win8 Windows RT facing pressure from being isolated

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Windows RT facing pressure from being isolated

 

Microsoft's Windows RT operating system may fall to the same fate as Hewlett-Packard's (HP) webOS as most brand vendors have already stopped developing related products, leaving Microsoft's second-generation Surface RT, the only Windows RT-based device in the next-generation tablet competition, according to sources from the upstream supply chain.

 

Microsoft is also having trouble gaining growth in the smartphone industry, the company currently only has less than 1% and 3% shares in tablet and smartphone markets, respectively, the sources said.

 

Although Microsoft has been pushing measures including adding Outlook e-mail and calendar applications to its Surface RT, dropping Surface RT's prices in Japan, and providing students special prices for its Surface RT, to promote the ARM-based operating system, the efforts are unlikely to be answered with demand, the sources noted.

 

As for the smartphone segment, players such as Acer, Asustek Computer and ZTE, have also recently started postponing development of Windows Phone 8-based products, making Microsoft face difficulties gaining momentum in the mobile device market, the sources added.

 

The sources pointed out that Microsoft is also facing competition from operating system such as Chrome and Tizen, in the PC industry, and Windows 8.1's success will be important for maintaining Microsoft's morale in the IT market.

 

Source: Digitimes

[Dot Matrix]

Wow. They can't compete with Surface so they gave up. Shameful.

[vcfan]

the beauty of windows rt is that it doesn't have to do anything at all to become huge, it can rely on windows 8 to do all the work. ARM is still cheaper than intel,so RT will still exist. 

[Praetor]

this article is funny: a few days ago a article claimed that all the indicators show that a second gen RT was coming soon; now the same indicators show that RT is a failure? this product has only a year of life, give it time to grown.

[technord]

as an RT tablet and Win8 Pro desktop owner I'm not surprised.

 

as much as I try to like RT tablets (or Pro tablets) the operating system just isn't properly designed.

 

Example....(it's just one of many btw)

 

iPad/Android.....  Perform a system update (2 minutes) DONE.  Factory reset device (1 minute).  Device is still up to date

 

Windows RT/Pro....  Perform Windows Updates (2 Hours & 4 Reboots).  Then do MS Store App Updates (9 times out of 10 they hang).  Reboot, try again.  Factory Reset (30 minutes).  Device now needs fully updating again.

[theyarecomingforyou]

this article is funny: a few days ago a article claimed that all the indicators show that a second gen RT was coming soon; now the same indicators show that RT is a failure? this product has only a year of life, give it time to grown.

The two are not mutually exclusive. The Surface RT has significantly underperformed in the market place but Microsoft wants Windows RT to be a success, so it will push ahead with a second gen model regardless. Third party manufacturers have all but abandoned the platform and consumer demand appears to be weak, so I think it's fair to class Windows RT as a failure.

[.Neo]

this article is funny: a few days ago a article claimed that all the indicators show that a second gen RT was coming soon; now the same indicators show that RT is a failure? this product has only a year of life, give it time to grown.

I've actually read today that beyond Microsoft no other companies are actively developing a second generation of Windows RT devices.

 

 

Wow. They can't compete with Surface so they gave up. Shameful.

Or consumers just aren't all that interested.

[BajiRav]

 

The sources pointed out that Microsoft is also facing competition from operating system such as Chrome and Tizen, in the PC industry

:D :laugh: :rofl:

[techbeck]

 

The sources pointed out that Microsoft is also facing competition from operating system such as Chrome and Tizen, in the PC industry, and Windows 8.1's success will be important for maintaining Microsoft's morale in the IT market.

 

Source: Digitimes

 

 

What the hell?  Tizen hasn't been released yet.  Chrome, maybe since it has been recently announced that Chromebooks will be available in three times as many locations soon than it is now.  But that depends on if they sell.

Or consumers just aren't all that interested.

 

 

And with Office for iPhone, and probably soon for iPad...will not help RT any.

[ahhell]

Wow. They can't compete with Surface so they gave up. Shameful.

Who's ass did you pull that gem from?

[nMIK-3]

Does ARM processors facing pressure from being isolated?? Short answer: NO they are awesome and they are everywhere.

So why the Windows (RT) version that is design to specifically support ARM, is facing pressure from being isolated?

[Dot Matrix]

Windows RT/Pro....  Perform Windows Updates (2 Hours & 4 Reboots).  Then do MS Store App Updates (9 times out of 10 they hang).  Reboot, try again.  Factory Reset (30 minutes).  Device now needs fully updating again.

