Can someone explain why I shouldn't get an AMD FX CPU?

[Luc2k]

Try actually reading the link I posted.

The link came after. Also you could try reading your own link as well. How does 213=3*161 (stock) or 364=3*267 (oc)?

[Detection]

Your phenom 2 is likely holding things back more than you think, especially with a gpu like that.

I've left a few different apps open during gaming to monitor my CPU load and I think GTAIV pulled the most from it, recently barely anything

But as I just said the 2500k and the 8350 are the SAME PRICE. It's not high end when the 2 products are the same price.

Ok, so offer OP a setup then !

We're not sizing d*cks here, we're trying to offer advice

[Ambroos]

Efficiency should not be undervalued. Less power consumption = less heat = less noise. I've recently built quite a powerful Ivy Bridge system for someone and even under full CPU load it was hardly audible. If AMD CPU's really can use 200W+ under load it'll be very noisy.

[Noir Angel]

Ok, not 3x higher, but still a significant difference. More power consumption for less raw performance isn't an acceptable tradeoff regardless of how you pad the numbers.

Ok, so offer OP a setup then !

We're not sizing d*cks here, we're trying to offer advice

I am offering him advice... the advice that choosing a poorer performing option over a better option when paying the same money is bad :/

[Detection]

I am offering him advice... the advice that choosing a poorer performing option over a better option when paying the same money is bad :/

And if you read my posts, I promote Intel as the better option if you have the ?? or as you say, it is the same price, so long as you are happy to buy that setup and more or less be done with upgrading without buying a new socket board for their next CPU releases

[Noir Angel]

There's absolutely no guarantee that AMD will stick to the same socket either, buying computer components on a basis of complete guesswork isn't rational. All I am trying to do is advise him to buy the product that will perform best in his price range. If it had been 2005 and the question had been AMD Opteron vs Pentium D I'd have advised the AMD option hands down, but this is 2012 and the Intel option will be his best bet for gaming. Yes, sockets are likely to change but that's nothing more than guesswork at the moment.

[Detection]

There's absolutely no guarantee that AMD will stick to the same socket either, buying computer components on a basis of complete guesswork isn't rational. All I am trying to do is advise him to buy the product that will perform best in his price range. If it had been 2005 and the question had been AMD Opteron vs Pentium D I'd have advised the AMD option hands down, but this is 2012 and the Intel option will be his best bet for gaming. Yes, sockets are likely to change but that's nothing more than guesswork at the moment.

Guesswork?

AMD have always done their best to provide backwards compatible hardware, I had an ancient AM2 board with this PII 965 I have now in my AM3+ board

Yes they will inevitably move to a new socket board which will require a new socket CPU, but do some research...

[Jeston Veteran]

I have to agree with Javik. With all the benefits going to the 2500k and it being almost the same price, it would be ludicrous to not go for that over the AMD.

Not sure what Detection is going on about...

Should be /thread.

[bikeman25]

Hi All

Got Me a NEW System in June 2012, Spent months debating between AMD and Intel, In the End Choose an AMD APU based system with my budget could handle, and have to say it holds it's own in games, and other things I do, sure not the fastest machine I could've gotten, but it works for my needs.

Runs Metro 2033 Just fine, Battlefield 3, Crysis 3, Secondlife, and Photoshop and Windows 8 Pro 64bit

Thought about AMD Fx system for a bit there, but ended up being over budget for myself

[Noir Angel]

Guesswork?

AMD have always done their best to provide backwards compatible hardware, I had an ancient AM2 board with this PII 965 I have now in my AM3+ board

Yes they will inevitably move to a new socket board which will require a new socket CPU, but do some research...

That approach might be cheaper but it also causes technology to stagnate. My motherboard was actually the most expensive part of my current build, even more so than the CPU but I was happy to pay it because it's a fantastic board. Even if the physical characteristics of a CPU socket stay the same, newer motherboards invariably bring some technological enhancements so staying with the same motherboard for years isn't necessarily a good thing anyway.

[Luc2k]

I have to agree with Javik. With all the benefits going to the 2500k and it being almost the same price, it would be ludicrous to not go for that over the AMD.

Not sure what Detection is going on about...

Should be /thread.

You could buy cheaper parts and overclock those unlike anything else that isn't K series which only allow for a very tiny increase.

/thread?

[Elliot B.]

That approach might be cheaper but it also causes technology to stagnate. My motherboard was actually the most expensive part of my current build, even more so than the CPU but I was happy to pay it because it's a fantastic board. Even if the physical characteristics of a CPU socket stay the same, newer motherboards invariably bring some technological enhancements so staying with the same motherboard for years isn't necessarily a good thing anyway.

