LINUX is NOT easy!

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The Linux GUI is infinitely better than a Windows one, since you can make a Linux GUI look like pretty much anything you want. Just consider the sheer number of Linux GUIs ...

Also, if you install Redhat 9 and can't figure out how to do anything you would do in Windows (save playing games), maybe computers just aren't for you.

Oh, I can use computers (and Linux for that matter) just fine. That doesn't mean that its good. For servers, sure, I understand that, but for a desktop computer, or an operating system trying to break into the home computer market, it is a joke.

Most Linux application are genuinely difficult to use because they were developed by people who shouldn?t be developing the font end of applications.

For people who say I can make the interface how ever I like, why the hell should I when the interface in Windows is a piece of cake as it is.

For the super-nerd that has all day to scroll though huge amounts of documentation to figure things out that?s fine, but I can?t see why the hell I should.

And when I talk about interface I am not talking about pictures, colours and rip-off gradients in the caption area, I am talking about things like dialog design, hci and other similar aspects..

Personally, I think OS X is the best one, but I don't own a mac so I don't care.

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My first experience with Linux was with Redhat 7.1 and I was not that impressed. I have tried other , Lycoris, Sun, Lindows (yuck) . I am cuurntly

using Mandrake 9 on this box and its good.

At first I was like a fish out of water with Linux , but that was because I was trying to do Windows. I learnt you need to forget Windows

and think Linux and it all falls into place.

Sure Windows is great for plug n play , load and run pop in the disk and go and thats what I still use XP for ( Dual boot box) . When I want to

fiddle and play and test the grey matter with a challenge I turn to Linux , to put it simply its fun .

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no matter what those distro say, i am not going to believe them anymore! Linux is NOT as easy as Windows! OMG, this OS is soooooo confusing! i can't even install a single program yet, i hate their RPM's! I am not a computer incompetant, so don't say that i don't know crap. no wonder Windows will always succeed over linux. i htink it's great for server but defintely not for home user. i have never been through a OS that is so frustrating! although i love their GUI, it's so pretty and they have lots of neat stuff. only if it was really as easy as Windows.

You think its too confusing to use? Good - thats one less idiot we have to help.

No offence, but thats a highly uneducated statement. It may be confusing for a long-term windows user, but if you had never used a computer at all, you would find both about equally confusing.

If Linux was like windows, why would anyone ever use it?

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thats nice. then linux is not for you, if u like having everything done for you, use Windows. if u want to use windows apps, use windows. if you want a challenge, use linux. if u keep complaining, use windows. Otherwise, decide on your own. i like linux, i dont use windows as much now. its a nice change once ur used to it all. just converted a friend today and he likes it.

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i love linux... no its not easy but then things that are worth while seldom are... i started using linux in april of last year with a distribution called gentoo , avialable at www.gentoo.org ...shameless plug... this distribution is alot more challenging then teh caned distros such as redhat and mandrake but it is an excellent learning tool for those interested in learning how linux is configured and how it sees and uses hardware... the users and developers in gentoo are very accessable... winxp is a nice gaming platform though...lol

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Uhhh... you guys are all insane. For one, when did he say Linux "sucks". I don't remember reading that statement. I remember him saying is "not easy", "confusing" and "frustrating", and that he likes Windows more. In addition, it is blatantly obvious to everyone that Windows is easier to use than Linux. Just the simple statement most of you make to an avid PC user to have to read the documentation just to use the OS, and to install programs, speaks to that affect. My mother and father barely knew how to turn a computer on a year ago, and once I told them how, and told them how to start programs using the start menu, they were able to use it on their own and install programs just fine without asking me for help every 2 seconds like they used to. If I formatted that HD and installed Linux on there, they would NOT be able to install programs on their own without someone telling them if this guy who obviously knows his **** can't do it, or doesn't automatically know how it works. He is 100% correct, Windows just works. It may have bugs and viruses, that's another issue, but it DOES just work, and it IS pretty darned easy. The concept for users that DO use Linux is normally the fact that it doesn't "just work", that you have to tweak it to your needs and make it work, that's why it is "fun". If you didn't do that, none of you would be talking about the "challenge" of the OS and the "fun" in having to figure it out and use that "gray matter" you speak of but aparently don't apply to simple concepts such as ease of use and preference in design.

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JadeWolf324

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i love MDK. seriously. more than anything else ive used, and have no want to move back to Windows for any reason.

when using linux u hafta approach it with an open mind

and no. i am quite productive in linux, it just takes a tad bit of a learning curve to get used to.

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I found linux pretty confusing too at first. But I guess I love messing around with computers so after a week I had a perfect setup, windows manager, tons of cool utils, and new most basics enough to enjoy linux. I might buy a second hdd and put linux on it when I have time to spend setting it up.

