Windows 8 is the first OS that made me downgrade

[PGHammer]

I'm finding my way around but, I'm not too keen on the keyboard combos. desktop to metro using ctrl esc how in the world so I open an app?

the feel seems like a trendy fad. seems like each version. oh well.

Actually, you can use the standard key combo (Alt+F4) to close any WinRT app.

The issue is that Android is not a fad, and is stealing sales from Windows *right now*. All the critics of Windows 8's UI seem to be either dismissing Android, or are daring to suggest that Microsoft actually ignore it. Android must be faced, and faced head-on.

[FRaNTiC]

Oh dear... All issues which you describe are easy to fix.

Also there are a very easy way to make the startmenu more interesting:

- remove "all programs"

- add a scroll bar to the pinned area (like in all programs)

- just allow .exe files to pin

- add separators instead of folders

- do not allow installers to add the crap in there

Why don't u got back to windows 3.1 and "fix" things to make it more usable, while the rest of the world move forward with win8?

[Dot Matrix]

That's a different story. I just found it highly unlikely you'll be harnessing the "full power of Windows" on the hardware provided by a Surface.

The Surface Pro is nothing to laugh at hardware wise.

[Dot Matrix]

Problem with that post was that almost ALL the "issues" raised by the OP were debunked in the following posts

Most of those "issues" can be alleviated by exercising your brain, rather waiting to be spoonfed

For instance my post that followed it pointed out that theres no lock on the All Programs folder, and you can organise your apps into category folders of your own choosing, amongst other 5 second tips.

Lazy users create issues where there dont need to be, nor do they exist most times

Oh and Win 8 sucks and i have advised all users i support that i wont be using it myself and nor will i support it, just as i didnt support Windows ME, of which this is the latest incarnation

MS:

Want to sell a tablet...ok

Want to create a tablet version of an OS for that tablet...OK

Force everyone on non-tablet devices to use kindergarten interface with a hard on for social networking (i personally think anyone with a facebook account or access to a twitter account should be neutered so their shallowness doesnt completely weaken the human genome)....not OK

They will survive to rue the day they were conned by some myopic ****** in their midst at MS who stared over the fence at Apples gear, but why go through with it when the overwhelming feedback even early on was bad? Ignore your userbase at your peril.

Fsck me, id rather us MS Bob than that ****

Thats the way i feel, i have been with MS since the first MS-DOS, and MS has really lost me with this crap.

And you call me lazy?

[.Neo]

The Surface Pro is nothing to laugh at hardware wise.

Since the Surface Pro is basically an ultrabook in that regard it doesn't come near the processing power of a high-end desktop or notebook even. Doesn't matter how you keep spinning this around if you truly need the "full power of Windows" you'll get one of those and still end up with two devices.

There's really no shame in admitting it Dot Matrix; I can't give up my 27-inch iMac for a MacBook Air either. One way or the other I'll still end up with a desktop + something ultra portable.

[Dot Matrix]

Since it's basically an ultrabook in that regard it doesn't come near the processing power of a high-end desktop or notebook even. As I said, if you truly need the "full power of Windows" you'll get one of those and still end up with two devices.

How does an ultrabook not give me the full power of Windows? The Surface will allow me to be mobile, yet still have access to the Windows Desktop, and Office in one device.

[.Neo]

How does an ultrabook not give me the full power of Windows? The Surface will allow me to be mobile, yet still have access to the Windows Desktop, and Office in one device.

Since it's highly likely you'll require heavier hardware for that either way. Which ultimately means you'll end up with two devices regardless (that's what our conversation was about remember?). There's also no reason Microsoft Office can't run in Metro if Microsoft does things right.

[ZombieFly]

I wonder how many of you actually sat down with the OS with a clear mind and didn't scoff at it the first second you saw it. The best way to go about ANY changes to ANY platform or app is to approach with a clear mind, and many, many free hours. Windows 8 requires you to suspend any previous conceptions about operating systems. Give the hardware time to catch up, and by Windows 9, I guarantee some of you will have changed your opinion.

