Mother defends kids, shoots intruder

[TheLegendOfMart]

I can't be the only person who thinks it's wrong to just kill someone because they broke into your home?

[-Himanshu-]

Seriously?

Cops give multiple warnings before they open fire on someone, you cant just empty your magazine just because someone has broken into your house with a crowbar.

I would pull a gun, give him a warning, if he moved anywhere apart from backwards I would try and shoot them somewhere non-vital. I know its easy to say not being in that situation but you can't just shoot someone in the face 5 times then claim self defence.

Shocking how gung-ho pro-gunners are, looking for any excuse to pull the trigger.

Yes. They were not trained cops on a scene with intel or experience. A mom with kids, scared and not ready. I am not exactly a fan of what she did, I would have tried non lethal attack first. But can't say what she did was wrong, she defended herself and family, and in that case you are not thinking about strategy and stuff.

[Guest xiphi]

I can't be the only person who thinks it's wrong to just kill someone because they broke into your home?

I assume you won't have any problems with me knocking on your door and demanding you hand over your money and other things with no questions asked, right? I'd even remind you to have a good day and thank you for your contributions.

[Dot Matrix]

I can't be the only person who thinks it's wrong to just kill someone because they broke into your home?

You break into my home, all bets are off. When you take shooting lessons in self defense, you are taught to aim for the middle torso. It's the biggest area to hit, and will easily incapacitate, but it can also kill. Aiming for the legs or whatever is out of the question, because you'll almost never hit them, and waste your rounds. W

hatever happens, happens, but if you don't want shot, or harmed, then you shouldn't be breaking into occupied dwellings.

Sorry mate, you're not winning this argument.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Sorry mate, you're not winning this argument.

Clearly because its a thread full of gung-ho rambos who think its acceptable to murder someone because they broke into your home looking for things to steal.

There is no evidence he wanted to harm the occupants, he rung the bell constantly and since no one answered he thought the property empty, she didn't give him chance to escape she just wildly emptied the clip into his face.

Disgusting how people are defending this.

[Silpheed2K]

I just don't understand the mentality, I'm not saying she didn't have the right to defend herself, her kids or her home, but there is such thing as excessive force.

I can just picture pro-gunners whooping and cheering that she shot someone, he could have easily died. I don't think burglary should be punishable by death, this isn't Judge Dredd where someone is judge, jury and executioner.

It's nice how you cherry pick facts, for every one of those you picked there is an opposite one where gun control has brought down gun homicides to single or double figures in the respective country, not five figures like the US.

To the first underlined section, it's being responsible for your own safety. You have a right to defend your life by any means necessary if someone threatens it. Have you actually been in a dangerous situation before? It's not exactly the time to "try new stuff out".

To your other statement, I didn't cherry pick anything. Why don't you pick up a history book and study it. Or better yet, educate yourself about firearms beyond the movie and TV references you're making. I'm only trying to show you how illogical the argument is.

[TheLegendOfMart]

To the first underlined section, it's being responsible for your own safety. You have a right to defend your life by any means necessary if someone threatens it. Have you actually been in a dangerous situation before? It's not exactly the time to "try new stuff out".

I've had my house broken into, I have a baseball bat I keep for such situations. I gave the person a warning and he scarpered, I didn't run over and beat him to death with the bat because he dared to break into my home, there is such thing as reasonable and excessive force.

To your other statement, I didn't cherry pick anything. Why don't you pick up a history book and study it. Or better yet, educate yourself about firearms beyond the movie and TV references you're making. I'm only trying to show you how illogical the argument is.

What about all the countries that currently have gun control and only double figure firearm deaths per year compared to the US 10,000+?

The UK has banned guns, I don't see any genocide going on?

[McKay]

Yeah, gun control works...

Every year in America roughly 10,000 people are murdered with Guns, In the UK 20, in places like Japan even less. So yes I'd say it works. You act like the American Government is just waiting to commit Genocide, and a few people with guns are the only thing stopping them.

[Silpheed2K]

Third, my post was largely a play on the very amusing thought that the relatively miniscule amount of times people are actually able to defend themselves with guns somehow even remotely compares to the homicide rate and other damage caused by guns.

Miniscule? It actually happens all the time. The people who feed you that propaganda never tell you about it. On top of that they like to mix in justifiable homicides (in self defense) with criminal homicides to skew the numbers further. Here's some examples for you.

A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school?s vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.

A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.

A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.

A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.

A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.

A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.

A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.

At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.

These incidents alone support my argument and prove that it is the truth.

edit:

@McKay: if you are going to quote me out of context in an effort to skew what I've said, then you don't even deserve a reply because you have no credibility.