I never pay more than ?50 for a motherboard since I don't overclock, and also since motherboards don't affect system performance at all. As long as the motherboard has the right amount of ports for me, I'm happy.

[Arceles]

I say go for AMD, difference is negligible nowadays in gaming, plus they are cheaper and normally better in multithreading task (most of newer games are like this), thin about it, you get nice hardware for less (plus a motherboard that will surely last longer that most of the intel builds)

[Crisp]

Insanely high power usage. Around 100-150 watts idle, and 300+ at load (and that's without overclocking).

lolwut

[Noir Angel]

You could buy cheaper parts and overclock those unlike anything else that isn't K series which only allow for a very tiny increase.

/thread?

And given that the 2500k is about the same price as the 8350 that argument is null and void and was before you even wasted the effort on typing.

I never pay more than ?50 for a motherboard since I don't overclock, and also since motherboards don't affect system performance at all. As long as the motherboard has the right amount of ports for me, I'm happy.

Complete fallacy. Motherboards absolutely have an effect on system performance.

[giantpotato]

That approach might be cheaper but it also causes technology to stagnate. My motherboard was actually the most expensive part of my current build, even more so than the CPU but I was happy to pay it because it's a fantastic board. Even if the physical characteristics of a CPU socket stay the same, newer motherboards invariably bring some technological enhancements so staying with the same motherboard for years isn't necessarily a good thing anyway.

You're just supporting his point. He was able to upgrade to the newest motherboard with all the "technological enhancements" and keep his old CPU.

[Noir Angel]

And as stated, he'll be buying a new socket regardless of what he buys so that's completely irrelevant. Anyway, the facts have been presented. The 2500k is a better CPU than the 8350 for his needs, it's the same price, and it consumes less power. Those are the facts, and I am no longer going to waste my time with this as if the OP wants to take the advice of people that are advising him to basically waste his money that's his loss.

[Detection]

You're just supporting his point. He was able to upgrade to the newest motherboard with all the "technological enhancements" and keep his old CPU.

Thank you

[Arceles]

Please note... there is no post where Javik says actually something in favor of AMD, all what he tries to do is to promote Intel. (look at his post for it, it isn't the first time that he does that, even when persons only asks for AMD processors only)

[Detection]

And as stated, he'll be buying a new socket regardless of what he buys so that's completely irrelevant. Anyway, the facts have been presented. The 2500k is a better CPU than the 8350 for his needs, it's the same price, and it consumes less power. Those are the facts, and I am no longer going to waste my time with this as if the OP wants to take the advice of people that are advising him to basically waste his money that's his loss.

No, I said I would buy an 8350 CPU, which is the same socket as the motherboard I own

My upgrades are my choice

[Luc2k]

And given that the 2500k is about the same price as the 8350 that argument is null and void and was before you even wasted the effort on typing.

Complete fallacy. Motherboards absolutely have an effect on system performance.

How about the 8320? That one is cheaper and can be overclocked to 8350 levels and beyond.

As for motherboard performance, show some proof. Differences are less than 3% unless its defective.

[Noir Angel]

No, what I'm doing is advising the guy to buy the product that fits his needs better in his price range. The 2500k is a better gaming CPU than the 8350 and it's the same price, which makes it a better choice for him. I've owned AMD and Intel products in the past so I am actually pretty objective here.

If there are 2 products in a price range and one performs better than another for a user's needs then it's not bloody rocket science, you advise the user to buy what suits their needs.

[Crisp]

How about the 8320? That one is cheaper and can be overclocked to 8350 levels and beyond.

As for motherboard performance, show some proof. Differences are less than 3% unless its defective.

But, but, but... the FX chip runs at 9000+ watts moar than Intels!!

Don't you just love when people pull "facts" from their rear.

The Intel fanboyism is strong in this thread.

[Arceles]

No, what I'm doing is advising the guy to buy the product that fits his needs better in his price range. The 2500k is a better gaming CPU than the 8350 and it's the same price, which makes it a better choice for him. I've owned AMD and Intel products in the past so I am actually pretty objective here.

If there are 2 products in a price range and one performs better than another for a user's needs then it's not bloody rocket science, you advise the user to buy what suits their needs.

Yeah..... no, you always say that in all your post.

[Noir Angel]

How about the 8320? That one is cheaper and can be overclocked to 8350 levels and beyond.

As for motherboard performance, show some proof. Differences are less than 3% unless its defective.

I'd advise learning to read. The OP said he doesn't like to overclock which makes that completely irrelevant.