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[gameboy1977]

Apple?s Ultimate Sin: It?s Boring

[Atomic Wanderer Chicken]

Everything about Apple Inc is sinful, especially their overpriced, overhyped products and their questionable manufacturing processes.

[DeadEndAccount]

Wow, share traders (aka gamblers) whining that they can't make a quick buck; if they're not whining about Apple they'll whine about Microsoft (whose financials are are in a good position but their share price isn't reflecting that strength). End of the day the share price for Apple is unrealistic and the price will continue to drop especially once interest rates start to rise - to get some two bit share broker (aka gambler) on to give his five cents on the matter is hardly providing enlightening commentary.

[Astra.Xtreme]

*yawn*  Another article about how every product Apple releases is supposed to be innovative and revolutionary...

 

Why exactly do these people have such extreme expectations for them compared to anybody else?

[DeadEndAccount]

*yawn*  Another article about how every product Apple releases is supposed to be innovative and revolutionary...

 

Why exactly do these people have such extreme expectations for them compared to anybody else?

 

Because people confuse taking an existing idea and perfecting it as something akin to creating a whole new product; tablets aren't new but Apple perfected the idea (tablets are just jumbo PDA's to be perfectly blunt) just as MP3 players weren't new but Apple honed it on providing a one stop facility to sync, buy and manage music in an easy to use application. Where the innovation is happening is around services and cloud technology which is where Microsoft has strength particularly in the area of middleware and Apple to a lesser extent.

[jakem1]

*yawn*  Another article about how every product Apple releases is supposed to be innovative and revolutionary...

 

Why exactly do these people have such extreme expectations for them compared to anybody else?

 

Because Apple created the expectation and the hype to sell their products.  Apple are the ones that keep on telling us how innovative, revolutionary, magical they are so they've got nobody to blame but themselves if they can't live up to their own promise.

[ATLien_0]

If you look at Apple's history or more so Steve Jobs, they never really came up with "new products". What they were great at is refining ideas and existing products and making them their own. Almost everything over the past decade created by Apple had been made before them, but not very well or marketed really well. Apple just completed the package. Right now I feel that Apple is in a UI refinement stage of their own products. Take the iPhone, they have perfected their form factor for now and are refining the software and innovating on that front. Some years for them are about Hardware and some are about Software. I feel that once they complete this software phase, they will look at whats next. Maybe right now they are just sitting and waiting to see what other directions companies are taking 

[jakem1]

If you look at Apple's history or more so Steve Jobs, they never really came up with "new products". What they were great at is refining ideas and existing products and making them their own. Almost everything over the past decade created by Apple had been made before them, but not very well or marketed really well. Apple just completed the package. Right now I feel that Apple is in a UI refinement stage of their own products. Take the iPhone, they have perfected their form factor for now and are refining the software and innovating on that front. Some years for them are about Hardware and some are about Software. I feel that once they complete this software phase, they will look at whats next. Maybe right now they are just sitting and waiting to see what other directions companies are taking 

 

I think you're being a bit generous. 

 

For starters I wouldn't say that they've perfected the form factor of the iPhone at all.  The current shape looks odd because it was dictated by the competing demands of a larger screen (to compete in a market where larger screens are more popular) and the need to maintain compatibility with docks and accessories designed for a smaller phone.  The UI isn't being refined, it's being updated to eliminate the awful skeumorphism that served them well 6 years ago and catch up with the trend for a more authentic digital UI that Microsoft started with Windows Phone. 

 

The common thread in all of this is that Apple are playing catch-up but are still burdened by the myth they created of themselves as an innovative, revolutionary company that sets rather than follows trends.  They have boring, dated products and they're attempts at updates seem boring because they don't live up to the promise.

[bandit_liberty_rumble]

 

Schoenberger preaches patience. Innovations don't happen overnight. Historically not even Apple has come out with revolutionary products every other year ? it takes years. Apple's apparent lassitude is frustrating but hardly an indictment of a company that's printing cash even faster than it can buy back shares.

Exactly. Of course, personally I'm not even frustrated by it, but to each their own...