 

Holy ######! 2 hours?! What the hell are you doing? I've restored Windows 8 in less than 30 minutes, that includes updates.

[Tegument]

Im soooo tired of retarded articles like this...as soon as I see this uninformed garbage I move on

[TPreston]

Holy ****! 2 hours?! What the hell are you doing? I've restored Windows 8 in less than 30 minutes, that includes updates.

That and you can use RT with managed update services so downloading takes seconds

 

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]

"WUServer"="https://wsus.me.com:8531/"

"WUStatusServer"="https://wsus.me.com:8531/"

[Dot Matrix]

Who's ass did you pull that gem from?

 

Not once did OEMs even try to release a competing RT tablet, they simply gave up instead of trying to do anything meaningful. 

[Wyn6]

as an RT tablet and Win8 Pro desktop owner I'm not surprised.

 

as much as I try to like RT tablets (or Pro tablets) the operating system just isn't properly designed.

 

Example....(it's just one of many btw)

 

iPad/Android.....  Perform a system update (2 minutes) DONE.  Factory reset device (1 minute).  Device is still up to date

 

Windows RT/Pro....  Perform Windows Updates (2 Hours & 4 Reboots).  Then do MS Store App Updates (9 times out of 10 they hang).  Reboot, try again.  Factory Reset (30 minutes).  Device now needs fully updating again.

You made need to check your devices. NONE of my devices has EVER taken anywhere near that long to update. And, none of the app updates have ever hung either. Think you may have been dealt a bad hand.

[Phouchg]

Im soooo tired of retarded articles like this...as soon as I see this uninformed garbage I move on

 

Do.

[ahhell]

Not once did OEMs even try to release a competing RT tablet, they simply gave up instead of trying to do anything meaningful. 

Oops.  Reread your previous comment.  Thought you had said that "Surface can't compete so MS gave up".

That just goes to show that you should never post on threads after eating a ton of pasta for lunch. :pinch:

 

You are right.  The 3rd parties didn't really try but then again why would anyone want anything from ACER or ZTE anyway.

[technord]

Holy ****! 2 hours?! What the hell are you doing? I've restored Windows 8 in less than 30 minutes, that includes updates.

 

well I don't know what tablet you have been using, but my personal dell xps 10 and works surface rt both have incredibly slow disk subsystems.  Restoring back to factory defaults in itself takes 30 minutes without then doing all the updates (I have fibre broadband so that's not the bottleneck).  Just goes to show it's NOT a proper tablet OS.  Why do I have to update after factory reset?  Ipad and Android don't.  It's because it's windows 8 (on arm) stuck in a tablet shell.

 

In the end I got that fed up with it, I ran diskpart to show the hidden recovery partition, copied the wim over to my PC, manually downloaded all the updates and injected them with DISM

[Brandon Live Veteran]

as an RT tablet and Win8 Pro desktop owner I'm not surprised.

 

as much as I try to like RT tablets (or Pro tablets) the operating system just isn't properly designed.

 

Example....(it's just one of many btw)

 

iPad/Android.....  Perform a system update (2 minutes) DONE.  Factory reset device (1 minute).  Device is still up to date

 

Windows RT/Pro....  Perform Windows Updates (2 Hours & 4 Reboots).  Then do MS Store App Updates (9 times out of 10 they hang).  Reboot, try again.  Factory Reset (30 minutes).  Device now needs fully updating again.

 

None of that has been my experience. My iPad experience has mostly been that updates cause it to go into recovery mode and I have to restore the whole thing from iTunes which takes more than 1 minute. I haven't had my iPad Mini long enough to know if it will fare better in that regard.

 

A factory reset on a Surface RT shouldn't take 30 minutes. And I've never had an app store update hang on Windows. I have, however, on the iPad Mini.

well I don't know what tablet you have been using, but my personal dell xps 10 and works surface rt both have incredibly slow disk subsystems.  Restoring back to factory defaults in itself takes 30 minutes without then doing all the updates (I have fibre broadband so that's not the bottleneck).  Just goes to show it's NOT a proper tablet OS.  Why do I have to update after factory reset?  Ipad and Android don't.  It's because it's windows 8 (on arm) stuck in a tablet shell.