I personally can't wait to augment my desktop with a touch screen. Touch input is quicker and more efficient than the mouse is in some cases.

your statement is insane. how exactly do you expect to work with a touch screen monitor? will you have your arms stretched out infront of you moving things around? if that's the case, you'll be in hospital within weeks with serious problems due to the bad ergonomics. I have a small logitech touchpad thing which I thought would improve matters (so you cant accuse me of not trying with win8). While it made things better, it was still a bizarre change where no change was needed and the hardware couldn't handle multitouch (logitech's fault)...

The bottom line here is that this OS has NO PLACE on a desktop or on a server. The decision to force the UI down our throats after years of tweaking and honing the desktop experience is a failure of Microsoft. Yes, on a tablet, this thing makes some kind of sense, it's exactly what's required in that area.

Answer me this:

Microsoft have been running a certification programme for windows apps over the years, if you comply with those design principles, you get certification. This certification was about layout, ease of access and reducing clicks/movement to get access to what you want fast. Do you not find it ironic that their whole metro interface ignores these principles for desktop users? How is having a full screen badly organised menu better than the start menu on a desktop? what happened to the years of development and tuning? it's all been chopped out. Even worse, they've stuck that sodding interface (with references to tablet/pc) in the server product line. What the hell is it doing there?

I think it was Nostradamus that said "Windows 9 will come in 2 flavours. one for tablets and building on the interface formerly known as metro, the desktop/server versions will return to something like windows 7". Who knows what though. maybe we'll just get c:\ and a flashing cursor?

...and, have you seen what they've done to visual studio 2012? oh dear

don't get me wrong, I can't wait to get a win8 tablet device. i'm really looking forward to that. But everyone saying that people can't handle change and "this always happens, look what happens when facebook is updated" are clearly off the page. For a desktop user, this is NOT change for the better, it's change because the bloke that designed metro won some awards and they've gone crazy and decided that is the way forward. This is NOT a good idea, I think for desktop/corporate uptake, they've dropped a ball bigger than Microsoft BOB/ME and Vista all wrapped up together.

[c.grz]

your statement is insane. how exactly do you expect to work with a touch screen monitor? will you have your arms stretched out infront of you moving things around? if that's the case, you'll be in hospital within weeks with serious problems due to the bad ergonomics.

And constant use of keyboard and mouse don't cause problems? Ever hear of carpal tunnel?

I have a touch screen and I don't spend the whole time with my arms outstreched; I reach out do what I need to do and back down again.

[bandit_liberty_rumble]

if it actually WERE a strictly tablet UI, it should, if anything, be *easier* to get around with with a mouse - not harder.

Maybe a little easier for the simplest of actions, i.e. clicking a button. Just because of the larger click targets. But what about cursor travel distances, non-obvious mousing alternatives for gesture-activated functionality, missing tooltips, missing hover state, missing drag-and-drop functionality ,missing right-click functionality for context actions, a missing windowing system, etc. etc.

[Dot Matrix]

your statement is insane. how exactly do you expect to work with a touch screen monitor? will you have your arms stretched out infront of you moving things around? if that's the case, you'll be in hospital within weeks with serious problems due to the bad ergonomics. I have a small logitech touchpad thing which I thought would improve matters (so you cant accuse me of not trying with win8). While it made things better, it was still a bizarre change where no change was needed and the hardware couldn't handle multitouch (logitech's fault)...

The bottom line here is that this OS has NO PLACE on a desktop or on a server. The decision to force the UI down our throats after years of tweaking and honing the desktop experience is a failure of Microsoft. Yes, on a tablet, this thing makes some kind of sense, it's exactly what's required in that area.

