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I think that something might be mentioned on the 20th. I've got the 3G and love it, it was only about ?15 more than the WiFi version at the time, and given that you got WipEout for free, it was pretty much a no brainer for me.

Good deal then. I can make do without 3G anyway; I have done on my iPhone for the past year. If data fees were a hell of a lot less than they are at the moment, I might reconsider.

Good deal then. I can make do without 3G anyway; I have done on my iPhone for the past year. If data fees were a hell of a lot less than they are at the moment, I might reconsider.

I picked up a PAYGO T-Mobile SIM on eBay for ?18 which gives 500mb download a month for the year for free. Saved me paying out ?7.50-10 a month for the Vita.

I picked up a PAYGO T-Mobile SIM on eBay for ?18 which gives 500mb download a month for the year for free. Saved me paying out ?7.50-10 a month for the Vita.

...that's pretty god damn impressive.

Xbox 360 had a full year headstart over PS3, it could afford to charge people for Live, if they launched side by side I think the numbers would have been a lot different.

Xbox Live has been a pay service since its launch (IIRC), 360 head start has nothing to do with it.

It's been given a drop in Japan so would expect the other regions to get one soon too. Rumours of a 4G version as well with the 3G price dropping to the same as just WiFi on it's own.

Too bad a price cut alone wont be nearly enough to save it.

Xbox Live has been a pay service since its launch (IIRC), 360 head start has nothing to do with it.

Of course it did, there was no alternative console to play, so if you wanted to play online you had to pay to get Xbox Live Gold.

If PS3 had launched side by side with free multiplayer I don't think Live would have any anywhere near as popular.

Of course it did, there was no alternative console to play, so if you wanted to play online you had to pay to get Xbox Live Gold.

If PS3 had launched side by side with free multiplayer I don't think Live would have any anywhere near as popular.

XBL launched in 2002, 3 years before 360 came out.

What's that got to do with Xbox 360?

Did you care to read what I had written?

PS3 wasn't out, if you wanted next gen you got an Xbox 360 and if you wanted to play online you had to get a Gold subscription, had PS3 launched side by side with its FREE multiplayer I don't think you would be seeing the kind of numbers Live has at the minute.

What's that got to do with Xbox 360?

Did you care to read what I had written?

PS3 wasn't out, if you wanted next gen you got an Xbox 360 and if you wanted to play online you had to get a Gold subscription, had PS3 launched side by side with its FREE multiplayer I don't think you would be seeing the kind of numbers Live has at the minute.

Yes, I did. I am just questioning your theory that Microsoft "got away" with a paid service because PS3 launched an year later. XBL launched in 2002 and made it big with Halo 2 in 2004-5 before Xbox 360 launched. It was successful no matter what happened between 360-PS3 (not to mention PSN that debuted with PS3 was not really comparable to XBL at the time).

It was successful because PS2 didn't have an online service, any game that was online capable for PS2 the servers were run by the developer of the game.

uh? so now you are saying Xbox 360's head start didn't have anything to do with paid nature of XBL? why bring PS2 into this when it didn't have any centralized online service?

uh? so now you are saying Xbox 360's head start didn't have anything to do with paid nature of XBL? why bring PS2 into this when it didn't have any centralized online service?

You were the one bringing Xbox Live for the first xbox into it. All I was saying is that Xbox Live got a foothold because it was the first online service for a console and that it didn't have any competition, the Xbox sold 24 million, the PS2 has sold 150 million, then with the next generation it had a full year head start so if you wanted next gen and wanted to play online you HAD to get Xbox Live Gold. Had they launched side by side I think things would have been a bit different.

PS3 is already catching up sales wise despite Xbox having a year headstart and will probably surpass them in the not to distant future.

I remember when o2 did these for iPhone 4, years worth of data for ?15. Might grab one, does the year start when I activate it?

I believe it's activated by the guys that sell before posting. They need to be activated on an iPhone I believe, I guess if you have access to one you could message the seller and ask him to not activate it.

Perfect for the Vita where I was previously tethering my mobile to it. Now I don't have to worry.

