[compl3x]

I seen this reply to this story on another website and I just have to C&P it:

Let's examine how many of the seven deadly sins this pastor covered in this one act, shall we?

Gluttony? $34 for one meal sounds like appetizers, dessert, and perhaps even alcohol was added to the meal. Check.

Greed? Obvious check.

Sloth? Sometimes defined as a failure to so things one should do. So, check this one too.

Wrath? Definite uncontrolled feelings of rage here... towards the server. Check.

Pride? Signing it "Pastor" and bragging about giving money to his church definitely qualifies, don't you think? Another check.

Five out of seven isn't bad for one simple act. And this person is the spiritual "shepherd" of his flock?

Apparently, the women who posted this on reddit has been fired.

http://consumerist.c...fired-from-job/

[shakey]

The "pastor" is a woman, who has only 15 members in her "church", which is a rented storefront.

She has apparently done a few interviews and apologized, not for her actions or to the waiter, but for her getting caught in such a shallow act.

To me, it seems like everything about her is a sham.

Hopefully the waitress can find a better job... Wait , I'm sure she can find a better job, as Applebees is horrible and no one should work or eat there.

[compl3x]

I think the most obvious response should be "why does the supreme creator of the universe need your 10%?"

[moloko]

I do not understand is he is religious figure....shouldn't he be giving 100%

[Mr. Gibs]

no, you are right on...

and the fact some resturants have went as far as calling the cops on people for not paying a tip and pressing charges as "theft" is BS... a tip IS NOT MANDATORY there is no law in the USA that says you have to tip.... yet some places act like there is

Its illegal in some places, like Oregon, to underpay your staff because they earn tips. So waitstaff here make $9 an hour and still expect tips.

[spacer]

Well since this waitress was let go for yet another retarded reason simply because the company needed to save face, I really want to say "Good job Applebee's. You've now lost one more customer to this incident"...but I don't really need to. I've only been to an Applebee's one time in my life, and I vowed never to go back. It's a terrible restaurant.

Also, I'm all for having to pay tips on top of food cost because it makes wait staff more attentive and cordial. If they are neither, then they get no tip or pennies..and that hardly ever happens because they need the money. I can only count on one hand the number times in my life that I have received poor service at a restaurant...in the US. The same can definitely not be said about other places where tips are not expected or encouraged.

[LUTZIFER]

I never did understand the whole tipping thing.

Sure if I'm in a restaurant or bar, and the chick serving is hot, I might give her a tip.

But personally, I don't think it should be done. I never get tipped at my jobs for working my @ss off.

[zhangm Supervisor]

Well since this waitress was let go for yet another retarded reason simply because the company needed to save face, I really want to say "Good job Applebee's.

Not that I respect the franchise more for its actions, I have to agree with their reasoning. A customer's personal information was disclosed to the public, contrary to the company's policies. They have every right to fire the waiter for that.

[ILikeTobacco]

Tips are not mandatory and forcing you to pay for them is by definition theft. Management has to take it off the check if you refuse to pay it or you can sue the company. Granted, all of this can by subject to various laws, both on a state and local level.

As far as I am concerned, I usually tip 35% unless the service is bad. With bad service I pay 15%. When someone tries and puts a "mandatory" tip on my bill, I pay 0%.

[Colin McGregor]

You can tell the people that have never worked a day of restaurant work in their lives. Just tip don't be such cheap *******s. Its not like tips are a lot.

[ILikeTobacco]

You can tell the people that have never worked a day of restaurant work in their lives. Just tip don't be such cheap *******s. Its not like tips are a lot.

I worked in a restaurant for the first 2 years of college. If you are rude or give ****ty service, you usually don't get a tip. That is the fact of the job. Forcing your customers to tip is rude. Simple as that.

[compl3x]

If you want to see the end of tips, you have to start paying a living wage.

[chconline Veteran]

This is why I'm getting sick and tired of so called religious people.

And this is why I am sick and tired of these so-called anti-religious "activists".

If I wrote that I am Chinese and I pay no more than 10% to custom (Which is true to our culture), I bet no one would be like, "This is why I hate all Chinese people", which is considered hate speech. Double standards FTW.

I am not defending this person though, saying you are a pastor and saying you pay no more than 10% is a poor excuse of being cheap. On the other hand, mandatory tipping is BS. It keeps creeping up. Back then it was 10%, then it became 15, and now it's mandatory 18? Wtf?

[shakey]

And this is why I am sick and tired of these so-called anti-religious "activists".

If I wrote that I am Chinese and I pay no more than 10% to custom (Which is true to our culture), I bet no one would be like, "This is why I hate all Chinese people", which is considered hate speech. Double standards FTW.

You don't understand double standards huh?

Christianity is built upon helping the helpless, charity, giving to the poor, and essentially being selfless. This Christian ressembled none of those traits, but still flaunted that she was a "preacher".

If a chinese person only left 10% of a tip because that is what their culture does, they would be following what they believed. Christians believe 1 thing, then act a totally different way.

Learn the difference.

[spacer]

Not that I respect the franchise more for its actions, I have to agree with their reasoning. A customer's personal information was disclosed to the public, contrary to the company's policies. They have every right to fire the waiter for that.

If you read the article, the waitress who posted the receipt did so without revealing who the customer was or the waitress who served her. The only thing that MIGHT be considered revealing is the signature, but as the picture showed and she explained, it was too illegible to be of any use. No one found out who the customer was or anything.

[mudslag]

I never did understand the whole tipping thing.

Sure if I'm in a restaurant or bar, and the chick serving is hot, I might give her a tip.