Answer me this:

Microsoft have been running a certification programme for windows apps over the years, if you comply with those design principles, you get certification. This certification was about layout, ease of access and reducing clicks/movement to get access to what you want fast. Do you not find it ironic that their whole metro interface ignores these principles for desktop users? How is having a full screen badly organised menu better than the start menu on a desktop? what happened to the years of development and tuning? it's all been chopped out. Even worse, they've stuck that sodding interface (with references to tablet/pc) in the server product line. What the hell is it doing there?

I think it was Nostradamus that said "Windows 9 will come in 2 flavours. one for tablets and building on the interface formerly known as metro, the desktop/server versions will return to something like windows 7". Who knows what though. maybe we'll just get c:\ and a flashing cursor?

...and, have you seen what they've done to visual studio 2012? oh dear

don't get me wrong, I can't wait to get a win8 tablet device. i'm really looking forward to that. But everyone saying that people can't handle change and "this always happens, look what happens when facebook is updated" are clearly off the page. For a desktop user, this is NOT change for the better, it's change because the bloke that designed metro won some awards and they've gone crazy and decided that is the way forward. This is NOT a good idea, I think for desktop/corporate uptake, they've dropped a ball bigger than Microsoft BOB/ME and Vista all wrapped up together.

This...

And constant use of keyboard and mouse don't cause problems? Ever hear of carpal tunnel?

I have a touch screen and I don't spend the whole time with my arms outstreched; I reach out do what I need to do and back down again.

[Guest LiquidCrystalMeth]

And you call me lazy?

You bolded these phrases in my post, and i fail to see why you then reply with "And you call me lazy?"

Lazy users create issues where there dont need to be, nor do they exist most times

I stand by that comment, most of the "issues" you put forward were trivial things which can be solved by the user in the current version of windows with a small amount of effort or in worst case scenario, a 3rd party app. If you think the ONLY way that these "issues" can be resolved is by a new OS, and in particular by this Win 8 monstrosity which you tout as the holy and only answer to these "issues", than i weep for humanity.

I weep for humanity most days though...reality tv, tv made for 12-14 year old girls, awful musak masquerading as music, and particularly the net.

I weep for gopher some days, at least back when that was a protocol, any information you got returned was useful and didnt relate toa kardashian or a bieber. I remember before the web, when you connected up you had a 99% degree of certainty that the lifeforms you encountered had an IQ.

i have advised all users i support that i wont be using it myself and nor will i support it

Thats not being lazy, that just letting them know i wont be supporting, not out of laziness, because its not the OS for my users, none of them have touchscreens for a start, they will be confused by all the changes, so if they choose to use it, they can seek their support elsewhere. Its making a stand, not being lazy. Theres a large difference. I dont see why i should i carry the ball for Microsoft when they have designed an OS that will confuse most of the users i deal with. I dont think it will have that much of an impact in any event, lol most of them havent gotten any further about even thinking about getting it than the godawful mess that is the Metro start screen.

Why Microsoft wanted to shift to a new paradigm when better probably then 95% of people were quite happy with Windows 7 and found it suitably functional and usable is beyond me.....changing for changes sake is retarded. The other 5% are social networking ******s and people who want to seem all "cutting edge" in internet forums

I give it a couple of months after general retail release before you see the board of MS in redmond walk the idiots responsible for this travesty out onto the front lawn at HQ at put two rounds in the heads of everyone responsible, live on TV, as a message of contrition, that they were wrong, and theyre sorry for ****ing their long term userbase over.

Because at this rate thats what its going to take to get many of us back on board for anything beyond Windows 8

[ahhell]

I give it a couple of months after general retail release before you see the board of MS in redmond walk the idiots responsible for this travesty out onto the front lawn at HQ at put two rounds in the heads of everone responsible, live on TV, as a message that they were wrong, and theyre sorry for ****ing their long term userbase over.

Because at thsi rate thats what its going to take to get many of us back on board for anything beyond Windows 8

No. In a couple of months, MS will have sold millions of copies and no one will give a **** about a bunch of whiners on an internet forum. Win8 isn't going anywhere so deal with it.

[Woelfel]

I can't wait to see the majority of users reactions compared to the "tech" community.

