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This is from win8china, they not only confirmed the new kernel 6.3 for build 9319, but also claimed that there would be a MileStone Preview:

http://www.win8china.com/html/4179.html#

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If what win8china reports is true, then it is real good news, because the earlier rumor was that there would be no winblue public preview.

Also, this was posted in Soft-Forum, if the build tag was legit, then build 9289 was actually compiled 2 months ago!

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One rumor says that they'll have a m2 build and then go right to rtm without any preview. This newer one talks about m2 actually being the first and only preview with a rtm, or rather rtw in August or September.

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posted in soft-forum, but it's a Chinese version, no idea if it's real/fake. (If real, then it means build 9289 already got the 6.3 kernel)

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This is a fake, please just ignor it. :angry:
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Just came across this

"Comprehensive update Windows Blue will return to the familiar Windows 8 "Start" menu, which is present in previous versions of the OS."

New comprehensive update to Windows 8/RT, Windows Server 2012 and Windows Phone 8 and cloud Outlook.com and called SkyDrive Windows Blue appears in the middle of this year. One of the purposes of this update is to optimize the work and the interest of the users of the operating system from Microsoft.

As requested by users of Windows 8, developers will return to running the usual "Start" menu, which is present in previous versions of Windows. Recall that in the newest version of Windows "Start" button has been replaced by a screen with "live" tiles that reflect the application. This change, of course, suitable for users of devices with touch screens, however, the management of the mouse on the laptop or PC, the interface is not as practical.

According to the Net Applications, the share of Windows 8 operating system market is growing , but demand did not meet projections. One reason for this was just a new interface, not enthused by users. In February of this year, Windows 8 had 2.67% of the OS market, which is slightly higher than the January result of 2.26%. The most popular are still in earlier versions of Windows 7 (44.55%) and Windows XP (38.99%).

Source

http://translate.goo...ws%2F438306.php

Another wishful thinking rumour or more ?

Just came across this

"Comprehensive update Windows Blue will return to the familiar Windows 8 "Start" menu, which is present in previous versions of the OS."

New comprehensive update to Windows 8/RT, Windows Server 2012 and Windows Phone 8 and cloud Outlook.com and called SkyDrive Windows Blue appears in the middle of this year. One of the purposes of this update is to optimize the work and the interest of the users of the operating system from Microsoft.

As requested by users of Windows 8, developers will return to running the usual "Start" menu, which is present in previous versions of Windows. Recall that in the newest version of Windows "Start" button has been replaced by a screen with "live" tiles that reflect the application. This change, of course, suitable for users of devices with touch screens, however, the management of the mouse on the laptop or PC, the interface is not as practical.

According to the Net Applications, the share of Windows 8 operating system market is growing , but demand did not meet projections. One reason for this was just a new interface, not enthused by users. In February of this year, Windows 8 had 2.67% of the OS market, which is slightly higher than the January result of 2.26%. The most popular are still in earlier versions of Windows 7 (44.55%) and Windows XP (38.99%).

Source

http://translate.goo...ws%2F438306.php

Another wishful thinking rumour or more ?

If they bring back the start menu, I'll do a back flip. :laugh:

If they bring back the start menu, I'll do a back flip. :laugh:

I`l join you, I'm not expecting them to, but giving the users a choice would be a good move

I'm in on that.

Now, I am not saying drop the start screen as there are some people out there that for some reason like it. However having the option to have the Classic start menu with ability to 100% disable the start screen would be "ah... mazing."

Just came across this

"Comprehensive update Windows Blue will return to the familiar Windows 8 "Start" menu, which is present in previous versions of the OS."

New comprehensive update to Windows 8/RT, Windows Server 2012 and Windows Phone 8 and cloud Outlook.com and called SkyDrive Windows Blue appears in the middle of this year. One of the purposes of this update is to optimize the work and the interest of the users of the operating system from Microsoft.