But personally, I don't think it should be done. I never get tipped at my jobs for working my @ss off.

Do you get paid full pay for your job? Most of the service type industry, restaurants, bars, delivery type jobs, ect... don't pay their workers minimum wage, they include the tips as part of that wage. Many of those places even pool the tips or share them with say the bus boy or kitchen help, which cuts more into someone's daily wage even more. So instead of just tip based on someone being hot or not, tip knowing that it's the right thing to do.

[compl3x]

And this is why I am sick and tired of these so-called anti-religious "activists".

If I wrote that I am Chinese and I pay no more than 10% to custom (Which is true to our culture), I bet no one would be like, "This is why I hate all Chinese people", which is considered hate speech. Double standards FTW.

I am not defending this person though, saying you are a pastor and saying you pay no more than 10% is a poor excuse of being cheap. On the other hand, mandatory tipping is BS. It keeps creeping up. Back then it was 10%, then it became 15, and now it's mandatory 18? Wtf?

Absurd comparison.

[Rippleman]

Here's something I never really got when I moved from the UK (generally no tipping) to the US (generally always tip).

If I go into a restuarant and buy a $10 steak then I'm expected to leave a 20% tip if the waiter was good (as an example).

Now I go into the same restuarant, get the same waiter and the same service but this time I order a $50 steak. Why is it expected that I leave a larger tip just because I bought more expensive food?

makes too much sense :)

[LUTZIFER]

Do you get paid full pay for your job? Most of the service type industry, restaurants, bars, delivery type jobs, ect... don't pay their workers minimum wage, they include the tips as part of that wage. Many of those places even pool the tips or share them with say the bus boy or kitchen help, which cuts more into someone's daily wage even more. So instead of just tip based on someone being hot or not, tip knowing that it's the right thing to do.

The people that don't make much money at their job chose that job, therefore the best "tip", is get a better job.

Same thing goes for me, I've always worked my @ss off for what I make and have envied those who make more and work less, but it's my fault for choosing to do what I do.

[mudslag]

On the other hand, mandatory tipping is BS. It keeps creeping up. Back then it was 10%, then it became 15, and now it's mandatory 18? Wtf?

When the cost of living goes up, it tends to affect the lower income more so and those in the service industry are not known for rolling in the dough. If you read the article the mandatory 18% is for larger parties, which is pretty standard at most restaurants. You might want to consider why tipping increases before whining about it.

[shakey]

When the cost of living goes up, it tends to affect the lower income more so and those in the service industry are not known for rolling in the dough. If you read the article the mandatory 18% is for larger parties, which is pretty standard at most restaurants. You might want to consider why tipping increases before whining about it.

That would require someone though to stop focusing on themselves, and actually analyze the world and people around them in a selfless manner. I think that is asking too much from most people.

[compl3x]

The people that don't make much money at their job chose that job, therefore the best "tip", is get a better job.

Same thing goes for me, I've always worked my @ss off for what I make and have envied those who make more and work less, but it's my fault for choosing to do what I do.

And as we return to reality, we find out a lot of people have very little choice in where they work. Even well educated people sometimes have to settle for crappy jobs. They have to take what they can get, and the cost of living is always increasing and wages aren't matching those increases.

It may have been true that once you could walk out of one place of employment and find a better job next door, my parents tell me all the time how easy employment was when they were young. Now, that simply isn't the case, and it is naive, or perhaps ignorant, to believe it is.

[mudslag]

The people that don't make much money at their job chose that job, therefore the best "tip", is get a better job.

Same thing goes for me, I've always worked my @ss off for what I make and have envied those who make more and work less, but it's my fault for choosing to do what I do.

People take jobs they can get, I never "wanted" to be a delivery boy or waiter or bus boy but when i was younger, those were the only jobs options available, which is pretty typical for most in that industry. Very few can make it truly worth doing, it's not considered a "lifer" type job. Don't forget people "chose" to go out to eat or order pizza, ect. It cost gas money to deliver your hot pizza to your house because you don't feel like going to the store or cooking something up. People who work in the service industry don't have much say at how much they get paid. What you're doing here is bashing those that need work, ignoring that even if times are good for the economy, those jobs are still needed for people like you who chose to go out and be served your food instead of making it yourself. You still didn't answer my question, do you get paid full or at least minimum wage for your work?

[Mr. Gibs]

Do you get paid full pay for your job? Most of the service type industry, restaurants, bars, delivery type jobs, ect... don't pay their workers minimum wage, they include the tips as part of that wage. Many of those places even pool the tips or share them with say the bus boy or kitchen help, which cuts more into someone's daily wage even more. So instead of just tip based on someone being hot or not, tip knowing that it's the right thing to do.

Depends on where you live, there are a few states where that's illegal.

Also, unless I'm mistaken, I'm pretty sure if the people don't make at least minimum wage through tips then the employer has to make up the difference. Of course if that happens it probably means that you won't be working there for much longer since your employer will be made that he actually has to pay you.

[Stoffel]

Here in Honduras a lot of places now standard charge 10% service fee, even for a table of 2.

I have a real issue with that, specially because you never get good service. I don't mind tipping, but only if I'm happy with the service I got. Sadly enough in Honduras you don't get good service very often.

Same goes for putting prices on the menu but not including taxes. I hate it when the bill comes and then there is 12% extra on all the food items and 15% extra on all the drinks. Just tell me how much it is in the beginning, adding all that at the end makes me leave with a bad feeling and I probably won't come back to your restaurant.

I work in the service industry (scuba instructor) myself and we basically only get tipped from Americans, nobody else tips.