[Joshie]

If you look at Apple's history or more so Steve Jobs, they never really came up with "new products". What they were great at is refining ideas and existing products and making them their own. Almost everything over the past decade created by Apple had been made before them, but not very well or marketed really well. Apple just completed the package. Right now I feel that Apple is in a UI refinement stage of their own products. Take the iPhone, they have perfected their form factor for now and are refining the software and innovating on that front. Some years for them are about Hardware and some are about Software. I feel that once they complete this software phase, they will look at whats next. Maybe right now they are just sitting and waiting to see what other directions companies are taking 

 

Apple was also good at timing, prioritizing, and business relationships. It wasn't always about doing something new or superior, but about getting the right thing out to the right groups at the right time.

 

Technologically, they've never been ahead of the curve, that I can think of. The presentation was everything, and once upon a time, the voice was something like "Hey all you people that don't have this thing, I'm going to tell you why you need this thing." Later, that voice became "Here's something you want, brought to you by Apple, created by Apple, because Apple Apple Apple Apple..."

 

They put themselves on a pedestal and this is the result.

[shockz]

Everything about Apple Inc is sinful, especially their overpriced, overhyped products and their questionable manufacturing processes.

Another pointless fanboy reply, from someone who's most likely never used an Apple product for an extended period of time and is brainwashed by trolls.

 

I dread the day I ever have to have a phone that's not an iPhone. The s3 I use for work is a nightmare compared to it... sure you've got Google freedom, but the laggy performance, poor battery life, and to be honest down right horrendous Samsung UI that's completely inconsistent  through out the OS would stop me from ever believing the hype they put out on their commercials.

[Astra.Xtreme]

Because Apple created the expectation and the hype to sell their products.  Apple are the ones that keep on telling us how innovative, revolutionary, magical they are so they've got nobody to blame but themselves if they can't live up to their own promise.

If you actually watch those presentations, they very seldom say those things.  Yes, they market with excitement, but it's not them that created these artificial expectations.

[seta-san]

they have a point. without Steve Jobs that company will lose market absolutely. No more reality distortion. Apple's got more money than god but they could end up burning through it very quickly. It probably won't be more than 15 years before they are back where they were in the mid 90s trading for $5-$6/share. Jobs was the heart of the company.. when he died the company is now slowing dying with him.

[neufuse Veteran]

I miss the 80's and 90's in tech.....

 

almost everything was some great advance.....

 

now its just the same stuff over and over again...... but it's more like LOOK WHAT WE DID! It's the same stuff just we gave you a tiny big more space or pixels or something not so huge for the same price!

 

back then it was OMG new storage method! OMG New RAM designs! OMG MATH CO-PROCESSORS?!!? WE CAN DO FLOATING POINTS NOW!!!!! etc etc...

 

now it's OMG Facebook has a new bar on my phone that no other phone has!....... OMG a new row of icons that could of fit there the entire time!

[vcfan]

Apples ultimate sin: They're apple.

 

They cant license their stuff,or else they arent apple anymore. And with the amount of manufacturers out there, apple can never win againt them all combined. Happened in pcs, then phone,and tablets. They can have the most cheerleader journalists,or media types all they want, but they'll always end up owning only 5% of a market.

[ATLien_0]

I think you're being a bit generous. 

 

For starters I wouldn't say that they've perfected the form factor of the iPhone at all.  The current shape looks odd because it was dictated by the competing demands of a larger screen (to compete in a market where larger screens are more popular) and the need to maintain compatibility with docks and accessories designed for a smaller phone.  The UI isn't being refined, it's being updated to eliminate the awful skeumorphism that served them well 6 years ago and catch up with the trend for a more authentic digital UI that Microsoft started with Windows Phone. 

 

The common thread in all of this is that Apple are playing catch-up but are still burdened by the myth they created of themselves as an innovative, revolutionary company that sets rather than follows trends.  They have boring, dated products and they're attempts at updates seem boring because they don't live up to the promise.

 

I'm not saying the iPhone is perfect, what I mean is that they have refined their form factor for the current iPhone to its completion. Basically the form factor is taking a back seat while they refine or catch up the Software. Very rarely has Apple over hauled the software and hardware at the same time. What most fail to understand is that Apple doesn't innovate in the traditional sense. They very rarely bring an idea or product to market that hasn't already been done. They innovate by refining what already existing and make a really good presentation of it.

