Obama vetoes ITC ban on Apple products

[Boz]

 

President Barack Obama vetoed an International Trade Commission (ITC) ban on some models of the iPhone and iPad today.

The ban started in June and only affected older models like the iPhone 4 and the iPad 2 with cellular data connection. At the time, the ITC said those devices violated patents from Samsung.

Since iPhones and iPads are made overseas, the ITC was able to block them from being imported to the U.S. Obama's veto today means Apple will be able to ship those devices without worry.

 

It's good to see that Obama is completely bypassing illegal actions of Apple, the bans of ITC and simply saying F-U to every company that's not Apple out there.

 

Talk about free market and legal system. A great way to create inequality in the market. 

 

http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Obama-Vetoes-Ban-On-Some-iPad-And-iPhone-Models-4705218.php

 

What a signal to every non-American company that some American companies simply play by a completely different set of rules.

 

I wonder if he'll veto Samsung's infringements as well?  /s

[zhangm Supervisor]

I suppose you missed the post on the front page, stating that Michael Froman issued the veto? /s

[FloatingFatMan]

Clearly he did, but lets not allow reality to intrude in his "Obama is the most evil president evar!" illusion...

 

https://www.neowin.net/news/obama-administration-overrules-itc-import-ban-of-older-apple-ios-devices

[Azies]

It's good to see that Obama is completely bypassing illegal actions of Apple, the bans of ITC and simply saying F-U to every company that's not Apple out there.

 

Talk about free market and legal system. A great way to create inequality in the market. 

 

http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Obama-Vetoes-Ban-On-Some-iPad-And-iPhone-Models-4705218.php

 

What a signal to every non-American company that some American companies simply play by a completely different set of rules.

 

I wonder if he'll veto Samsung's infringements as well?  /s

 

Except Obama didn't veto anything, please read before you knee jerk.

 

http://allthingsd.com/20130803/obama-vetoes-apple-product-ban/

 

The veto came from Froman

[theyarecomingforyou]

I suppose you missed the post on the front page, stating that Michael Froman issued the veto? /s

Except Obama didn't veto anything, please read before you knee jerk.

 

http://allthingsd.com/20130803/obama-vetoes-apple-product-ban/

 

The veto came from Froman

Do you honestly believe that Obama wasn't complicit in the veto? The idea that members of his administration act without oversight lacks any credibility. As usual, whenever a legal ruling goes against American interests the US government?regardless of the political party in power?is all too happy to ignore international law / defy the international community and take unilateral action.

 

Obama was elected on the promise of change yet all he's delivered is more of the same. In terms of integrity he's even more of a failure than George W Bush.

[Azies]

Do you honestly believe that Obama wasn't complicit in the veto? The idea that members of his administration act without oversight lacks any credibility. As usual, whenever a legal ruling goes against American interests the US government?regardless of the political party in power?is all too happy to ignore international law / defy the international community and take unilateral action.

 

Obama was elected on the promise of change yet all he's delivered is more of the same. In terms of integrity he's even more of a failure than George W Bush.

 

 

Who knows, but I just don't like the disinformation you guys are spreading, and so I'll continue to correct it wherever I see fit.

[tiagosilva29]

It must be good to be from the USA, eh.

[theyarecomingforyou]

Who knows, but I just don't like the disinformation you guys are spreading, and so I'll continue to correct it wherever I see fit.

It's not disinformation, as Obama is responsible for his administration. You're quibbling over semantics here. Once again Obama has demonstrated that he is not interested in respecting international law and will defy it whenever it serves American interests, even when such behaviour is counter-productive in the long run. He's just as much of a corporate shill as those who came before him.

[fusi0n]

..  :s

[MandateOfHeaven]

Obama owns Apple stocks--This move shouldn't surprise.

[Growled Member]

So this basically gives Apple the freedom to do whatever in the heck they want to do and they won't have to worry about consequences.

[techbeck]

So this basically gives Apple the freedom to do whatever in the heck they want to do and they won't have to worry about consequences.

 

Seems like it.  And I see comments about Google having the government in their back pockets.....

[MorganX]

Do you honestly believe that Obama wasn't complicit in the veto? The idea that members of his administration act without oversight lacks any credibility.

I can't agree with that just on it's face. America is a big, powerful, complex country, economy, and government. It is simply not possible for the President to approve every decision, that's why he has a cabinet and administration.

It's quite possible he approved, but you can't assume that. Not for something like this. If it is homecooking, I'm sure the US isn't the first or last country to do something of this nature.

[techbeck]

I suppose you missed the post on the front page, stating that Michael Froman issued the veto? /s

 

Clearly he did, but lets not allow reality to intrude in his "Obama is the most evil president evar!" illusion...

 

https://www.neowin.net/news/obama-administration-overrules-itc-import-ban-of-older-apple-ios-devices

 

Most sites out there are saying Obama vetoed the ban and calling it a Presidential veto.  Not sure if Michael Froman can issue the veto himself, or if Obama needs to sign off on it.  Thought only the President has the authority to veto things like this

[MorganX]

Most sites out there are saying Obama vetoed the ban and calling it a Presidential veto.  Not sure if Michael Froman can issue the veto himself, or if Obama needs to sign off on it.  Thought only the President has the authority to veto things like this

Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution grants the President the authority to veto legislation passed by Congress.