EDIT: By the way, seeing as most people are on a web browser more than any other application nowadays...I hardly see where Windows 8 will have a "big" problem.

[ZombieFly]

No. In a couple of months, MS will have sold millions of copies and no one will give a **** about a bunch of whiners on an internet forum. Win8 isn't going anywhere so deal with it.

it's quite ironic that you are "hating iSheep" in your sig and then telling everyone to deal with it when we are being dictated to by Microsoft in a way that looks suspiciously like Apple (i.e. one size fits all, no customisation, this is how it is so get on with it)

Also I have heard of carpal tunnel syndrome and my workstation has been assessed for the use of a desktop pc with monitors and a keyboard and mouse. It's interesting that if I was stretching my arms out and sliding things around the screen, I would not pass any current assessment used under health and safety rules in the UK.

[Dot Matrix]

You bolded these phrases in my post, and i fail to see why you then reply with "And you call me lazy?"

Lazy users create issues where there dont need to be, nor do they exist most times

I stand by that comment, most of the "issues" you put forward were trivial things which can be solved by the user in the current version of windows with a small amount of effort or in worst case scenario, a 3rd party app. If you think the ONLY way that these "issues" can be resolved is by a new OS, and in particular by this Win 8 monstrosity which you tout as the holy and only answer to these "issues", than i weep for humanity.

I weep for humanity most days though...reality tv, tv made for 12-14 year old girls, awful musak masquerading as music, and particularly the net.

I weep for gopher some days, at least back when that was a protocol, any information you got returned was useful and didnt relate toa kardashian or a bieber. I remember before the web, when you connected up you had a 99% degree of certainty that the lifeforms you encountered had an IQ.

i have advised all users i support that i wont be using it myself and nor will i support it

Thats not being lazy, that just letting them know i wont be supporting, not out of laziness, because its not the OS for my users, none of them have touchscreens for a start, they will be confused by all the changes, so if they choose to use it, they can seek their support elsewhere. Its making a stand, not being lazy. Theres a large difference. I dont see why i should i carry the ball for Microsoft when they have designed an OS that will confuse most of the users i deal with. I dont think it will have that much of an impact in any event, lol most of them havent gotten any further about even thinking about getting it than the godawful mess that is the Metro start screen.

Why Microsoft wanted to shift to a new paradigm when better probably then 95% of people were quite happy with Windows 7 and found it suitably functional and usable is beyond me.....changing for changes sake is retarded. The other 5% are social networking ******s and people who want to seem all "cutting edge" in internet forums

I give it a couple of months after general retail release before you see the board of MS in redmond walk the idiots responsible for this travesty out onto the front lawn at HQ at put two rounds in the heads of everyone responsible, live on TV, as a message of contrition, that they were wrong, and theyre sorry for ****ing their long term userbase over.

Because at this rate thats what its going to take to get many of us back on board for anything beyond Windows 8

This isn't change for the sake of change. Look around the need for it is there. iOS and Android are encroaching on Windows' territory. Android has even shown interest on moving to the desktop space. iPads are replacing laptops. Mobile app development has maimed desktop development. Tell me the need for change isn't there?

Also, personally, I support everything I can. It's good business. I'm not going to tell people NO for the choices they make. If someone wants to use Windows 8, good for them. If they want to use Windows 7, good for them too. And if you really want to know, I had a potential employer thrilled to see that I had "beta testing Windows 8" on my resume. He told me it showed initiative. I'm just saying, don't knock it just because you don't like it.

[CG-88]

because its not the OS for my users, none of them have touchscreens for a start, they will be confused by all the changes.

Why Microsoft wanted to shift to a new paradigm when better probably then 95% of people were quite happy with Windows 7 and found it suitably functional and usable is beyond me.....changing for changes sake is retarded. The other 5% are social networking ******s and people who want to seem all "cutting edge" in internet forums

While I agree that your user base may not need to upgrade if they are getting everythig they need from 7 or whatever they use, what difference does it make if they have touchscreens or not, just go to desktop mode.