[strotee]

I've had my house broken into, I have a baseball bat I keep for such situations. I gave the person a warning and he scarpered, I didn't run over and beat him to death with the bat because he dared to break into my home, there is such thing as reasonable and excessive force.

Did this person get caught after you called cops?

[TheLegendOfMart]

Yup, I gave them a description that matched a scumbag druggie who lived locally who was known to the police.

[Dot Matrix]

Clearly because its a thread full of gung-ho rambos who think its acceptable to murder someone because they broke into your home looking for things to steal.

There is no evidence he wanted to harm the occupants, he rung the bell constantly and since no one answered he thought the property empty, she didn't give him chance to escape she just wildly emptied the clip into his face.

Disgusting how people are defending this.

Lol. Gung ho? No, sorry mate. Again, she had every right to defend herself and her family. What would you have her do? Just let the guy have his way?

[Azusa]

Yup, I gave them a description that matched a scumbag druggie who lived locally who was known to the police.

and did anything happen other than a crime number given out?

[TheLegendOfMart]

Lol. Gung ho? No, sorry mate. Again, she had every right to defend herself and her family. What would you have her do? Just let the guy have his way?

You are acting like he broke in just to rape her and kill her kids, he rang the bell constantly before concluding no one was in because no one answered the door.

and did anything happen other than a crime number given out?

Yup he got prison time.

[Dot Matrix]

You are acting like he broke in just to rape her and kill her kids, he rang the bell constantly before concluding no one was in because no one answered the door.

He was up to no good. He's already in her house unlawfully, who knows, he could have taken the opportunity once he found her in there. You don't know criminals and what they do here in the States. Many are opportunists. She defended herself and her kids, again there is nothing wrong here.

[Azusa]

Yup he got prison time.

oh so he got some time in the day care centre where he probably lived better than you.

[TheLegendOfMart]

He was up to no good. He's already in her house unlawfully, who knows, he could have taken the opportunity once he found her in there. You don't know criminals and what they do here in the States. Many are opportunists. She defended herself and her kids, again there is nothing wrong here.

Pro-gunners, paranoid, always using the "what if" argument, disgraceful. She didn't give him chance to get out, you don't know what would have happened, though she probably would have shot him in the back if he turned to escape like most pro-gun cowards.

oh so he got some time in the day care centre where he probably lived better than you.

Better than putting him in the ground. I'm not a murderer. Pro-gunners like to use what ifs, I'd like to think he got help with his drugs in prison and came out wanting to change his life.

[Nayos]

Doesn't the story state the she hid with her children and only fired when the intruder found her? That's very different to her immediately opening fire on the guy as soon as he opened her front door or whatever. It's not like she went looking for him.

[techbeck]

1) 5 hits in 6 shots? NICE shootin' lady!! Too bad it wasn't something heavier than a .38.

Nice shooting? It was basically point blank.

Kinda curious how long it took for police to get there after dialing 911. The intruder had the time to rummage thru the house and make his way upstairs before the police arrived.

[Azusa]

Better than putting him in the ground. I'm not a murderer. Pro-gunners like to use what ifs, I'd like to think he got help with his drugs in prison and came out wanting to change his life.

You're just a holier than thou moral crusader who'd rather be killed than kill?

[TheLegendOfMart]

I'm holier than thou because I think shooting someone in the face, FIVE TIMES, not giving them a chance to back down is excessive?

[Dot Matrix]

Pro-gunners, paranoid, always using the "what if" argument, disgraceful. She didn't give him chance to get out, you don't know what would have happened, though she probably would have shot him in the back if he turned to escape like most pro-gun cowards.

Right. Whatever, buddy. Go read the Castle Doctrine article on Wikipedia. Do your research on it. You'll see we have every right to defend ourselves with firearms just as much as we do with any other weapon.

Come here to the states and watch as these guys laugh in your face with you and your baseball bat. Because that ain't gonna do ****.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Please, you wouldn't last two seconds in the UK without your semi automatic, military inspired rifles with 30 round magazines, to hide behind.

[Azusa]

I'm holier than thou because I think shooting someone in the face, FIVE TIMES, not giving them a chance to back down is excessive?

With drugs like bath salts doing the rounds you can't afford to take the chance even more so when you have children in the house also in 2013 i don't much care for people who get involved with drugs it's no big secret that they mess you up.

[TheLegendOfMart]

With drugs like bath salts doing the rounds you can't afford to take the chance even more so when you have children in the house also in 2013 i don't much care for people who get involved with drugs it's no big secret that they mess you up.

Again, that doesn't justify trying to kill someone. I'm glad we have reasonable and excessive force laws in the UK, I'd hate to live in a place where a law gives you a chance to use your itchy trigger finger to end someones life.

I'm done here.