Windows 8 is the first OS that made me downgrade

[freak180]

My complaint is. Why the heck is there no clock on the start screen since it uses up the whole screen >.< The UI needs to be revamped big time. It looks like everything was made through using paint. Other than that., I welcome all the other new features. :)

[fix-this!]

As much as I tried to get used to Win 8, there is no way I'll go back to it. No those fake start buttons are crap. Yes they are. Just when you think Microsoft finally got it right with Win 7, someone in their R&D dept. decided that their main source of revenue needed major change. I understand the whole idea of integrating all MS devices together and trying to take over the world with a unified OS but when you force ridiculous **** down people's throat they go elsewhere. If Windows 8 becomes a requirement to run certain **** I'll switch to Ubuntu (or another Debian distro) in a heartbeat. I've been using Windows since 3.1 and never have I seen such a stupid decision since WinME. F*** *** MS.

i forsee alot of people "downgrading" back to w7 within the next 6 months.

[freak180]

ALSO! Due to WIndows 8's ugly UI, themers are going to be working hard developing better themes.

[yo popcaan]

This might be considered innovative for tablet users but Windows 8 running on tablets won't run the same software as on PC processors. Windows 8 is merely an alternative to an already saturated market. It looks shiny tho, and some people associate Windows with multimedia and games but will soon realize that either Android, iOS can already do what Win 8 Tablet can do + more due to their bigger market places. Windows is the leader in the PC market because it can do what other OSes still can't (Play most games and run the majority of business applications due to its own success in the past). To the average PC user Windows 8 is not revolutionary and not even worth the upgrade.

[Vice]

Its in Explorer, where the folders are, look on the ribbon. The reason its there is because you'll want to see the history for a particular folder or file, and you'll start from Explorer. That makes sense to me.

So is this Windows history thing actually backing my files up to a separate drive like Time Machine or not?

You have lost all credibility in your posts about why Windows 8 is bad compared to XYZ. You apparently haven't bothered to either read about it or use it.

Actually I have used it, just the OS is so poor it's almost impossible to find these features. Unlike in OS X.

And again the features that are there are much more inferior. Like comparing Notepad to Office.

[Boz]

If you don't like change then my advice to you is to get out of the IT industry. Change is the only thing we are assured of and we can plan for!

Nobody has issues with change.. I think a lot of us have issue with idiotic change and going backwards in productivity.

[Dot Matrix]

I would argue they aren't competitive with iCloud iTunes or Time Machine because they are so inferior. Like comparing Notepad to Microsoft Office.

From what I can tell XBOX Music doesn't sell Movies or TV shows like iTunes does. Does it have any Airplay like capability?

Are you honestly slamming Windows 8 without even knowing what's in it?

Both Xbox Music and Xbox Video have purchasing options for music and video.

Media Center still has all it's functionality as well. Users who still want to use Media Center with it's play to features can get it for free, if they take advantage of the upgrade offer.

Windows Media Player still has its play to features as well.

What kind of integration does Sky Drive have with the Windows Calendar, Email? Does it sync notes? Does Windows even have Notes or Reminders?

Are you serious? There's been a Notes app in Windows since Seven. OneNote MX also fits this bill. How do you not know of these? Also, SkyDrive and Windows Calendar, Email work off of a Microsoft ID. You sign in, and there's your stuff. I can type a new meeting or note on my Windows Phone's calendar, and it'll show up on the calendar app in Windows 8 in under 5 seconds.

And where is this Windows History thing you speak of? Where has Microsoft hidden this important feature. God this OS is so confused about what it is and overly complicated. How can they both make something so simple as the Metro interface (just a bunch of giant boxes) and at the same time manage to make important things like just backing up your files so difficult? I guess Microsoft finds a way.

Again, it's not too hard to find. There is a button on the Ribbon in Explorer, or you can search for it in the Control Panel. This isn't any different than using Windows 7. Why do you make it out to be?

Anyway apart from those points at the bottom of my post this OS is rubbish.

I upgraded to XP, Vista and 7 on Day 1. I liked them all. I run Windows Server 2008 R2 on my server currently and before that I ran Windows Server 2003. This is literally the first version of Windows that is so ****ty I won't be upgrading. That is really saying something considering I'm a computer enthusiast and have been using Windows on all my self builds since I began building.

No, you're just making it out to be. Your points make no sense at all, when I can debunk them using methods that are no different than using Windows 7.