You were the one bringing Xbox Live for the first xbox into it. All I was saying is that Xbox Live got a foothold because it was the first online service for a console and that it didn't have any competition, the Xbox sold 24 million, the PS2 has sold 150 million, then with the next generation it had a full year head start so if you wanted next gen and wanted to play online you HAD to get Xbox Live Gold. Had they launched side by side I think things would have been a bit different.

PS3 is already catching up sales wise despite Xbox having a year headstart and will probably surpass them in the not to distant future.

Right, all I said that XBL was a hit even before Xbox 360/PS3 came out because of Halo 2. You implied earlier that XBL worked because PS3 came out a year later whereas it was already a success in the previous generation (even if on a smaller scale).

I am not interested in getting into sales thing, factors and results are already well known. :/

I believe it's activated by the guys that sell before posting. They need to be activated on an iPhone I believe, I guess if you have access to one you could message the seller and ask him to not activate it.

Perfect for the Vita where I was previously tethering my mobile to it. Now I don't have to worry.

That's a shame, would have loved to have kept one aside just in case I needed the internet on something. I don't have access to an iPhone to be able to activate it.

Gone up a little but still a decent price for 12 months data.

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item43b556ed07

?18.99. Still pretty god damn impressive. Better coverage now too, as T-Mobile merged with Orange to become EE. I don't mind them activating it either; there are two iPhones in the house here, but they're both locked to O2, so I wouldn't be able to activate, and I've no need to pay the money to unlock mine, as I'm on giffgaff. The only concern I have is it says you get unlimited data browsing, but 500MB of downloading each month, so what's their way of differentiating between browsing and downloading? Because browsing technically is downloading. I'd assume playing online games on the Vita would fall under the downloading criteria.

?18.99. Still pretty god damn impressive. Better coverage now too, as T-Mobile merged with Orange to become EE. I don't mind them activating it either; there are two iPhones in the house here, but they're both locked to O2, so I wouldn't be able to activate, and I've no need to pay the money to unlock mine, as I'm on giffgaff. The only concern I have is it says you get unlimited data browsing, but 500MB of downloading each month, so what's their way of differentiating between browsing and downloading? Because browsing technically is downloading. I'd assume playing online games on the Vita would fall under the downloading criteria.

Given that there aren't any games that you can effectively play online via 3G it's limited to things like posting near data, email, collecting GPS data for apps like TravelBug, T@G or the turn based games like the card based Uncharted game or Pure Chess.

You were the one bringing Xbox Live for the first xbox into it. All I was saying is that Xbox Live got a foothold because it was the first online service for a console and that it didn't have any competition, the Xbox sold 24 million, the PS2 has sold 150 million, then with the next generation it had a full year head start so if you wanted next gen and wanted to play online you HAD to get Xbox Live Gold. Had they launched side by side I think things would have been a bit different.

PS3 is already catching up sales wise despite Xbox having a year headstart and will probably surpass them in the not to distant future.

How many Xbox360s did Microsoft sell before the PS3 came out? 4-5 million xbox360s? How many of those were Live? lets say half. But now there are over 40 million XBOX Live users,therefore even if they launched side by side,it would have made zero of a difference.

And sales wise, PS3 has a good 9 million on XBOX360 in Japan. Its Japan,sonys home turf,and they make software tailor made for that market. And who cares about those numbers anyways when its the software sales that matter. XBOX360 destroys PS3 in software sales. They sell massively more software,and that's where the profit is.

I'm confused..... What did I do? :p Or is this a jab at my golden boy :)

Just a Golden Boy quote. I believe that's exactly what he's saying in the scene your avatar comes from. I can't believe I ran across that in my collection just a couple weeks ago (Hello again, high school memories).

Just a Golden Boy quote. I believe that's exactly what he's saying in the scene your avatar comes from. I can't believe I ran across that in my collection just a couple weeks ago (Hello again, high school memories).

Ah ya lol. When he's working at the computer programing place. I love his interpretation of C+ into sexual bases :p Sure is some old memories of watching this :)

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