Confused by changes....go to desktop mode and its windows 7. And this isnt me having a dig its just that I think that most of the complaints would only be relevant if windows 8 was PURELY metro based.

Yeah 95% of people were probably happy with Windows 7 and they could continue to be happy with Windows 8 in desktop mode if they could get past the flood of blog/messageboard negativity regarding W8 and accept the fact that MSFT cannot let themselves get left behind in terms of touchscreen technology and integration in the OS. They havent shifted to a new paradigm, they have kept the underlying OS in desktop mode but added new features to help with the touchscreen element.

Meh, I just dont understand peoples complaints, what if MSFT had released W8 with the options to boot to desktop without using metro OR turning metro off completely....I reckon alot of the arguments would stop.

[.Neo]

I have a touch screen and I don't spend the whole time with my arms outstreched; I reach out do what I need to do and back down again.

Having to sit up, stretch out your arm, try to touch whatever it is you need on-screen and back down again can't be easier or time saving compared to simply using your mouse or trackpad.

In combination with this iMac I bought myself a Magic Trackpad giving me access to all the multi-touch gestures I have on my iPad as well only this time around within OS X. It's much more convenient than trying to execute said gestures on a vertical screen. Not to mention I don't have to worry about smudges.

Overal I'm finding it fairly amusing that some here try to convince us it's by any means practical to use multi-touch gestures on a vertical panel. Really it isn't.

[PGHammer]

This isn't change for the sake of change. Look around the need for it is there. iOS and Android are encroaching on Windows' territory. Android has even shown interest on moving to the desktop space. iPads are replacing laptops. Mobile app development has maimed desktop development. Tell me the need for change isn't there?

Also, personally, I support everything I can. It's good business. I'm not going to tell people NO for the choices they make. If someone wants to use Windows 8, good for them. If they want to use Windows 7, good for them too. And if you really want to know, I had a potential employer thrilled to see that I had "beta testing Windows 8" on my resume. He told me it showed initiative. I'm just saying, don't knock it just because you don't like it.

Dot, the thing is, they see the encroachment of Android and iOS on Windows, and they either do not care, or think that it is entirely driven by the poor economy.. While they may have a point on the poor economy, I don't see that going away overnight. That means that, regardless of WHAT is driving it, the encroachment is real enough, and certainly must be dealt with; Microsoft can no more ignore it than a vampire can ignore the sunrise - ignorance, in either case, can get you killed.

Ignoring the encroachment would be an act of arrogance and hubris that Microsoft - of all companies - knows better than to engage in. It is precisely that reason that bugs me about any (in fact every) attempt by those that criticize Windows 8's admittedly-radical UI to basically ask Microsoft to BE full of arrogance and hubris and therefore ignore the trend staring it in the face.

[FRaNTiC]

your statement is insane. how exactly do you expect to work with a touch screen monitor? will you have your arms stretched out infront of you moving things around? if that's the case, you'll be in hospital within weeks with serious problems due to the bad ergonomics. I have a small logitech touchpad thing which I thought would improve matters (so you cant accuse me of not trying with win8). While it made things better, it was still a bizarre change where no change was needed and the hardware couldn't handle multitouch (logitech's fault)...

The bottom line here is that this OS has NO PLACE on a desktop or on a server. The decision to force the UI down our throats after years of tweaking and honing the desktop experience is a failure of Microsoft. Yes, on a tablet, this thing makes some kind of sense, it's exactly what's required in that area.

Answer me this:

Microsoft have been running a certification programme for windows apps over the years, if you comply with those design principles, you get certification. This certification was about layout, ease of access and reducing clicks/movement to get access to what you want fast. Do you not find it ironic that their whole metro interface ignores these principles for desktop users? How is having a full screen badly organised menu better than the start menu on a desktop? what happened to the years of development and tuning? it's all been chopped out. Even worse, they've stuck that sodding interface (with references to tablet/pc) in the server product line. What the hell is it doing there?

