apple The Woz: We've Fallen Behind in Smartphones

[redvamp128]

None of this is anti Apple

I would not say falling behind as the WOZ said but more like in a mode of refining it. (the subtle improvements)

The only true complaint that I ever hear about the Iphone is this:

Pay $$$$$ get the phone setup the way you want then about a year later the battery wants to act up... pay $$$ get refurbished phone. (and the refurbished phone sometimes is not right)

Not on all phones but where the root of most complaints that I hear.

Where the much easier approach to fix this would be to make the battery have the ability for the User to change it.

What other features that he is talking about?

But then again we are only seeing short quotes from the whole interview.

Unless maybe he is talking about - Cost effective models to make available to a lot more people. (which if they would post the whole interview... that maybe what he is talking about)

Considering when he worked for Apple he was all about trying to bring down cost so that more people could enjoy the computer. (which it is possible he is thinking that may be the falling behind part by not offering a more cost effective model)

Price has always been a major hurdle for a bunch of people that I know from getting an Iphone.

Though the main point is this:

We do not see the whole interview so we really don't know what he meant by that statement.

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Well, I dont know about you. But I dont have the time nor the mood to experiment with every possible combination of toolsets in Android to find what suits me better. I prefer to do other things.

Not saying Android is a waste of time (I have owned two Android phones, one I loved it, the HTC One X) but please, dont pretend everyone has the time or the itch to try every possible app.

So, in a nutshell a Smartphone NEEDS:

A way to make phone calls: Both Android and iOS have that.

A way to send a receive ams: Both Android and iOS have that.

A way to send and receive emails: Both Android and iOS have that.

Alternative communication apps like whatsapp, facebook messenger or skype: Both Android and iOS have that.

A capable web browser: Both Android and iOS have that.

Note taking and voice taking: Both Android and iOS have that.

A weather app: Both Android and iOS have that.

A virtual voice assistant (This is a stretch, a smartphone does not really need it): Both Android and iOS have that.

So no, I don't see how iOS simplicity makes my work any harder either. It's what I use for work now.

Then my question is. Why use so much money on an iPhone to do those simple things when you can get another phone to half the price of an iPhone that do those things as good as an iPhone?

[sanctified Veteran]

If someone needs minimal, there are feature phones, too. I am not seeing the relevance of your argument.

Please, look at my previous post. I have made a very good case about how minimalism can be present in a smartphone experience. I need all the communicational features of a smartphone, some features that are not present in feature phones (Or are implemented bad, with horrible guy and awkward controls).

Im not interested in a debate about Android vs iOS. What I am interested in is in a community that can respect each other choices and not try to sell each other their own definition of what computing should be like geeky Jehovah's whiteness.

Just because iOS works good for you out of the box, it doesn't mean it will be the same for MANY others.

The exact inverse argument works for Android too and as far as I know rippleman nor me have ever tried to sell you the idea that iOS is better for everyone.

[adrynalyne]

Please, look at my previous post. I have made a very good case about how minimalism can be present in a smartphone experience. I need all the communicational features of a smartphone, some features that are not present in feature phones (Or are implemented bad, with horrible guy and awkward controls).

Im not interested in a debate about Android vs iOS. What I am interested in is in a community that can respect each other choices and not try to sell each other their own definition of what computing should be like geeky Jehovah's whiteness.

I am all for respect, but I also stand by the folks saying that iOS has gone stale and that the experience isn't much different than when it started. Android is evolving, and so is Windows Phone. I get that some people don't care about change, but in the same spirit of tolerance, you have to realize that not everyone wants the same exact experience year after year. The idea with new phone updates and OS updates is that people feel the DESIRE to move to them, not give a half-hearted sigh and shrug their shoulders.

On that note, OS X has become damn stale too, even though it offers a pleasant computing experience.

[sanctified Veteran]

Then my question is. Why use so much money on an iPhone to do those simple things when you can get another phone to half the price of an iPhone that do those things as good as an iPhone?

Industrial design. That's my prerogative.

Also, no phone is really expensive. Not in my opinion at least. I wont be broke if I buy a top of the line smartphone. I have owned three.

but in the same spirit of tolerance, you have to realize that not everyone wants the same exact experience year after year.

And believe me, I realize and understand that. Heck, I even understand it, thats why you will never see me saying to someone that x system is better. There is no such thing in my book.

I just expect the same level of respect from others.

[adrynalyne]

Industrial design. That's my prerogative.

Also, no phone is really expensive. Not in my opinion at least. I wont be broke if I buy a top of the line smartphone. I have owned three.

And believe me, I realize and understand that. Heck, I even understand it, thats why you will never see me saying to someone that x system is better. There is no such thing in my book.

