Mum vs Windows 8 - attempting a shutdown

[MorganX]

1) The hot corners. These damn things are so annoying when trying to do professional work (and general work on the desktop). I have NO need for them. I think it is a legitimate complaint. I have seen MANY MANY other people do the same thing. Even clients when they want to show me something. Yet, with the attitude here, I was told I simply "SUCK" at computers. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY you should EVER ACCIDENTALLY activate those hot corners. I mean come on, I am sitting here trying to do my work and I have a REAL COMPLAINT about the software, yet I am still being attacked. Oh also "Learn to use your mouse" is another response I have received.

2) Start - Shut Down. I am NOT talking about the Start Menu. But they should have put the Shut Down button in the Start Screen because that what everybody has in their head (Start - Shut Down).

1) I can 100% vouch for you on this. And it is annoying, not show stopping, but annoying.

2) I hear the argument for convenience, but I'm just not too sympathetic with the shutdown issue. But apparently it is as annoying to many as #1 is to me, and the music app, lol.

[Noir Angel]

It's also possible to disable the hot corners with startisback :)

[dead.cell]

No, I am making that argument to people that say "Microsoft can do WHATEVER they want with their product". While that is true, if it has a MASIVE backlash, businesses WILL AND HAVE to revert some of their decisions. I made that argument to show a case (yes I know rather extreme) that developers are not immune and can do whatever they want.

Oh I am sorry, do you know my parents and grandparents? I KNOW them.....they are my parents and grandparents after all. I have dealt with their issues in the past, I know what they can handle and if they will get confused. Did I say they are incapable of learning? I taught them how to use Windows 7 just fine....but Windows 8 will just confuse them.

I have already said many times I like Windows 8. I bought two copies and no longer have a Windows 7 install at my house. I prefer Windows 8. So I guess now if somebody makes a couple of complaints about something, they automatically hate it?

1) The hot corners. These damn things are so annoying when trying to do professional work (and general work on the desktop). I have NO need for them. I think it is a legitimate complaint. I have seen MANY MANY other people do the same thing. Even clients when they want to show me something. Yet, with the attitude here, I was told I simply "SUCK" at computers. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY you should EVER ACCIDENTALLY activate those hot corners. I mean come on, I am sitting here trying to do my work and I have a REAL COMPLAINT about the software, yet I am still being attacked. Oh also "Learn to use your mouse" is another response I have received.

2) Start - Shut Down. I am NOT talking about the Start Menu. But they should have put the Shut Down button in the Start Screen because that what everybody has in their head (Start - Shut Down).

Thank god for Start8, just for the ability to disable the corners and Start - Shut Down. Again, I have no need for the Start Menu aspect of it, and I do not really care, but I do like Start - Shut Down better than the existing way.

If that was your argument, that's fine. I still don't see what any of that had to do with my post, let alone why you're quoting me at all. I never said Microsoft can do whatever with their product, but rather that consumers should learn more about what they're buying. There's really no excuse in this day and age when Google is in your back pocket, and retailers and many other sites have ways to check out reviews of said products.

Furthermore, your parents aren't everyone else's parents, and if you don't want us referencing your family or getting the wrong idea about them, maybe you shouldn't post about them. Because from my standpoint in how you say, "Windows 8 will just confuse them," that makes them look bad, not the product considering my experience has been fine with non-tech savvy individuals. I hope you at least get what I'm saying here with that.

I honestly don't care if you like Windows 8 or not. I'm not over-enthusiastic about the OS myself, and if it's small things like that, Start8 is your answer. Hell, I even recommend Start8 to customers who still aren't sure. The hotcorners I don't particularly fancy myself either, but the shutdown is rather a non-issue.

Overall though, putting Windows 8 on my laptop has proven more functional than anything. Everything is at my fingertips just as it'd be on my phone, my boot and shutdown times are much faster, along with how quickly I am able to navigate otherwise. Hopefully, they'll do more refining in Windows 9 and beyond.

Oh oh oh! And the upgrade process was a DREAM! I didn't expect it to go through that well. That's definitely one of my favorite things in upgrading to Windows 8.

[th3rEsa]

With Classic Shell, shutdown is way easier to find.

Just saying.

(Tried Windows 8 with "Skip Metro". Impressed by the startup time, not really impressed by its ugly look & feel. So much about my Win8 reviews.)

[xWhiplash]

If that was your argument, that's fine. I still don't see what any of that had to do with my post, let alone why you're quoting me at all. I never said Microsoft can do whatever with their product, but rather that consumers should learn more about what they're buying. There's really no excuse in this day and age when Google is in your back pocket, and retailers and many other sites have ways to check out reviews of said products.

Furthermore, your parents aren't everyone else's parents, and if you don't want us referencing your family or getting the wrong idea about them, maybe you shouldn't post about them. Because from my standpoint in how you say, "Windows 8 will just confuse them," that makes them look bad, not the product considering my experience has been fine with non-tech savvy individuals. I hope you at least get what I'm saying here with that.

