as searching the web which this said patent would use. The actual patents on Google search would Show only Relevant Objects which would be the "search system" from the first patent above.

googles makes sense to me..

but apples looks like a mass of complicated words just strung together to sound good :s dont even understand wat apples patient is for :/

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Posts

    • Price Drop: Save 86% on Microsoft Office 2021 Professional Plus lifetime digital license by Steven Parker Today's highlighted deal comes via our Apps + Software section of the Neowin Deals store, where you can save 86% on a lifetime license to Microsoft Office 2021 for Windows. This bundle is for families and small businesses who want classic Office apps and email. It includes Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Teams, and OneNote. A one-time purchase installed on 1 Windows PC for use at home or work. Lifetime license for MS Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Teams, & OneNote One-time purchase installed on 1 Windows PC for use at home or work Instant Delivery & Download – access your software license keys and download links instantly Free customer service – only the best support! Microsoft Office Professional 2021 (for Windows) includes: Microsoft Office Word Microsoft Office Excel Microsoft Office PowerPoint Microsoft Office Outlook Microsoft Office Teams Microsoft Office OneNote Microsoft Office Publisher Microsoft Office Access No faffing about with subscriptions, just classic apps that don't expire. Good to Know ONE-TIME PURCHASE INSTALLED ON 1 DEVICE Redemption deadline: redeem your code within 30 days of purchase Access options: desktop Full versions No subscriptions – no monthly/annual fees Version: 2021 Updates included* *Support for this version of Office ends on Oct 13, 2026 A lifetime subscription to Microsoft Office 2021 Professional normally costs $219.99, but this deal can be yours for just $29.97, that's a saving of $190. For full terms, specifications, and license info, click the link below. Get Microsoft Office Professional 2021 for just $29.97, or learn more Although priced in U.S. dollars, this deal is available for digital purchase worldwide. Support queries If you have queries or need support for any of the Neowin Deals, please use the contact form here. Neowin Deals are managed and sold by StackCommerce who represent Neowin on an affiliate basis. Why we post these deals We post these because we earn commission on each sale so as not to rely solely on advertising, which many of our readers block. It all helps toward paying staff reporters, servers and hosting costs. So for those that keep moaning and complaining, be thankful we're still online for you to even do that. Other ways to support Neowin Whitelist Neowin by not blocking our ads Create a free member account to see fewer ads Make a donation to support our day to day running costs Subscribe to Neowin - for $14 a year, or $28 a year for an ad-free experience Disclosure: Neowin benefits from revenue of each sale made through our branded deals site powered by StackCommerce.
    • The only reason I want to know where you from is because if you are not from the U.K, then why should you care what we in the U.K do or don't do? Racist I am not, I am fed up with the amount coming over here and feel they can come over here and think we need to support them. Do you know how much it costs this country to support these people coming over here? Even when we give them a place to live it is not good enough. We had a barge that was being used to house immigrants, oh but that was not good enough. A mate said to me at the time, when he was homeless, he would have been happy to live on the barge, instead of ending up sleeping on a bench on the beach. I am not scared to say what my family heritage is, unlike you who is scared to say where they are from or where they live. Father side U.S, mother side Wales, still have family living in the U.S. A mate who sadly died a few years ago, had a load of people from different races recording in his studio, I got on with all of them. Skin colour don't bother me, where they are from don't bother me. Religion don't bother me as long as they don't push it onto me and it is not crazy stuff. I am not religious. But if you are not living in the U.K, then why should you care if we are in the E.U or not? This the problem, too many people poking their noses into where it don't belong. But you believe what you believe, if you think I am racist, then be it, I really do not care. Just grow a pair
    • If he hasn't been able to figure that out, then why is he obsessed with tariffs? Because that's one of the most prominent tools to level the playing field when you have high cost of labor.
    • Microsoft released Windows 11 KB5102558, KB5095615 Setup and Recovery updates by Sayan Sen This past week Microsoft released the newest preview update (C-release) under KB5095093. Alongside those, Microsoft also released new dynamic updates. For those who may not know, dynamic updates bring improvements to the Windows Recovery process in the form of Windows Recovery Environment (WinRE) updates, which are also called Safe OS updates. The dynamic updates also affect the Setup file binaries in the form of Setup updates. These Dynamic Update packages are meant to be applied to existing Windows images prior to their deployment. Dynamic Updates also help preserve Language Pack (LP) and Features on Demand (FODs) content during the upgrade process. VBScript, for example, is currently an FOD on Windows 11 24H2. This time both recovery and setup updates were released for Windows 11. The company writes: "KB5095186: Safe OS Dynamic Update for Windows 11, version 26H1: June 23, 2026 This update makes improvements to the Windows recovery environment (WinRE). After installing this update, the WinRE version installed on the device should be 10.0.28000.2335. KB5102558: Setup Dynamic Update for Windows 11, versions 24H2 and 25H2: June 23, 2026 This update makes improvements to Windows setup binaries or any files that setup uses for feature updates in Windows 11, version 24H2 and Windows 11, version 25H2. KB5095615: Safe OS Dynamic Update for Windows 11, versions 24H2 and 25H2: June 23, 2026 This update makes improvements to the Windows recovery environment (WinRE). After installing this update, the WinRE version installed on the device should be 10.0.26100.8737." Microsoft notes that both the Recovery and Setup updates will be downloaded and installed automatically via the Windows Update channel.
  • Recent Achievements

    • Conversation Starter
      jessse3334 earned a badge
      Conversation Starter
    • Reacting Well
      JuvenileDelinquent earned a badge
      Reacting Well
    • One Month Later
      Excellence2025 earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Week One Done
      Excellence2025 earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • Week One Done
      flexorcist earned a badge
      Week One Done
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      508
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      200
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      151
    4. 4
      Steven P.
      73
    5. 5
      macoman
      62
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!