[Tews]

 

 

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[techbeck]

Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution grants the President the authority to veto legislation passed by Congress.

 

Yes, i know that much.  But still curious if you search, most sites are saying Obama vetoed this.  Even the WSJ is saying as much.

 

If you read the letter here, seems like Obama had a hand in it.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2013/08/03/president-obama-vetoes-itc-ban-on-iphone-ipads-apple-happy-samsung-not/

[MorganX]

Yes, i know that much.  But still curious if you search, most sites are saying Obama vetoed this.  Even the WSJ is saying as much.

 

If you read the letter here, seems like Obama had a hand in it.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2013/08/03/president-obama-vetoes-itc-ban-on-iphone-ipads-apple-happy-samsung-not/

"President Obama and his administration today issued a ..."

"The administration, which had 60 days to review the ITC?s June 4 ?final determination,? announced its decision in a four-page letter by Ambassador Michael Froman"

It's not a big deal to me, but I doubt Obama made the decision. The staff in his administration responsible did, and he may or may not have approved "beforehand." I'm sure he knows about it now. I personally don't have a problem with it. I'm sure Obama would "like" to take credit for it, but there's no way he did the leg work on this one. He did what Presidents do. He heard the facts, the impact on the country, took advice, and approved the decision his administrators wanted to make. Either before or after they made it. This isn't a declaration of War or anything.

Florian Mueller of Foss Patents, who has been following Apple and Samsung?s case before the ITC, called today?s veto ?a victory for consumers and fair competition.?

?This is the first veto of an ITC ruling in decades, and I believe the ITC?s majority opinion was so out of step with basic antitrust rules (such as tying) and its effects would have been so very anticompetitive and anti-innovative that this veto was unfortunately necessary,? Mueller said, noting that supporters of Apple, including AT&T, Verizon and a bipartisan group of U.S. Senators, have been speaking up in recent weeks.?The issue here is not primarily what would have happened to those older iPhones and iPads ? I?m sure Apple could have handled the situation somehow. The problem is that this would have made the ITC the forum of choice for SEP abusers (strategic abusers who want to get away with infringement of non-SEPs as well as overly aggressive monetizers).?

[techbeck]

"President Obama and his administration today issued a ..."

"The administration, which had 60 days to review the ITC?s June 4 ?final determination,? announced its decision in a four-page letter by Ambassador Michael Froman"

It's not a big deal to me, but I doubt Obama made the decision. The staff in his administration responsible did, and he may or may not have approved "beforehand." I'm sure he knows about it now. I personally don't have a problem with it. I'm sure Obama would "like" to take credit for it, but there's no way he did the leg work on this one. He did what Presidents do. He heard the facts, the impact on the country, took advice, and approved the decision his administrators wanted to make.

Florian Mueller of Foss Patents, who has been following Apple and Samsung?s case before the ITC, called today?s veto ?a victory for consumers and fair competition.?

?This is the first veto of an ITC ruling in decades, and I believe the ITC?s majority opinion was so out of step with basic antitrust rules (such as tying) and its effects would have been so very anticompetitive and anti-innovative that this veto was unfortunately necessary,? Mueller said, noting that supporters of Apple, including AT&T, Verizon and a bipartisan group of U.S. Senators, have been speaking up in recent weeks.?The issue here is not primarily what would have happened to those older iPhones and iPads ? I?m sure Apple could have handled the situation somehow. The problem is that this would have made the ITC the forum of choice for SEP abusers (strategic abusers who want to get away with infringement of non-SEPs as well as overly aggressive monetizers).?

 

From the link I posted and from the letter within....

 

 

[MorganX]

From the link I posted and from the letter within....

I don't disagree with that. "...evaluation, may, disapprove, approve, taken no action and allow." In other words, Presidential business as usual. The President usually gets directly involved in issues such as this, when there is an "incident," lol.

That's why President's administrative choices are important and often contested.

[Growled Member]

I can't agree with that just on it's face. America is a big, powerful, complex country, economy, and government. It is simply not possible for the President to approve every decision, that's why he has a cabinet and administration.

It's quite possible he approved, but you can't assume that. Not for something like this. If it is homecooking, I'm sure the US isn't the first or last country to do something of this nature.

It's his Administration so whatever happens during his tenure is his responsibility.

[MorganX]

It's his Administration so whatever happens during his tenure is his responsibility.

That's why it's important to pick a good administration.

[techbeck]

That's why it's important to pick a good administration.

 

If only it was that easy.  You try to pick the lesser of two evils and you are always left with a jackass.

[FloatingFatMan]

It's his Administration so whatever happens during his tenure is his responsibility.

 

Ultimate responsibility, sure. Doesn't mean he actually DID it though. It was probably one of a million memo's that crosses his desk every day.

[Dashel]

Illegal actions?  Samsung a non-American company?  Don't make me laugh.

 

Good for Obama, or whoever's name was on the veto.  They were well within their rights to do so and I agree.  Why do so many of you just see 'international' and go nutters to the point you start screaming protectionism and defiance of the global community?

 

"The problem is that this would have made the ITC the forum of choice for SEP abusers (strategic abusers who want to get away with infringement of non-SEPs as well as overly aggressive monetizers).? 

 

Sweet jebus.