Neowin: A speed bump on the Information Superhighway.

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Occasionally I get big slowdowns and find the "Slowing down" thread to report them but lately its been fine, (lately as in the last few days)

Main issue I see is quoting someone and then editing that quote, sometimes it doesn't refresh as posted, even though hitting the New Posts button shows the thread as having been updated

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Just to throw some info into this. I've been lurking the Neowin IRC channel for a couple of months now.

The staff (be it Neobond, Redman, Timan or the moderators general) always respond to issues brought to their attention and do so quite rapidly.

I've been witness to discussions about the issue and what they have done to fix it, this was in a public channel, so I assume as much (and likely more) has been discussed in the dev channels.

I spoke to Redmak about it (because I'm a nerd and was curious) and he listed all of the things he'd done to look into it and where he thought the issue was. His checking was methodical and his conclusions sound. He's not oblivious to the issue and it's not being ignored.

Now I run IPB for forum software on my website, and I can tell you it is HORRIBLE to work with if you start getting hit hard. Making it run faster is a ###### of a job. I'd happily dump IPB except that translating forums (the information posted) from IPB to other formats is extremely difficult. IPB tend to make enormous changes to the structure of their software/data with each release, making porting extremely difficult. They also tend to do stupid proprietary bull****. I cringe at the thought of moving and IPB forum of this size to another forum software. I cringe thinking about their update process. My site is an enormous **** to update and rarely goes as intended, and takes forever to execute. I have a ton of extra resources on my machine and the update scripts take forever to execute. It's pathetically bad.

Whilst I agree that the issues just aren't good enough, that the issues are annoying; I wholeheartedly disagree with the assertion that Neowin aren't doing their utmost to fix it.

I just think you should know more about what's going on before you start asserting wildly into the night. I'd also like to see the Neowin staff bite back at some of this stuff, but they're way to controlled (dare I say professional) for that >.>

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The Rev

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I would be inclined to think it's something that loads with every pageload... Like the mini spy, or the edit function itself... Maybe the facebook, twitter functions... I know that this is PROBABLY a dumb question but... Could it be the server?

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Detection

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Just to throw some info into this. I've been lurking the Neowin IRC channel for a couple of months now.

The staff (be it Neobond, Redman, Timan or the moderators general) always respond to issues brought to their attention and do so quite rapidly.

I've been witness to discussions about the issue and what they have done to fix it, this was in a public channel, so I assume as much (and likely more) has been discussed in the dev channels.

I spoke to Redmak about it (because I'm a nerd and was curious) and he listed all of the things he'd done to look into it and where he thought the issue was. His checking was methodical and his conclusions sound. He's not oblivious to the issue and it's not being ignored.

Now I run IPB for forum software on my website, and I can tell you it is HORRIBLE to work with if you start getting hit hard. Making it run faster is a ###### of a job. I'd happily dump IPB except that translating forums (the information posted) from IPB to other formats is extremely difficult. IPB tend to make enormous changes to the structure of their software/data with each release, making porting extremely difficult. They also tend to do stupid proprietary bull****. I cringe at the thought of moving and IPB forum of this size to another forum software. I cringe thinking about their update process. My site is an enormous **** to update and rarely goes as intended, and takes forever to execute. I have a ton of extra resources on my machine and the update scripts take forever to execute. It's pathetically bad.

Whilst I agree that the issues just aren't good enough, that the issues are annoying; I wholeheartedly disagree with the assertion that Neowin aren't doing their utmost to fix it.

I just think you should know more about what's going on before you start asserting wildly into the night. I'd also like to see the Neowin staff bite back at some of this stuff, but they're way to controlled (dare I say professional) for that >.>

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Something I just thought of, I rarely, if ever use IE, but the times I do visit Neowin using IE it seems to load perfectly

Just throwing this out there, but maybe make a poll seeing if issues are browser specific, I use FF 99% of the time

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articuno1au

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I have to say I nearly never see load time issues. The worst I've seen is like, 5 seconds to post.

I have all facebook/twitter etc linky things blocked.

For those encountering issues with Chrome, perhaps take a look at:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/collusion-for-chrome/ganlifbpkcplnldliibcbegplfmcfigp

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/disconnect/jeoacafpbcihiomhlakheieifhpjdfeo

Neither app has ever caused my problems, and it's dramatically improved my browsing life (I'm in what's called a Congestion Zone in Australia. We have an 8mbps connection, but the back haul isn't even close to being able to provide that speed for us and those around us.)