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For me, Win ME is better than Linux - I've tried Red Hat, Mandrake, Lycoris LX. It just seems to crash all the time and I really don't like the interface. Yup, fine for servers and those who need it, but really not a desktop OS.

Wow...them's fightin' words.

Worse than Windows Me...wow.

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The concept for users that DO use Linux is normally the fact that it doesn't "just work", that you have to tweak it to your needs and make it work, that's why it is "fun".

your idea and my idea of fun greatly differ.

Although is does sort of confirm my point that it will never take off without much improvement.

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I fiddle lots trying to get some things to work in linux just as much as i do in windows. Still can't get the scanner to work in ALL accounts at once in windows. Have no idea what's causing that. Sometimes weird stuff happens too. That's a pain to debug cuz it's all hidden behind wizards.

It's different, it doesn't work like windows. Just because you're trolling and haven't understood it yet doesn't mean it's bad and evil.

Maybe it's your expectations that it should behave just like windows **** you off. Oh, and you're probably not as computer litterate as you'd like to think. Just cuz you know what ram is and that a 9800 pwnz an FX doesn't mean that you know what a compiler is and what a script is. Actually, all you gotta do to install apps, even if its just source is pretty simple. In some distro's like debian all you need to do is type apt-get mozilla and it will download and install it for you. I mean common. Is that too hard? if you wanted to be hardcore1337 h4x0r you would do something like wget "sources url" ; .tar -zxvf sources.tar.gz;./configure;make install. That's from source code. That's as hard as it gets unless you need to find its dependencies too. Usually a distro will have stuff like apt-get which does all that for you

Thanks for trolling buddy ;) I wasn't gonna reply but man, i hate seeing morons troll. I can't help it. Anyways once you learn something about linux, like how the filesystem works, how the command line works (it's ubb3r powerfull and EASY), maybe latex, and other things. Experiment with different UI's like fluxbox, gnome (actually try and make it look and behave like mac.). Try editing all kinds of script files to get your pc to boot in 10 seconds to gui, maybe set up a samba file server running on ipv6 or something.. You know play around. You'll learn quite a bit and you'll find out how ****ing easy yet powerfull it actually can be. Just don't keep the attitude and you'll do fine.

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If Linux was like windows, why would anyone ever use it?

Cuz it's free... ;)

And no, that's not all I'm going to say - that would be a waste of a post, and lately I've been posting less and less because I really feel like making funny little comments like this isn't really doing anything for me (I had to say that somewhere, just coincidence that it happened to be in this post). I've gotta add my two cents.

There's a difference between switching to linux from just using windows, and switching from knowing windows. I tried out Mandrake a little while ago, and ended up uninstalling it, not because it was confusing, but because... Okay now wait... I just realized someone else already said what I was going to say... Okay, so apparently I did waste a post... But from now on!!! No more.

[Edit]Err... Okay, now I'm confused... Did someone already say what I was going to??? Hmm.... Ya know what... I'm really tired right now, so what I'm gonna do is go ahead and go to sleep, then re-read this thread in the morning and try this post again... M'kay. :blush:

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linux is harder to use than windows.... it doesnt mean its worse. this debate will always rage on so i dont see the point in flaming each other about it.

i have a mandrake 9.1 and windowsxp dual boot setup. windows for work/games and stuff, linux for playing around with when im bored.

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I started using Linux RedHat about a week ago. And yes its extreamly confusing and I doubt I will ever be as at home with it as I am with windows. But Im learning the basics, Once you have used windows you will find it extreamly hard to move. But do what ive done buy a book and you will learn the basics you need and then you will pick the rest up from forums.

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"I started using Linux RedHat about a week ago. And yes its extreamly confusing and I doubt I will ever be as at home with it as I am with windows"

I used to feel like that but now I feel more comfortable on linux then I do on windows. I just like the freedom I have with the OS. Its not the easiest thing to learn and does take some time but the learning curve is shortening. Though it may not be as easy as windows to learn, at least linux doesn't look like it had a gui made by the fisher price design team.

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As someone who has used Windows (since version 3.1), MacOS (since about version 7), Amiga (since version 1.3), and Linux (several distros, all the way back to kernel .99), I can honestly say that if you take three people who have never touched a computer before, sit each of them down in front of three computers, one with Windows XP, one with Mac OS X, and one with RedHat or Mandrake (or some other decent distro), each of them will be equally confused. Once you teach each of them the basics of one OS, then try moving them to another, they will be confused again, until you teach them the differences between them. One is not more complicated or confusing than the other, it just depends on which you learned first. I'm typing this on my Mac, but even though I've used both for years, when I go to my PC with XP, I find myself accidentally going to the wrong end of the titlebar to close a window, or looking in the wrong menu for an option. The same thing happens when I go to a computer running Linux. If I go to the command prompt on any of them, I have to think twice before I type a command or I'll end up typing commands from the other OS.

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