Restore Start menu but limit it to Pro edition

[Dashel]

Ramble Ramble Ramble

In terms of how to maneuver around the OS, there is NO other difference. How many users - even those still using Windows 7 - center all their operations around the Start menu? Now, if you are a user that does, in fact, center most of how you get to things around the Start menu, its excision is going to be massive.

However, other than that, nothing really changed from a user-operations POV between 7 and 8.

First, it absolutely changes how they maneuver, isn't that what this is all about? Change for the better, change for the future? It changes workflow the first time they open almost anything and changes navigation to find their way back. If you can't see the many pitfalls that are already hitting the help desk, you're blind.

Your other statement was spot on, I'm just not sure how you sweep a mammoth like that under the rug. If you heavily used the Start Menu, you will feel it more than most should not be a point of argument.

[Crimson Rain]

Deal with it.

[MikeChipshop Member]

Why is this even an issue, as with all versions of Windows before it, 8 has this thing called '3rd Party Software'. There are plenty of programs to make Windows how you want it, use them.

[Arceles]

I only go to windows 8 for playing games... windows 7 on the other hand, WORK.

[TAZMINATOR]

they did ti with win 3.11 to 95, u didnt have a start menu back then and then wulla u have it, people were furious about it and didnt like it

It wasn't about start menu that time.. It was about people who hates changes like Microsoft moved stuff around/changed UI. Which is why, people can't find something they look for. Hence, they HATE it.

I don't care if Microsoft add/remove the features or change the looks in UI.

Car factories do the same thing to their cars as well.. For example, they moved windshield switch from left side to the right side of the steering wheel. They changed the button types on their radio/AC unit ... Now, newer cars have touchscreen on their dash. I know some friends who do not like computer based cars... they want old fashion cars that have no computer crap in it. A few of them that have new cars for daily use and use old cars for fun.

You notice something at grocery store (other stores as well) that they move stuff around... how you feel about that?

That's the way we do is make some changes for better... no matter if you like it or not. How you feel if you make changes to your app for your users and users do not like it? It is about company wins their customers back based on the changes or new features. If the users do not like it, they can move on to new product that made by other company. For example, you moved from Apple to Android for a new phone since Apple has not changed a bit in homescreen UI.

[Nick H. Supervisor]

I only go to windows 8 for playing games... windows 7 on the other hand, WORK.

Some would say that sums up the differences in the operating systems quite nicely. :laugh:

[McKay]

Some would say that sums up the differences in the operating systems quite nicely. :laugh:

Windows 7 has no games. :rofl:

[+Warwagon MVC]

Car factories do the same thing to their cars as well.. For example, they moved windshield switch from left side to the right side of the steering wheel. They changed the button types on their radio/AC unit ... Now, newer cars have touchscreen on their dash. I know some friends who do not like computer based cars... they want old fashion cars that have no computer crap in it. A few of them that have new cars for daily use and use old cars for fun.

You notice something at grocery store (other stores as well) that they move stuff around... how you feel about that?

Cars move the windshield switch, they don't hide it until the user waves their hand or stick their finger in the corner of the car to make it reappear.

Grocery stores move food around all the time, that's true. What they don't do is hide the entire aisle and make you find the nearest corner to stand in, or use a keyboard on your shopping cart to do a key combo to make the aisle reappear.

[TAZMINATOR]

Yes, but cars move the windshield switch, they don't hide it until the user has to wave their hand or stick their finger in the corner of the car to make it reappear.

Grocery stores move food around all the time, that's true. What they don't do is hide the entire aisle and make you find the nearest corner to stand in, or use a keyboard on your shopping cart to do a key combo to make the aisle reappear.

Dude, I was talking about make changes for better... I did not say hide stuff... where did I say hide?

[+Warwagon MVC]

Dude, I was talking about make changes for better... I did not say hide stuff... where did I say hide?

I just re-read your post. Now i'm thinking you are anti win8, though i'm still not entirely sure.

[bandit_liberty_rumble]

Who needs a Start menu anymore once the Desktop is gone for good.

[TAZMINATOR]

I just re-read your post. Now i'm thinking you are anti win8, though i'm still not entirely sure.

You are thinking wrong.

I have Windows 8 Pro.. so I am automatically anti Windows 8, huh?

What's wrong with you?

Like I said before, I don't care if Microsoft add/remove the features. I am not complaining about it. It is their decision.

I have used Linux, Windows, BeOS. I have not tried Mac Pro yet... but I have used iPhone, AppleTV, iPad.