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Timan Veteran

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Redesign Neowin with touch tiles and a new Metro UI, that would speed things up!

/s

Can't do a metro theme, because if anyone has been following the mobile theme, people don't like things where text is cu.....

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Crisp

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Can't do a metro theme, because if anyone has been following the mobile theme, people don't like things where text is cu.....

How about a Minecraft page next to "Contact" (top of page)? Wh... It... se... up... of... cour...

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n_K

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How about disabling the 'saving text' thing I see a lot whilst typing. If my browser crashes or I accidentally close the tab, I've lost the 'saved post' anyway and know no way to get it back so surely disabling it would speed things up without removing any features?

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Jub

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  1. Remove integration with social media, reputation, paste formatting and all the extra crap.
  2. Replace IPB with FluxBB.
  3. ????
  4. PROFIT!!

Or Vanilla!

I still the DB queries are to blame since the home page is relatively quick. But then again, you could easily find out.

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Ice_Blue

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It's to stop double posting, and its a great setting for a forum to have, there is no reason to have 3 separate posts from the same member one after another, grouping them makes perfect sense unless you're a spammer

How exactly is not knowing a lame excuse?

Do you know the cause? Do you know how to fix it? No, so stop giving staff sh*t for no knowing either.

And as for your OP, bye bye then, I'm sure you'll be greatly missed

Everyone wants the site to run perfectly, report the issue and carry on, if Neowins speed issues are causing your life to collapse, and in such a way you need to leave, you have bigger issues you need to address

EDIT - I guess this explains your childish outburst

http://www.neowin.ne...__fromsearch__1

What are you so butt hurt about? Someone expressing an opinion?

I guess from now on I will just have to shut up and not complain about anything on this site, since this apparently sends you into a tizzy.

There's entire threads dealing with more or less the same issues, with at least one of them being official.

But no. You gotta put on your shining armour, get up on your high horse, and smite all detractors.

What I do during my weekends ticks you off too? Well, well.

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articuno1au

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No, I'm in the same bag as detection.

You didn't just come out and say the site has issues and farewell. You came out and attacked the site proper.

Feel free to complain, but there's a difference between complaining and being a dick. Hell, you can do whatever you want, but expect people to call you out if you go about it wrong.

Also, look at my horse, my horse is amazing..

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DirtyLarry Veteran

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What are you so butt hurt about? Someone expressing an opinion?

I guess from now on I will just have to shut up and not complain about anything on this site, since this apparently sends you into a tizzy.

There's entire threads dealing with more or less the same issues, with at least one of them being official.

But no. You gotta put on your shining armour, get up on your high horse, and smite all detractors.

IMHO, you answered your own question. As you pointed out, there are already threads, with at least one of them being pretty official, yet you felt the need to create another thread instead of posting in one of them. Seems a tad self serving from those observing.

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Detection

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What are you so butt hurt about? Someone expressing an opinion?

I guess from now on I will just have to shut up and not complain about anything on this site, since this apparently sends you into a tizzy.

There's entire threads dealing with more or less the same issues, with at least one of them being official.

But no. You gotta put on your shining armour, get up on your high horse, and smite all detractors.

What I do during my weekends ticks you off too? Well, well.

Diddums :cry:

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_neutrino Veteran

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Believe me when I say, everyone here would like to replace IPB lol

I thought there was a plan to build a forum off of the Ignition concept from the home page?

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jakem1

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I don't think there's any need to bash the OP. The performance issues can be pretty frustrating, especially when you've spent quite a bit of time responding to someone only to find that the post won't save. Right or wrong, I can understand why he felt the need to create a new thread because there's very little official news about the issues. Thanks to this thread I now know that staff are actively looking into these problems so some good has come from it.

Edit: As an example, I had to enter this post twice because the first attempt just got stuck at the saving stage. This sort of thing happens multiple times per day for me on a range of browsers.

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Davo

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A free site isn't as fast as I want it to be?

*demands answers*

*jumps out the window*

This thread almost amuses me as much as a post on Google Code. "Guys, I use the wifi tether on my Galaxy S3 and now it isn't working after Jelly Bean. Can we please make this a priority? Thanks."

People are ****ing hilarious.

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