 

In the end I got that fed up with it, I ran diskpart to show the hidden recovery partition, copied the wim over to my PC, manually downloaded all the updates and injected them with DISM

 

Umm, the iPad has similarly slow flash memory, and takes much longer than you make it sound to restore. Until recently you had to connect to a PC with iTunes to restore an iPad, how is that easier or faster? I think now they have the option to download the latest version from the cloud to restore it, though I haven't seen that in action myself. That would still take more than 1 minute I am very sure.

 

Or are you just talking about resetting to default settings, and not a full restore? That's obviously very fast on both systems and obviously doesn't require installing updates after.

 

Sounds like you're confusing different operations perhaps.

well I don't know what tablet you have been using, but my personal dell xps 10 and works surface rt both have incredibly slow disk subsystems.  Restoring back to factory defaults in itself takes 30 minutes without then doing all the updates (I have fibre broadband so that's not the bottleneck).  Just goes to show it's NOT a proper tablet OS.  Why do I have to update after factory reset?  Ipad and Android don't.  It's because it's windows 8 (on arm) stuck in a tablet shell.

 

In the end I got that fed up with it, I ran diskpart to show the hidden recovery partition, copied the wim over to my PC, manually downloaded all the updates and injected them with DISM

 

You say it's "not a proper tablet OS" but if you're using DISM and reimaging the thing regularly then you're not using it as a tablet. Nobody does that. Reimaging is for two cases:

1) I'm going to sell the thing and want to wipe everything of mine off of it.

2) Something went disastrously wrong and as a last resort I'll restore it and start again.

 

Neither of those should be happening in your regular usage of the device.

[spaceelf]

Not once did OEMs even try to release a competing RT tablet, they simply gave up instead of trying to do anything meaningful. 

I saw some decent ASUS ones.  I just don't think they're worth it...waiting for an 8 Temash/Kabini tablet since Atom is garbage.

[technord]

don't get me wrong, I own both a Nexus 7, iPad 3 and dell XPS 10 RT

 

I'm keeping the RT.  Yeah it has it's flaws....my god does it have flaws.  BUT it can do one thing the other two can't

 

You can use hulu via the website rather than having to pay for the Hulu Plus app :woot:   Guess that's because it's almost the full blown windows 8.

 

What a double edge sword

[notchinese]

as an RT tablet and Win8 Pro desktop owner I'm not surprised.

 

as much as I try to like RT tablets (or Pro tablets) the operating system just isn't properly designed.

 

Example....(it's just one of many btw)

 

iPad/Android.....  Perform a system update (2 minutes) DONE.  Factory reset device (1 minute).  Device is still up to date

 

Windows RT/Pro....  Perform Windows Updates (2 Hours & 4 Reboots).  Then do MS Store App Updates (9 times out of 10 they hang).  Reboot, try again.  Factory Reset (30 minutes).  Device now needs fully updating again.

 

 

What a ridiculous bold-faced lie.

[technord]

What a ridiculous bold-faced lie.

 

well considering the wim file NEVER changes during a factory reset I think you'll find I am correct!

 

You can try it yourself.  Perform a factory reset.  Then do all the windows updates (which takes 4 reboots).  Then do all the app updates.

Now factory reset again and see if you need to update again.  YES YOU WILL!

 

If anyone can tell me how to factory reset an RT tablet whilst keeping all the updates I'll be VERY happy.  Will save my Infrastructure team hours whilst onsite at clients.

 

Example...

 

When iOS 7 is released you will perform the upgrade which installs into ROM.  Say you then factory reset.  You still got iOS7 :-)

 

When MS releases Windows 8.1 you will get it either from the store or via windows updates.  Say you then factory reset.  Because the wim file hasn't changed you will be restoring 8.0.  Which means you then have to install 8.1 again.  This is the point I'm trying to get across with windows updates.  They are NOT dismed into the wim

 

That's one of the core differences between MS tablet OSes and ios / android devices.  Hence me saying win8 is a double edge sword.  It has both pros and cons.

[Dot Matrix]

well considering the wim file NEVER changes during a factory reset I think you'll find I am correct!

 

You can try it yourself.  Perform a factory reset.  Then do all the windows updates (which takes 4 reboots).  Then do all the app updates.

Now factory reset again and see if you need to update again.  YES YOU WILL!

 

If anyone can tell me how to factory reset an RT tablet whilst keeping all the updates I'll be VERY happy.  Will save my Infrastructure team hours whilst onsite at clients.

 

Why are you regularly performing factory resets? You shouldn't be.