Also another thing to add if you look at the industry as a whole right now, there really isn't anything majorly new in the mobile market, something that Apple can capitalize on, everyone seems to focusing on UI/Software at the moment. Tablets were the last big push, but nothing huge since then. 

[Jub]

I miss the 80's and 90's in tech.....

 

almost everything was some great advance.....

 

Thankfully this still happens in web, which is my line of work.

 

Also, investors expect more of Apple than other companies because Apple's so absurdly overvalued.

[+Fahim S. MVC]

Apple are the ones that keep on telling us how innovative, revolutionary, magical they are.

With the greatest respect they aren't telling us this. They are telling Joe Average this and to Joe Average it is all true. Other brands produce designs which are unattractive (and would continue to do so if Apple weren't beating them at that), specification driven and not simple enough for Joe Average.

Apple understands that Joe Average wants an emotional connection to his gadgets and Applegives him just that. He isn't interested in specs, how often the OS is updated or how customisable it is as that isn't his definition of innovative or magical - it's ours.

[bandit_liberty_rumble]

Apples ultimate sin: They're apple.

Absolutely. Certainly around here.  :laugh:

[Growled Member]

I think Apple has a certain arrogance about it, and I think that is what turns off a lot of people. They make some good products, but many of their followers seem a bit cultist, and that turns off many too. I have only owned one Apple product, a second generation iPod. It was a good product but I felt it was way over priced for what I got, so I have never bought another Apple product.

[guru]

*yawn*  Another article about how every product Apple releases is supposed to be innovative and revolutionary...

 

Why exactly do these people have such extreme expectations for them compared to anybody else?

 

because they bought personal computing, Smartphone and Tablet to the mainstream consumer, not to mention they changed the way how people consume music, media and information.

 

Their products were aspirational.. people payed a premium to buy their products. imo, the expectation is well deserved.

?Even google has such expectations now. Glass for example may well be the net iPhone.

[Astra.Xtreme]

because they bought personal computing, Smartphone and Tablet to the mainstream consumer, not to mention they changed the way how people consume music, media and information.

 

Their products were aspirational.. people payed a premium to buy their products. imo, the expectation is well deserved.

?Even google has such expectations now. Glass for example may well be the net iPhone.

I disagree about Glass.  It's expensive, awkward, and doesn't fill any need that people want.  The battery life sucks and it's straight up creepy.

Personally I think it will be an extremely niche product which will disappear very quickly.

 

The only neat application I've seen of it was a ref in a soccer (football) match wore it to give a live perspective from the pitch.  It was a creative idea, but he had to wear a considerable amount of stuff on his body for it to function properly.

[123456789A]

*yawn*  Another article about how every product Apple releases is supposed to be innovative and revolutionary...

 

Why exactly do these people have such extreme expectations for them compared to anybody else?

 

I think they believe Apple has alien technology or something that nobody else has, so that's why they have such high expectations.

[Salutary7]

Well I would expect magic from a tech company like this too :P They have over $100 billion sitting around just in cash.

[PGHammer]

*yawn*  Another article about how every product Apple releases is supposed to be innovative and revolutionary...

 

Why exactly do these people have such extreme expectations for them compared to anybody else?

Apple's share price is where it is because it generates a crapton of CASH (because of app stores and iTunes) - it has all the attraction of a utiity (which has historically been favored for the same reason - why do you think the original AT&T was called "the best friend to widows and orphans"?).  However, Apple is a services company that also manufactures the gateway hardware and software TO those services (Macs and iDevices).  Long term investors could care less about buzz around Apple hardware as long as it sells at all (and generates all that cash via the App Stores and iTunes) - short-term investors see literally NO benefits from such a strategy (especially since the majority of Apple's cash hoard is stranded outside the United States - for tax reasons.  Google is in the same position - it's also a services company that happens to also be in the hardware business; however, unlike Apple, it does allow others to manufacture gateway hardware to access those services.  (Make no mistake; Android is, above ALL else, an operating system designed to deliver Google advertising - that it also does other things is secondary to providing those eyeballs for ads.)  Before the advent of the iDevices, Apple had a REPUTATION for being innovative and revolutionary - which nearly drove the company out of business when those products didn't sell.  (Lisa?  Newton?)  The Apple faithful continue to hold the company to that rep - despite it nearly killing the company twice before (once, it had to be rescued by "arch nemesis" Microsoft - according to Apple).