So is this Windows history thing actually backing my files up to a separate drive like Time Machine or not?

Actually I have used it, just the OS is so poor it's almost impossible to find these features. Unlike in OS X.

And again the features that are there are much more inferior. Like comparing Notepad to Office.

No, it's not, again, you're making it out to be. And yes, File History can save to another drive. If you gave it a try instead of bitching about it, we wouldn't be here.

[fix-this!]

ALSO! Due to WIndows 8's ugly UI, themers are going to be working hard developing better themes.

probably, im sure eventually you will be able to disable metro and make w8 look like w7 but i don't see the need to have to hack my OS when i could just run the real deal.

[freak180]

i forsee alot of people "downgrading" back to w7 within the next 6 months.

I don't agree with this. Most people are judgmental at first site and this is exactly what's going to happen with Windows 8. I would say give them a week or 2 to downgrade. If its 6 months later by than they will just "live with it"

[fix-this!]

I don't agree with this. Most people are judgmental at first site and this is exactly what's going to happen with Windows 8. I would say give them a week or 2 to downgrade. If its 6 months later by than they will just "live with it"

no becuase alot of people won't even touch w8 unless they buy a new computer this holiday season with w8 pre-installed. thats why i say within the next 6 months.

[Vice]

Are you honestly slamming Windows 8 without even knowing what's in it?

Both Xbox Music and Xbox Video have purchasing options for music and video.

Media Center still has all it's functionality as well. Users who still want to use Media Center with it's play to features can get it for free, if they take advantage of the upgrade offer.

Windows Media Player still has its play to features as well.

Are you serious? There's been a Notes app in Windows since Seven. OneNote MX also fits this bill. How do you not know of these? Also, SkyDrive and Windows Calendar, Email work off of a Microsoft ID. You sign in, and there's your stuff. I can type a new meeting or note on my Windows Phone's calendar, and it'll show up on the calendar app in Windows 8 in under 5 seconds.

Again, it's not too hard to find. There is a button on the Ribbon in Explorer, or you can search for it in the Control Panel. This isn't any different than using Windows 7. Why do you make it out to be?

No, you're just making it out to be. Your points make no sense at all, when I can debunk them using methods that are no different than using Windows 7.

Sorry I'm not using Metro. So where is the desktop version of XBOX Music and XBOX Video? :) To compete with iTunes it has to be a desktop app. I have a keyboard and mouse not a touch screen.

Also that history thing is buried and you're not seriously comparing sticky notes to notes in OS X are you? - Notes syncs to all my devices and shows all my notes together and makes them searchable, sticky notes is just well like a glorified widget showing one note per instance. That's crap. Also where is Reminders?

[freak180]

probably, im sure eventually you will be able to disable metro and make w8 look like w7 but i don't see the need to have to hack my OS when i could just run the real deal.

I feel the same way. But I felt like they could of done a much better job with the explorer window, that's all. It wouldnt hurt to change the icons as well. I always hated the Library icons lol

[BajiRav]

So is this Windows history thing actually backing my files up to a separate drive like Time Machine or not?

Actually I have used it, just the OS is so poor it's almost impossible to find these features. Unlike in OS X.

And again the features that are there are much more inferior. Like comparing Notepad to Office.

I guess it will be never good enough for you because it is not like OS X? If you had actually used it (the green part), why do you need to ask(the red part)? I don't use Time Machine so I wouldn't know if it is better or worse than File history but you apparently know without knowing or using it? :/

My complaint is. Why the heck is there no clock on the start screen since it uses up the whole screen >.< The UI needs to be revamped big time. It looks like everything was made through using paint. Other than that., I welcome all the other new features. :)

This is a valid complaint and similar to Windows Phone although they did make that change in Windows Phone but not here for some reason. :)

[Vice]

I guess it will be never good enough for you because it is not like OS X? If you had actually used it (the green part), why do you need to ask(the red part)? I don't use Time Machine so I wouldn't know if it is better or worse than File history but you apparently know without knowing or using it? :/

Because the feature is hard to find? - Windows HIstory doesn't sound like Windows Backup to me. And Microsoft have not put out any ads informing the public of this feature. Time Machine also doesn't say it's a backup solution but Apple went to great lengths to advertise it when they introduced it about 5 years ago.

Windows History sounds like something for looking at your recent renames / deletions / copied files and being able to undo them. It doesn't sound like a backup solution in my opinion.

