win8 Windows RT facing pressure from being isolated

[Dot Matrix]

You did not move on but you read this article and cared to reply. By the way your fanboyism to support RT can not help its demise.

Demise? Wanna show me where that's happening? Microsoft plans full support for the next few years.

[+LogicalApex MVC]

I didn't follow any of this. So Linux baggage is good but Windows baggage is bad? And your example is weird. Windows supports drive mounting exactly as Linux does (okay, maybe with more options). In neither case does the "mount" architecture or its results have any effect on either system's ability to handle updates. So yeah, I have no idea what you were getting at there. Also, on Windows RT apps have absolutely no ability to put anything anywhere that Windows doesn't carefully manage. Again, nothing to do with "mount" - it's a feature of the sandboxed permission model.

 

Pulling the Phone OS up to tablets would've been suicide for Microsoft, and a hugely wasteful and wrongheaded approach. I honestly can't imagine anyone making even a slightly convincing argument for going that path, for innumerable reasons.

 

The platform isn't even a year old yet, and it's growing at a far faster pace than either iOS or Android did their first years. Way too early to be making any calls about its success or failure.

 

Tablets and laptops have way more in common than phones and tablets. The vastly different screen size being the most important differentiation. There's a reason Apple doesn't ship the same OS on iPhone and iPad (they may call it the same, but the different release schedules betray the truth). Tablet screen sizes facility things like physical keyboard use, multi-tasking, and of course result in very different requirements for UI design. All of which is also exactly the same for laptops and to a large extent for desktops (which only push those aspects further).

 

Never mind that it's bizarre to say Windows should've "grown the phone up" when the phone started out as a shrunken down Windows!

 

 

What? To say that the mount architecture of Linux plays no role here is a misstep I wouldn't expect you to make. Of course Windows supports a mounting system similar to Linux, but it has never been heavily used by Microsoft. Who made the right decision? Overall I am not sure, but in this small case here the Linux mount system is superior.

 

Why would my example be weird and not make any sense? It is the same reason Linux users advocate separating their user data onto a different partition than the one shared by the OS files (it allows independent recovery of the OS or a complete distro change without destructively impacting user data).

 

 

A home partition (at least 100 MB)

To store user data separately from system data, create a dedicated partition within a volume group for the /home directory. This will enable you to upgrade or reinstall Red Hat Enterprise Linux without erasing user data files.

Source: Red Hat

 

Additionally, no "pulling the phone up" wouldn't have been suicide for Microsoft. No one is really caring what technical road MS pursues for this. What users are requesting is that MS had made all Windows Phone apps compatible with Windows RT tablets and the Windows RT store and the Windows Phone store should have been unified like Apple has done with iOS devices. Allowing app developers to have a natural path between the two and allowing users to jump for joy as they could take the device out of the box and already have a lot of buy in (if they were an existing Windows Phone user).

 

To call that a suicidal decision is baffling to me.

[Dot Matrix]

LogicalApex, Windows Phone apps ARE compatible with WinRT. A few minor changes in code, an your app is good to go.

[farmeunit]

That and you can use RT with managed update services so downloading takes seconds

 

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]

"WUServer"="https://wsus.me.com:8531/"

"WUStatusServer"="https://wsus.me.com:8531/"

Since when can they do this?  I've read articles from Microsoft that says they cannot use WSUS. 

 

It takes for ever for me, also, when doing a FULL refresh and not the normal one.  I haven't actually timed it and the update process. 

[TPreston]

Since when can they do this?  I've read articles from Microsoft that says they cannot use WSUS. 

 

It takes for ever for me, also, when doing a FULL refresh and not the normal one.  I haven't actually timed it and the update process. 

I don't understand it either it seems to be due to miscommunication between the teams ? But windowsupdate.log doesn't lie and the network firewall shows it downloading the updates from the WSUS server

[Spyder Veteran]

C'mon Surface RT firesales! :)

[+LogicalApex MVC]

LogicalApex, Windows Phone apps ARE compatible with WinRT. A few minor changes in code, an your app is good to go.

Yes I am aware of this and this further illustrates my point. They should require no code changes and the stores should be unified. Just like iOS and Android...

[Dot Matrix]

Yes I am aware of this and this further illustrates my point. They should require no code changes and the stores should be unified. Just like iOS and Android...

Give it a bit, and I guarantee it will be.

[+LogicalApex MVC]

Give it a bit, and I guarantee it will be.

I'm sure it will. That is what is supposed to be occurring with Windows Phone Blue or some update soon.

 

I'm convinced that Microsoft had a hard start with Windows RT because of where they positioned it at launch. We shall see if this connection will come too late as most people (and manufacturers) will already have a negative connotation of Windows RT tablets.