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Oh wait, so when an airline does it to an Atheist they're just exercising their right as a business to exclude people from using their services, but the moment it's done to a Christian it's discrimination. I love how people's opinions on things like this flip flop depending on what the group being targeted by the business believes.

Oh!!! First post with common sense, thank you. :)

correct. But the issue at hand is, this is a PRIVATE company. nothing chick-fil-A is doing hurts the homosexuals. this is a pure business choice.on the opposite hand, a christian group spends money at a McDonalds and get the boot. seem strange? seems like something is wrong with this picture. I don't see the christians up in arms.

The article doesn't state that the christian group were paying customers, but it does state that they were not kicked out because of their religion. The no loitering policy was enforced after there had been complaints. No need for conspiracy theories.

And if you think that Chick-fil-a isn't doing anything that hurts homosexuals, then you might want to start reading around more, but something tells me that won't do any good.

Probably because Chick-fil-A isn't discriminating against them. The LGBT community can still eat there. It's not like they are not serving certain people.

Uh, how is Chick-fil-a not discriminating against them? I guess you bought their crap PR message that came out a few days ago. Yeah, the LGBT community can still eat at Chick-fil-a. I mean, what business would turn down money? What bothers me is that the company issues a statement saying that they don't discriminate, but in said statement, they don't disclose the fact that they financially support foundations that are "politically active in opposing same-sex marriage and other gay rights issues." http://en.wikipedia....ing_LGBT_issues

Basically using their own money against them.

correct. But the issue at hand is, this is a PRIVATE company. nothing chick-fil-A is doing hurts the homosexuals.

Actually, they've donated money to anti-gay causes that continue to support the infringement of gay rights.

on the opposite hand, a christian group spends money at a McDonalds and get the boot.

Actually, there is no mention at all that they spent money at McDonald's and - more importantly - they received complaints and disrupted the operation of the store.

You're deliberately misrepresenting the situation because you know when you look at the facts that McDonald's decision is defensible, whereas Chick-Fil-A's is not. You know you have the losing position when you have to make stuff up to make your point seem even vaguely credible.

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So why was the christian group discussing islam? Sounds to me like he was talkin smack and there was a complaint. I have no issues with people practicing their religion as long as A) you dont try to convert people that wnat to be left alone. and B) you don't trash other religions. Sounds like they broke B.

I love the people who say it is the boy scouts right to ban gays, but McDonald's can't ban someone because its not freedom then.

It's only freedom when it's not being done to christians.

You know someone in particular that has done what you say? Or does it just sound like a convenient argument?

You know someone in particular that has done what you say? Or does it just sound like a convenient argument?

It's pretty much the same whenever Christians are the "aggrieved" party. It's part of the whole Fox News lifestyle, if Christians don't get their own way on every front they're being oppressed.

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McDonalds is not a proper place to have any kind of religious/political gatherings. There are place dedicated for those purposes.

What if they are there studying. Is that ok? If not then what is different then studying for a math class or something. Is studying for a math class ok? I am curious on your opinion and ask because I see all sorts of groups studying at fast food restaurants in my area.

I would complain too. I think it rude to do that there. go to a community center or a park. If the manager does not want you in the restaurant doing that, it is his/her right.

A fast food restaurant is a place to eat and a park a place to play (and other things) but both are in public. Is there a difference of which location this christian group meets? A lot of people meet at restaurants all the time. Groups of people meet up at restaurants to watch sports. Is there a difference? Why is it wrong to have religious or political groups meet at these locations but not other types of groups?

What if they are there studying. Is that ok? If not then what is different then studying for a math class or something. Is studying for a math class ok? I am curious on your opinion and ask because I see all sorts of groups studying at fast food restaurants in my area.

A fast food restaurant is a place to eat and a park a place to play (and other things) but both are in public. Is there a difference of which location this christian group meets? A lot of people meet at restaurants all the time. Groups of people meet up at restaurants to watch sports. Is there a difference? Why is it wrong to have religious or political groups meet at these locations but not other types of groups?