I just expect the same level of respect from others.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-28/nokia-s-6-800-diamond-crusted-vertu-phone-defies-slump-to-win-sales-tech.html

[sanctified Veteran]

http://www.bloomberg...sales-tech.html

Ok, now that's expensive, holy crap :|

But I get your point. Yes, it seems silly. But is his money.

[srbeen]

Industrial design. That's my prerogative.

Also, no phone is really expensive. Not in my opinion at least. I wont be broke if I buy a top of the line smartphone. I have owned three.

And believe me, I realize and understand that. Heck, I even understand it, thats why you will never see me saying to someone that x system is better. There is no such thing in my book.

I just expect the same level of respect from others.

Industrial design? Care to elaborate? From an industry standoint the scales are heavily tipped to an android side thanks to being open-source. With Jelly Bean the software is equal ease-of-use to an iPhone, and the hardware is leaps and bounds over what Apple offers.

Any jailbroken iOS is equal players in my books to android. Whatever isn't in the garden is in the cydia shed. For the most part its an equal experience, unless you waste $10 on the android version of songsterr. Its worse than the free website. iOS version is outstanding and 50% more expensive for some reason.

[sanctified Veteran]

Industrial design? Care to elaborate?

Industrial design is the discipline of designing the looks of the things we use daily.

[srbeen]

Industrial design is the discipline of designing the looks of the things we use daily.

Gotcha, what worked in 2007 is perfect for 2013.

Not meaning something is wrong with the same interface for 6 years - this works great for Toyota and iOS does a great job at appearing to be stable and providing a consistent experience. It does get people curious as to what Windows and Google are up to though. iPhone 5 and the release of the iPad4 so quickly followed by an iPad mini disappointed quite a few of my iSheep friends.. Their toys were not noticeably increasing in features or speed, but they were diminishing in value long before they got to play them enough.

[sanctified Veteran]

Gotcha, what worked in 2007 is perfect for 2013.

For me it is. I never said it was the best industrial design for everyone. Or did I? :)

Design taste is totally a personal choice. I love the iPhone 5 looks and feel, but you will never see me saying it's the best. Or should I only like Android phones? (Because I also think the HTC ONE X looks marvelous).

Why are you so confrontative with other's choices?

[srbeen]

For me it is. I never said it was the best industrial design for everyone. Or did I? :)

Design taste is totally a personal choice. I love the iPhone 5 looks and feel, but you will never see me saying it's the best. Or should I only like Android phones? (Because I also think the HTC ONE X looks marvelous).

Why are you so confrontative with other's choices?

You should like what you want to, don't let some retard like me on an internet forum change your perspective. I hate iOS for a cell OS, while my girlfriend is about to purchase a new iPhone 5...

I personally use both a lot, nearly every day over a few different devices (ipad, ipod, nexus and iconia). So to each their own. iOS is consistent across EVERYTHING, pads, pods, tablets, even OSX is getting close. My SGSII, nexus 7 and Acer Iconia, while all running android, all operate COMPLETELY different while still being somewhat similar.

In my humble little bubble of a world every phone would run android OS and every tablet would run iOS. and every computer would be running a linux kernel. Thats just me, thats whats reliable and functional and works for me. Im also incredibly frugal. I dont like spending $800 on a 6x3 inch piece of metal I'm likely to break or lose. my $250 SGSII outright is a much better option. I can replace it 3 times and still be on top.

I like how many devs on android offer free side-load apps on their development blog, while their play listing costs money... Things like that, the flexibility. It comes at a price though. Learning curve for android is likely as steep as it was for linux.

I personally find iOS to be ridiculously expensive for its featureset these days. In 2007 it was the absolute best bang for your dollar. These days android has superseeded it in flexibility, windows in performance. If it weren't for jailbreaking to allow SBsettings, XBMC, barrel, quick-toggles, and the many more talented 'under the table' iOS devs, there would be no way I would ever touch iOS again.

my 2006 macbook and 2007 mac mini which hardly ever see any downtime are working as good today as the day I bought them from the apple reseller. Very few people can say that about any computer.

[Rippleman]

Just because iOS works good for you out of the box, it doesn't mean it will be the same for MANY others. You will still be able to get a much better results if you set up an Android phone. No brands knows what's the best way for it's users to use their phones. It's only you that knows that.

isn't that what i just said with IOS? and no, I don't want to set up Android phone. Been there, done that, hassle, no thanks. You can tell me all day long that being left handed is better, but in the end, if I am right handed, I will not teach myself to be left handed just to please the masses of Android users. From what i been seeing in the last year, here on neowin shifted from apple worship (allegedly) to android worship, my goodness, its just a phone, get out and enjoy life a bit more LOL

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

isn't that what i just said with IOS? and no, I don't want to set up Andriod phone. Been there, done that, hassle, no thanks.