I honestly don't care if you like Windows 8 or not. I'm not over-enthusiastic about the OS myself, and if it's small things like that, Start8 is your answer. Hell, I even recommend Start8 to customers who still aren't sure. The hotcorners I don't particularly fancy myself either, but the shutdown is rather a non-issue.

Overall though, putting Windows 8 on my laptop has proven more functional than anything. Everything is at my fingertips just as it'd be on my phone, my boot and shutdown times are much faster, along with how quickly I am able to navigate otherwise. Hopefully, they'll do more refining in Windows 9 and beyond.

Oh oh oh! And the upgrade process was a DREAM! I didn't expect it to go through that well. That's definitely one of my favorite things in upgrading to Windows 8.

How does saying "Windows 8 will confuse them" make them look bad? They are not computer geeks. They know how to use it. When their computer died, I gave them my old iMac. They went from Windows XP to OS X. Guess what? OS X confused them. It took a while to get them going, but they did not want to spend additional money and I was done with that iMac anyway. They know how to use this very well. But Windows 8 will confuse them. They can eventually learn how to use it, but it would still confuse them like OS X did. Windows 8 confused me a few times but I take the time and research it. They just call me for the answer.

The Shut Down issue might not be a problem for you, but it is rather irritating telling somebody dozens and dozens of times where it moved to. They ALWAYS go back to the Start Screen and look for it. Some days they remember, or if they have been away from the computer for the weekend they forget and need me to remind them. Again. Start - Shut Down is in their minds because for 17 years, that is what we did.

[Dot Matrix]

Why can't you just accept that many of us (unlike yourself, apparently) will continue to use the desktop GUI for years to come, whether it be on Windows, OS X or Linux, not because we're resistant to change, but because the Desktop offers a superior computing experience for certain tasks. At some point something better might come along. but Metro isn't it.

You act like this is all my doing. ****, if Microsoft wants to find a new way of doing things, they'll do it regardless. God knows they pour so much money into research. If you want to stick with the desktop, fine, but just know regardless of OS, it WILL change just like everything else does in computing. 10 years from now we could be calling something else completely different our main workspace. You don't know.

[Motoko.]

You act like this is all my doing. ****, if Microsoft wants to find a new way of doing things, they'll do it regardless. God knows they pour so much money into research. If you want to stick with the desktop, fine, but just know regardless of OS, it WILL change just like everything else does in computing. 10 years from now we could be calling something else completely different our main workspace. You don't know.

Ah but these are two different circumstances. Metro has to evolve in order to be what you're professing as a desktop replacement.

I give credit to MS for one thing, it made a transitional UI that sits on top of something familiar but sacrifices usability of that environment we were accustomed to. It's a predictable trend (maybe not) to assume that Metro will come into its own and replace the desktop but we're sitting with an OS that needs more work, for what its worth we got better performance in some areas throughout the system.

[remixedcat]

No thank you, I'll keep my exclamation marks...and my start menu...besides, ASROCK doesn't even have drivers for Windows 8 yet.

Also, gnome 3 has its issues too. but at least I can switch to XFCE or KDE.

Asrock does have windows 8 drivers.

[f0rk_b0mb]

Asrock does have windows 8 drivers.

Unfortunatly, not for my board. :( Just XP, Vista, and 7. http://www.asrock.co...Model=A770DE%2b

I'm getting an AM3+ board for my birthday, so I'll see if I'm in the mood to try W8 again.

[f0rk_b0mb]

Still only one more "step" than Windows 7.

1. Move mouse to lower left corner

2. Click Start

2. Click Shutdown or Arrow that gives you a popup dialogue that says restart, hibernate, sleep

If you want to do it like that, then windows 8 is like this:

1. move mouse to upper corner

2. Swipe down

3.click settings

4. Click power

5. click shut down

[ahhell]

Unfortunatly, not for my board. :( Just XP, Vista, and 7. http://www.asrock.co...Model=A770DE%2b

I'm getting an AM3+ board for my birthday, so I'll see if I'm in the mood to try W8 again.

Why would you need Win8 specific drivers when all the Win7 ones work just fine?

[Dot Matrix]

Unfortunatly, not for my board. :( Just XP, Vista, and 7. http://www.asrock.co...Model=A770DE%2b

I'm getting an AM3+ board for my birthday, so I'll see if I'm in the mood to try W8 again.

Do Windows 7 drivers not work for you? How old is your board?

[f0rk_b0mb]

Why would you need Win8 specific drivers when all the Win7 ones work just fine?

Do Windows 7 drivers not work for you? How old is your board?

I tried installing them, but it gave me an "Operating System Not Supported" error message. When I plug in a USB drive, I get USB 1 speeds and that annoying "This device can perform faster" message. Some stuff in Device manager also shows up as unknown. I reboot into Windows 7, everything is fine.

[Dashel]

If you want to do it like that, then windows 8 is like this:

1. move mouse to upper corner

2. Swipe down

3.click settings

4. Click power

5. click shut down

Since those are hidden they should also count twice due to the increased memory/difficulty. So thats five actions just to get to Settings for a grand total of 7 vs 3 in 'classics' favor.

The reasons for justification still boggle me here too. I've heard 'centralized' and 'accessible from anywhere', two things that a visible taskbar/Start does equally and generally better than split, hidden ones (on the Desktop).