And of course I'm going to compare it to OS X it's the main competitor and it's the other OS I use. So when comparing Windows 8 to my experiences I'm going to compare it to its main competition. If I were to compare it to Windows 7 what could I say ? Well it's Windows 7 with Metro. That wouldn't add much to the comparison really would it? Comparing it to a three year old OS.

[BajiRav]

Sorry I'm not using Metro. So where is the desktop version of XBOX Music and XBOX Video? :) To compete with iTunes it has to be a desktop app. I have a keyboard and mouse not a touch screen.

No it doesn't have to be anything like iTunes although you can use kb/m with the metro app if you actually tried using Windows 8 instead of just slamming it.

[oliver182]

"No Time Machine, iTunes or iCloud competitor, no one needs those anyways what they need is giant boxes and an extra toolbox in Explorer!"

history vault? Zune/Xbox music? Skydrive?

[BajiRav]

Because the feature is hard to find? - Windows HIstory doesn't sound like Windows Backup to me. And Microsoft have not put out any ads informing the public of this feature. Time Machine also doesn't say it's a backup solution but Apple went to great lengths to advertise it when they introduced it about 5 years ago.

Windows History sounds like something for looking at your recent renames / deletions / copied files and being able to undo them. It doesn't sound like a backup solution in my opinion.

And of course I'm going to compare it to OS X it's the main competitor and it's the other OS I use. So when comparing Windows 8 to my experiences I'm going to compare it to its main competition. If I were to compare it to Windows 7 what could I say ? Well it's Windows 7 with Metro. That wouldn't add much to the comparison really would it? Comparing it to a three year old OS.

What is this Windows History you speak of?

[Vice]

What is this Windows History you speak of?

The History button inside the Windows Explorer.

No it doesn't have to be anything like iTunes although you can use kb/m with the metro app if you actually tried using Windows 8 instead of just slamming it.

http://i.imgur.com/zYPwR.jpg

What now?

[simplezz]

To be fair, most businesses upgrade on a 2 or 3 year cycle, so it's standard practice to skip a Windows version; hence going from XP to Windows 7. Next one to go to will be Windows 9.

Microsoft know this VERY well, which is why Windows 8 is so consumer centric.

But if Windows 9's UI is still startscreen/tile based, I think that's going to be just as hard sell as Windows 8.

[Vice]

Also can you tell me where Windows File History explains it is a backup solution? On my left Explorer window I can't even see a History button and on the right once I've found the button (Home -> History) it doesn't even explain what the feature is or does.

[.Neo]

No, it's not, again, you're making it out to be. And yes, File History can save to another drive. If you gave it a try instead of bitching about it, we wouldn't be here.

The main problem is these features aren't really promoted enough by Microsoft nor are they implemented in a way it speaks to the imagination. I honestly don't know any average user that uses File History (or whatever it was called in Windows 7). In most cases they simply don't realize it's there or what it is to begin with. Apple on the other hand actively promotes Time Machine, explains what the feature does in layman terms and made the interface fun to use adding to the overall experience.

[Wakers]

Because you actually don't need them if you know what you're doing.

Don't need Windows updates? I rest my case.

[Vice]

The main problem is these features aren't really promoted enough nor are they implemented in a way it speaks to the imagination. I honestly don't know any average user that uses File History, in most cases they simply won't realize it's there. Apple on the other hand actively promotes Time Machine and made the interface fun to use adding to the overall experience.

This is my point exactly. I have been using Windows 8 since the first consumer preview and I had no idea this backup thing existed until now. Really. Microsoft needs to make these features more prominent especially backing up considering how few people do it. I remember when I first logged in to OS X Leopard it actually told me about Time Machine just during the upgrade while it installed the OS.

[.Neo]

This is my point exactly. I have been using Windows 8 since the first consumer preview and I had no idea this backup thing existed until now. Really. Microsoft needs to make these features more prominent especially backing up considering how few people do it. I remember when I first logged in to OS X Leopard it actually told me about Time Machine just during the upgrade while it installed the OS.

When Time Machine is turned off and you plug in an external drive OS X will ask you to use that drive to backup to. I have no idea if Windows does that.

[Vice]

When Time Machine is turned off and you plug in an external drive OS X will ask you to use that drive to backup to. I have no idea if Windows does that.

That's a great feature too. One Windows 8 should adopt if it hasn't done so already.