Those people PAY to sit there and eat and watch sports.

The people in this story did not.

You know what is funny. There are gay people out there fighting for there rights to be accepted or allowed to participate or be in groups and there are people out there fighting to get rid of this christian groups right.

Lets just put everyone in a boxing ring and let them settle there problems.

You know what is funny. There are gay people out there fighting for there rights to be accepted or allowed to participate or be in groups and there are people out there fighting to get rid of this christian groups right.

Lets just put everyone in a boxing ring and let them settle there problems.

They don't have a right to "study" their religious beliefs anywhere they chose. They have churches/houses. Go there.

Those people PAY to sit there and eat and watch sports.

The people in this story did not.

I did not know the christian group was loitering and not paying customers. I do know I see a lot of people do the same at sports bars. People go in to talk to other people and watch sports but never buy products. Some people buy only one or a few bears. I even see people buy a soft drink and get free refills the whole time.

I can understand if the christian group were messing with people or something. I agree to that if they are not there to eat then why be there. But trying to use another example like sports (can be anything similarly related) I am trying to understand and see if there are differences and if so what are they and does it apply to one group and not the other.

They don't have a right to "study" their religious beliefs anywhere they chose. They have churches/houses. Go there.

How about someone studying for school. I see study groups for school at restaurants. Should they go to school or home?

Rights have nothing to do with it because it's a private organization and these people aren't being denied the ability to do this someplace else where it is allowed.

I did not know the christian group was loitering and not paying customers. I do know I see a lot of people do the same at sports bars. People go in to talk to other people and watch sports but never buy products. Some people buy only one or a few bears. I even see people buy a soft drink and get free refills the whole time.

I can understand if the christian group were messing with people or something. I agree to that if they are not there to eat then why be there. But trying to use another example like sports (can be anything similarly related) I am trying to understand and see if there are differences and if so what are they and does it apply to one group and not the other.

How about someone studying for school. I see study groups for school at restaurants. Should they go to school or home?

Could you imagine the convoluted mess there would be if we legislated all this? Fortunately for everyone involved, it's up to the business how to handle each situation.

What if they are there studying. Is that ok? If not then what is different then studying for a math class or something. Is studying for a math class ok? I am curious on your opinion and ask because I see all sorts of groups studying at fast food restaurants in my area.

A fast food restaurant is a place to eat and a park a place to play (and other things) but both are in public. Is there a difference of which location this christian group meets? A lot of people meet at restaurants all the time. Groups of people meet up at restaurants to watch sports. Is there a difference? Why is it wrong to have religious or political groups meet at these locations but not other types of groups?

Because a park is public space. Restaurant is OPEN to the public but is a private business. Meaning they have the authority to remove any persons that they want. It is not up to me. It up to the manager. It depends I seen some kids "studying" and get kicked out of a pizza hut before. Again it not my opinion....it is up to the owner or manager if a person or group can stay or not.

A fast food restaurant is a place to eat and a park a place to play (and other things) but both are in public.

But they aren't.

A restaurant is a private place.

The owners allow people to enter based on specific conditions, but that freedom to enter and stay can be removed at any time.

How about someone studying for school. I see study groups for school at restaurants. Should they go to school or home?

Are the religious people sitting at the tables QUIETLY reading their books and taking notes?? Im guessing the math people at your restaurants dont have a whiteboard and are preaching math problems out loud like the religious groups are.

Are the religious people sitting at the tables QUIETLY reading their books and taking notes?? Im guessing the math people at your restaurants dont have a whiteboard and are preaching math problems out loud like the religious groups are.

I don't know if the religious people are preaching or using a whiteboard as you suggest. I read the source article and it does not specify. The people in my area who are at local restaurants studying religion, school, or whatever are all quite and talking among them selves. I can barely hear them.

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