As requested by users of Windows 8, developers will return to running the usual "Start" menu, which is present in previous versions of Windows. Recall that in the newest version of Windows "Start" button has been replaced by a screen with "live" tiles that reflect the application. This change, of course, suitable for users of devices with touch screens, however, the management of the mouse on the laptop or PC, the interface is not as practical.

According to the Net Applications, the share of Windows 8 operating system market is growing , but demand did not meet projections. One reason for this was just a new interface, not enthused by users. In February of this year, Windows 8 had 2.67% of the OS market, which is slightly higher than the January result of 2.26%. The most popular are still in earlier versions of Windows 7 (44.55%) and Windows XP (38.99%).

Source

http://translate.goo...ws%2F438306.php

Another wishful thinking rumour or more ?

It's already been confirmed via a Microsoft job posting and various sources that the Start Menu will NOT be coming back. Use your heads, why would Microsoft up and abandon the Windows Store, and limit the devices Windows can run on, just like that?

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It's already been confirmed via a Microsoft job posting and various sources that the Start Menu will NOT be coming back. Use your heads, why would Microsoft up and abandon the Windows Store, and limit the devices Windows can run on, just like that?

With the failure of windows 8 now official and your links being old news I think it's possible there might have been some changes in direction over in Redmond recently, one can only hope they finally got back on the right track but I'm not holding my breath, Ballmer is still there.

With the failure of windows 8 now official and your links being old news I think it's possible there might have been some changes in direction over in Redmond recently, one can only hope they finally got back on the right track but I'm not holding my breath, Ballmer is still there.

Your bias against the OS does not make it a failure, or an "official" failure. Whatever that means. Take a look at the job posting (that was posted less than a month ago, mind you):

We?re looking for an excellent, experienced SDET to join the Core Experience team in Windows Sustained Engineering (WinSE). The Core Experience features are the centerpiece of the new Windows UI, representing most of what customers touch and see in the OS, including: the start screen; application lifecycle; windowing; and personalization. Windows Blue promises to build and improve upon these aspects of the OS, enhancing ease of use and the overall user experience on devices and PCs worldwide.
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No, what's making it a failure is that it's not even outselling what Vista was doing within the same timeframe of it's launch.

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No, what's making it a failure is that it's not even outselling what Vista was doing within the same timeframe of it's launch.

There's a lot wrong in comparing direct numbers. I assume you've done the math and accounted for sales of non traditional PCs, and also taken into account a changed market since 2006?

Even if you add the 3 million or so tablets (and that's assuming the figures don't already account for them), the sales figures are already poor.

Fact is, you can rationalise all you want, if Windows 8 were a good consumer OS it would have no trouble garnering sales.

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Even if you add the 3 million or so tablets (and that's assuming the figures don't already account for them), the sales figures are already poor.

Fact is, you can rationalise all you want, if Windows 8 were a good consumer OS it would have no trouble garnering sales.

You're forgetting the fact that there is 30% of Windows XP users who will be jumping ship next year. Most likely waiting for the first update to Windows 8.

There's a lot wrong in comparing direct numbers. I assume you've done the math and accounted for sales of non traditional PCs, and also taken into account a changed market since 2006?

At this point I think we can all safely dismiss your posts on this topic. You absolutely love Windows 8, you're a complete apologist for it, you'll jump to its defense at every opportunity and argue with or insult anybody who doesn't like it. We get it, okay?

You have no inside information, and you don't know what MS plans to do anymore than the rest of us do. As much as you constantly post about how "the start menu is NEVER coming back", the fact is that Windows 8 is a commercial failure, and that failure WILL be addressed in some manner by Microsoft as they develop Windows 9.

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The fact that Microsoft are ending XP support doesn't mean that the users are going to automatically jump ship, nor does it guarantee that they'll migrate to 8 given that 7 will probably still be available through retail.

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Man... now I'm getting my hopes up, if they bring it back it would be like they finally listened... but this is just too good to be true....

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