Then you will agree that Android will be better for your daily usage if you set it up your way instead of using it out of the box.

It takes anyone with some braincells to figure out how to add a lil widget. If peoples have problems to learn those simple steps, then i'm afraid the problem isn't Android, but the user. And those users isn't normal then.

ANY users who have the ability to use a normal computer. Doesn't matter if it's Windows, Mac OSX or Linux, they WILL have the understanding on how to use an Android device easily then.

[sanctified Veteran]

You should like what you want to, don't let some retard like me on an internet forum change your perspective. I hate iOS for a cell OS, while my girlfriend is about to purchase a new iPhone 5...

I personally use both a lot, nearly every day over a few different devices (ipad, ipod, nexus and iconia). So to each their own. iOS is consistent across EVERYTHING, pads, pods, tablets, even OSX is getting close. My SGSII, nexus 7 and Acer Iconia, while all running android, all operate COMPLETELY different while still being somewhat similar.

In my humble little bubble of a world every phone would run android OS and every tablet would run iOS. and every computer would be running a linux kernel. Thats just me, thats whats reliable and functional and works for me. Im also incredibly frugal. I dont like spending $800 on a 6x3 inch piece of metal I'm likely to break or lose. my $250 SGSII outright is a much better option. I can replace it 3 times and still be on top.

I like how many devs on android offer free side-load apps on their development blog, while their play listing costs money... Things like that, the flexibility. It comes at a price though. Learning curve for android is likely as steep as it was for linux.

I personally find iOS to be ridiculously expensive for its featureset these days. In 2007 it was the absolute best bang for your dollar. These days android has superseeded it in flexibility, windows in performance. If it weren't for jailbreaking to allow SBsettings, XBMC, barrel, quick-toggles, and the many more talented 'under the table' iOS devs, there would be no way I would ever touch iOS again.

my 2006 macbook and 2007 mac mini which hardly ever see any downtime are working as good today as the day I bought them from the apple reseller. Very few people can say that about any computer.

And I respect that.

I really wish for a computing standard based on the GNU/Linux kernel and logistics but with the OS X aesthetics (Darwin is not enough). I really wish to stop depending on some closed source app suites and addons. However and cant deny their value.

[Rippleman]

Then you will agree that Android will be better for your daily usage if you set it up your way instead of using it out of the box.

no, i will not agree to that. I tried it, didn't like it. Had it set up the way i want and STILL did not like it. Earlier today i had some Jehovah's stop by, this reminds me a lot of that situation.

[123456789A]

I love Windows Phone.

[sanctified Veteran]

I love Windows Phone.

It's lovable indeed. I had an LG Black using WP 7.5

Awesome phone. too bad someone stole it :/

[rfirth]

my 2006 macbook and 2007 mac mini which hardly ever see any downtime are working as good today as the day I bought them from the apple reseller. Very few people can say that about any computer.

And my 2005 Dell laptop works just as well today as it did when I purchased it 8 years ago. My main desktop computer is from 2007/2008. My tablet pc is from 2008. All working fine and running Windows 8.

The difference? My 2005 laptop is still supported by Microsoft. Your 2006 and 2007 Apple computers? Support dropped. No Mountain Lion for you.

[bandit_liberty_rumble]

My 2005 laptop is still supported by Microsoft.

Out of curiosity, how well does Windows 8 run on that?

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

no, i will not agree to that. I tried it, didn't like it. Had it set up the way i want and STILL did not like it. Earlier today i had some Jehovah's stop by, this reminds me a lot of that situation.

Just because YOU didn't like it doesn't mean Android wont be better by setting it up your way.

Out of curiosity, how well does Windows 8 run on that?

It runs as good as it runs Windows XP on it.

[sanctified Veteran]

Just because YOU didn't like it doesn't mean Android wont be better by setting it up your way.

What if iOS is just his way?

Yes, is possible, if he says he had used Android and customized it then you have to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.

[bandit_liberty_rumble]

It runs as good as it runs Windows XP on it.

You two share the same laptop?

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

What if iOS is just his way?

Yes, is possible, if he says he had used Android and customized it then you have to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.

Then he is lucky.

You two share the same laptop?

Have you seen the specs Windows 8 nees to run good?

A computer from 2005 would have no problems with that.

[Scorbing]

The Woz is right. Apple has lost the edge. The old man died and nothing has been the same. They seem to have lost track of what they are doing. They don't know right from left. They are out of new ideas and innovations and it shows. The Woz should return to Apple as a consultant to help them out before they really sink the ship.