I think it was Nostradamus that said "Windows 9 will come in 2 flavours. one for tablets and building on the interface formerly known as metro, the desktop/server versions will return to something like windows 7". Who knows what though. maybe we'll just get c:\ and a flashing cursor?

...and, have you seen what they've done to visual studio 2012? oh dear

don't get me wrong, I can't wait to get a win8 tablet device. i'm really looking forward to that. But everyone saying that people can't handle change and "this always happens, look what happens when facebook is updated" are clearly off the page. For a desktop user, this is NOT change for the better, it's change because the bloke that designed metro won some awards and they've gone crazy and decided that is the way forward. This is NOT a good idea, I think for desktop/corporate uptake, they've dropped a ball bigger than Microsoft BOB/ME and Vista all wrapped up together.

Can you prove the start menu is better? No u can't, thus another ignorant point.

Win8 haters make me remember that movie, shutter island... there some mental impairment going on here, denial isn't just a river in egypt.

*clap clap

So annoying,

U can?t minimize in win8!

Yes u can, u can?t minimize just metro apps, but u can do something better, u can snap them.

Whatever, nobody likes win8, check out the forums.

U can?t scroll in win8!

Yes u can.

I was talking about metro, u can only scroll left and right

Because there?s nothing up and down?

Whatever, I don?t like win8, and everyone agrees with me!

Seriously, all this win8 hate have been just surreal. Its like all the sudden I was transported to another dimension where 99% of the people didn't used the desktop or third party apps to organize shortcuts because the start menu sucked so bad. I honesty would love someone to first, explain why there are apps like objectdock, rocketdock, fences etc? if the start menu is so great? And then do an in depth description of their use of the start menu. Really curious to know what the fuss is all about.

Are people really trying to sell that, moving your cursor precisely within a circle, click, navigate to all programs, click, navigate to the folder of the shortcut, click and click again on the shortcut is better than move your cursor anywhere in bottom left corner, scroll left and click? lol really?

U point out the greatness of the search in win8, and u get ?guess what in win7 you don?t need to use the keyboard!!? So at which point do people start using the kb? Do people use the mouse to write in word? So if I press the key w in the metro and then click on the shortcut, I?m losing productivity? Am I losing productivity by pressing ?r? and then clicking the shortcut compared to navigate to all programs, click, navigate to accessories, click and finally clicking on remote desktop? Really?

Don?t really like the search? Don't worry, Metro allows u to pin your favorites shortcuts in a much bigger functioning amount compared to the start menu, period!

Win8 boot faster on a 5400rpm drive vs win7 on a ssd, period!

Win8 is way more responsive than win7 within the same hardware resources, period!

And guess what? it even have some cool metro apps? I?m loving the remote desktop metro app.

So yeah people keep whining while the rest of the world moves forward.

How hilarious it is to see the same people bashing Metro, explaining how it's easy to fix the start menu, and calling people lazy for not fixing the start menu? lol surreal

Metro sucks! Start menu is great!!

Start menu limitations exposed..

* Crying "But u can fix it!!!!"

I'm so out of this thread.

[Guest LiquidCrystalMeth]

This isn't change for the sake of change. Look around the need for it is there. iOS and Android are encroaching on Windows' territory. Android has even shown interest on moving to the desktop space. iPads are replacing laptops. Mobile app development has maimed desktop development. Tell me the need for change isn't there?

Also, personally, I support everything I can. It's good business. I'm not going to tell people NO for the choices they make. If someone wants to use Windows 8, good for them. If they want to use Windows 7, good for them too. And if you really want to know, I had a potential employer thrilled to see that I had "beta testing Windows 8" on my resume. He told me it showed initiative. I'm just saying, don't knock it just because you don't like it.

You mention iOS and Android and mobile and every other possible example that is a non desktop platform. I dont think youre getting the point. Most people will use Windows 8 on a DESKTOP.