They all work fine for me when I use them. No complaints there.

[+Warwagon MVC]

You are thinking wrong.

I have Windows 8 Pro.. so I am automatically anti Windows 8, huh?

What's wrong with you?

Like I said before, I don't care if Microsoft add/remove the features. I am not complaining about it. It is their decision.

I have used Linux, Windows, BeOS. I have not tried Mac Pro yet... but I have used iPhone, AppleTV, iPad.

They all work fine for me when I use them. No complaints there.

So then where you comparing the changes cars and grocery stores make to the changes Microsoft made with windows 8?

[Dashel]

Which is really what many arguments regarding Metro boil down to. Its not just about the Start Menu or application launching. Its Start, Desktop, and Taskbar (ie a whole new UI paradigm) rolled together to accommodate coarse control mechanisms.

[TAZMINATOR]

So then where you comparing the changes cars and grocery stores make to the changes Microsoft made with windows 8?

Forget it, you don't get it.. I was NOT comparing... I was talking about "MAKING CHANGES"... get it?

[+Warwagon MVC]

Forget it, you don't get it.. I was NOT comparing... I was talking about "MAKING CHANGES"... get it?

change huh? Well in that case I stand by "Hiding stuff comment". You never said anything about cars or grocery stores hiding anything, this is true. I'm the one talking about hiding stuff. Cars / Grocery stores and Windows 8 are 2 very different types of change. Cars / Grocery stores move things , Windows 8 hides them out of sight.

[Avi Patel]

I still fail to understand so many people can't use the start screen.

it's the same basic thing....and you've got more space to put stuff on there.

it's just like a full-screen start menu... i mean, what's the problem in seeing that??

[XerXis]

oh give it up already. There have been like a Thousand threads about it. Microsoft is not bringing it back, if you want it, you can install a third party start menu and everyone is happy.

[c.grz]

I only go to windows 8 for playing games... windows 7 on the other hand, WORK.

I remember seeing a similar comment about 12 or so years ago. It went something like this:

I only go to windows xp for playing games...windows 2000 on the other hand, WORK.

[Gio Takahashi]

I still fail to understand so many people can't use the start screen.

it's the same basic thing....and you've got more space to put stuff on there.

it's just like a full-screen start menu... i mean, what's the problem in seeing that??

That's precisely how I feel.

I never understood the extreme wailing toward the "lack of" start menu. Metro, aka Start Screen, is... pretty much the same thing, except better. Grouping's better. Everything's still there, and hell it looks better.

Then I see someone pointing out the fast access to the necessities: Control Panel, Search, Run, etc... That fast access is still there. Right click the bottom, left hand corner of the screen. All the said necessity is still there.

In my opinion, start screen made start menu redundant. I installed a start menu hack early on, and I found myself just... not using it at all, and eventually got rid of it, as I've already found myself preferring the start screen more. Personally I feel Start Screen could be a bit more customized (thank you Oblytile and Decor8). I don't see start menu coming back at all, nor would I support it being back at all.

But hey, it's your computer. You do what you want.

Now as for the desktop...

Who needs a Start menu anymore once the Desktop is gone for good.

That, alone, would be pretty much a business suicidal move. The rage regarding the 'lack' of start menu would be one thing, but the complete lack of desktop would be a whole another thing, especially since like... 99% of the software still rely on desktop.

[Arachno 1D]

When I need a screwdriver giving me a hammer and telling me its innovative and the new way of doing it doesn't really cut the mustard with me,if anything its just a Uniformly Insulting feature

[Gio Takahashi]

When I need a screwdriver giving me a hammer and telling me its innovative and the new way of doing it doesn't really cut the mustard with me,if anything its just a Uniformly Insulting feature

...Except with Start Menu and Start Screen, I feel like that my screwdriver has been replaced with a sonic screwdriver-- a screwdriver with more bells and whistles > >

[Arachno 1D]

OOH SHINEY!............sounds about right for that one :D

[sanctified Veteran]

they did ti with win 3.11 to 95, u didnt have a start menu back then and then wulla u have it, people were furious about it and didnt like it

Actually that's not true. Windows 95 was universally acclaimed.

[Order_66]

The intent of the start screen is to phase out older devices that still rely on screen resolutions of less then 1024*768. Most users now use a screen size of 1366*768. on most systems the small menu wasn't using the space of a full screen so it was in fact leaving a dead space.

Yes because keeping something that works perfectly fine on lower resolutions AND higher resolutions is the wrong thing to do, we must throw random garbage all over the screen just for the sake of the free real estate.

/s