Riddle me this, if MS would have chosen the hot corner route 25 years ago, and introduced the taskbar as we know it at this time, what exactly is your meter for 'change and progress'? Would not the same people rejoice at the 'change' and lament on how antiquated 'hot corners' are (since they do harken to a time of low, single resolution displays)

[AnotherITguy]

Yes...let the **** flame party begin, if you don't like the way you have to shut down windows 8, for the love of god, get classic shell, its free, and quit your whining, its annoying...

Geees... people these days

and for the doofus that said it takes more time do it...

CHARMS BAR > SETTINGS > Click on power, shutdown....ohhhh 3 seconds., this is so difficult

[BajiRav]

Reading this thread makes me think that all people do with their PCs is shut it down. :D You folks should be happy that you can at least shut it down, my PC has refused to shut down for past month or so :p. Be happy in whatever you have, remember it can be worse like in my case.

Windows 8 won't shutdown. (not my thread)

I tried installing them, but it gave me an "Operating System Not Supported" error message. When I plug in a USB drive, I get USB 1 speeds and that annoying "This device can perform faster" message. Some stuff in Device manager also shows up as unknown. I reboot into Windows 7, everything is fine.

did you try windows update or extracting drivers out of the installers?

[xWhiplash]

Yes...let the **** flame party begin, if you don't like the way you have to shut down windows 8, for the love of god, get classic shell, its free, and quit your whining, its annoying...

Geees... people these days

and for the doofus that said it takes more time do it...

CHARMS BAR > SETTINGS > Click on power, shutdown....ohhhh 3 seconds., this is so difficult

Sigh....It is not the time. But when you forget, you go to the start screen and look around for 10 seconds and remember "Oh that is right"....it adds up. You work on Windows XP up to Windows 7 at work, have the nice little Start Menu and click Shut Down right there. When you get home, you forget these things.

Again, I have had to repeat myself numerous times to people where the shut down procedure is now. If you add up the time, they sit in the start screen for a little while trying to find it, they have to pick up the phone and call me and say "Sorry I forgot again, where is shut down?".

It is hard for us to understand the general public.

AGAIN, for the millionth time, of course there will be people out there that can use Windows 8 perfectly fine. But for those that cannot, and who I had to deal with, just put the stupid button in the Start Screen.....it will not hurt those of you that use the charms bar.

I love it when people just recommend Start8/startisback/classicshell/etc....Most likely businesses will not install third party software like this AND not go through the process of retaining people. What do you recommend for them? I know some businesses require you to shut down your computer when you leave.

So we no longer have the right to complain/voice our opinions about anything anymore? We are consumers. If we do not voice our objections, that benefits NOBODY. Somebody releases a patch that breaks something (app store for example). People should not be allowed to rate it 1 star because it is now broke? Developers listen to that stuff. If nobody says anything, for all they know it works perfectly fine in their test environment.

We shouldn't HAVE to resort to Start8 and the similar programs to give us the functionality we had for 17 years. I get it "Change is needed....blah blah blah"....but when Windows is installed on the REGULAR Desktop (no touch screen is detected, standard desktop computer for business use), it should have options like this. BUILT IN to the OS, not having people download third party programs. It opens a lot of issues when things do not work.

[f0rk_b0mb]

did you try windows update or extracting drivers out of the installers?

Yes and Yes. I also tried one of those driver installer programs (forget which one) but when I went to download and install the driver, it errored out on me or refused to start. I spent probably an afternoon trying to get them working before I finally realized it was a no go. Funny thing is Windows 7 drivers worked for me in the DP and CP. So whatever Microsoft changed during that period, doesn't like my hardware/drivers. Thanks for trying to help me, tho. I appreciate it. :)

[f0rk_b0mb]

Riddle me this, if MS would have chosen the hot corner route 25 years ago, and introduced the taskbar as we know it at this time, what exactly is your meter for 'change and progress'? Would not the same people rejoice at the 'change' and lament on how antiquated 'hot corners' are (since they do harken to a time of low, single resolution displays)

I hate hot corners. I can't stand them. They throw me off and they're always in my way. Those are the first things I disable in Mac OS X and Gnome 3 (the bottom right hand one anyway). I'd say we were making progress if they introduced the taskbar to us today. No swipes or extra clicks needed.

[Growled Member]

It is hard for us to understand the general public.

I think it's very hard for some to understand that a lot of people don't get computers. Some people just use them for basic tasks and don't want to put much into using them. These people have a few set tasks memorized and they can almost do simple tasks. The problem arises when something like Windows 8 comes along and these people have to throw what little they know out the window (sorry for the pun).

[xWhiplash]

I think it's very hard for some to understand that a lot of people don't get computers. Some people just use them for basic tasks and don't want to put much into using them. These people have a few set tasks memorized and they can almost do simple tasks. The problem arises when something like Windows 8 comes along and these people have to throw what little they know out the window (sorry for the pun).

Agreed. And if those people work where they use computers, they are mostly using Windows XP or Windows 7. It is difficult for some people to keep switching back and forth like that.