I bolded it for you so you finally get it

iOS and Android are encroaching on Windows' territory

MS thought process: I know, lets developp a gaudy desktop that will alienate our long term users, and will actually make it harder and more confusing to use....

Way to fight back!

iPads are replacing laptop

Damn, youre right, i havent seen a new model laptop brought out in oh, about 3 weeks

iPads and actually tablets are toys for hipster douches and will die out long before laptops do.

Im always finding myself thinking "I need to work, i know, ill buy something thats half a computer, yet still needs a computer to connect to to function as its essentially a slave device. But it WILL look cool when im on the train" Thats is until you notice every other douche on the train has one too. I have never seen a more clearer sign (other than facebook) that humanity is doomed, as we are producing a generation of social cripples, than when i walked into Apple night at our local computer club and saw 24 people sitting at a table plonking away on their iPad's for 4 hours, and not speaking to each other the ENTIRE time.

Im tired of poking holes in your story and thin veneer that your lust for Windows 8 has placed over your perception of reality.

Im heading off to bed.

[Dot Matrix]

Ignoring the encroachment would be an act of arrogance and hubris that Microsoft - of all companies - knows better than to engage in. It is precisely that reason that bugs me about any (in fact every) attempt by those that criticize Windows 8's admittedly-radical UI to basically ask Microsoft to BE full of arrogance and hubris and therefore ignore the trend staring it in the face.

The thing of it is, they did this with Windows 7, and as great as it is, it inspired little app development, and utterly failed on tablet and touchscreen hardware.

[c.grz]

Having to sit up, stretch out your arm, try to touch whatever it is you need on-screen and back down again can't be easier or time saving compared to simply using your mouse or trackpad.

In combination with this iMac I bought myself a Magic Trackpad giving me access to all the multi-touch gestures I have on my iPad as well only this time around within OS X. It's much more convenient than trying to execute said gestures on a vertical screen. Not to mention I don't have to worry about smudges.

Overal I'm finding it fairly amusing that some here try to convince us it's by any means practical to use multi-touch gestures on a vertical panel. Really it isn't.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything. Someone made a comment that using a touchscreen would cause problems; I just told him my experience.

[.Neo]

iPads and actually tablets are toys for hipster douches and will die out long before laptops do.

Old farts like yourself tend to say that about every new piece of tech. ;)

[Dot Matrix]

You mention iOS and Android and mobile and every other possible example that is a non desktop platform. I dont think youre getting the point. Most people will use Windows 8 on a DESKTOP.

I bolded it for you so you finally get it

So? I've been using Windows 8 on nothing but a desktop! It. Works. Fine! There are so many different way of accomplishing a task, that I have had no issues in using it. All it takes is going all in. I forced myself to use nothing but Windows 8. To learn the ins and outs of it, and now, since I have been using it, I have discovered that there really isn't anything to it, even on a desktop.

iPads and actually tablets are toys for hipster douches and will die out long before laptops do.

Im always finding myself thinking "I need to work, i know, ill buy something thats half a computer, yet still needs a computer to connect to to function as its essentially a slave device. But it WILL look cool when im on the train" Thats is until you notice every other douche on the train has one too. I have never seen a more clearer sign (other than facebook) that humanity is doomed, as we are producing a generation of social cripples, than when i walked into Apple night at our local computer club and saw 24 people sitting at a table plonking away on their iPad's for 4 hours, and not speaking to each other the ENTIRE time.

Im tired of poking holes in your story and thin veneer that your lust for Windows 8 has placed over your perception of reality.

Im heading off to bed.

Maybe in your opinion, but iPads can do actual work. I have friends that have ditched traditional computers because their iPad does what they want it to do. I hate to say it, but when people are doing this, you expect Microsoft to just go "oh well. :(. We'll just continue on our same path and not change to meet the demands of the market, just to satisfy a minority of users."? No one is forcing you to use Metro apps in Windows 8. No one. The desktop is still there with all its functionality. YOu can live there all day and not see anything Metro.