PS4 does not support games on external HD

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The PS4 has a 2.5 laptop hard drive inside and how do you get away from breaking the warranty if you have to open the box and replace the hard drive.

Although it's not a hard thing to do, how many people outside of the hard core of the hard core gamers are going to know how to do this?

Well, if it's as easy as it is with the PS3...

 

 

No voiding of warranty. Starts 3 minutes in and he takes literally about 4 minutes to do the installation while talking and all.

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4 minutes total verses 2 seconds is still a savings in time and he never mentioned how to copy over games and media to that other one.  That is a big deal.

 

With having it external, it not only takes a shorter time to get up and running, but you can combine the contents of HDD Internal with the contents of HDD external and have both, which is much better.

On the PS4 you can't do external.

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Remember the rules,

- XB1 must support every feature that PS4 will have.

- PS4 doesn't need to support every feature that XB1 will have.

 

Keep those in mind and these threads will be easier to discuss.

 

 

Considering this whole internal/external HDD issue has been discussed on here already, and you participated in that thread, it seem your only motivation for making this thread was to incite bickering. Well done on that front, by the way.

 

4 minutes total verses 2 seconds is still a savings in time and he never mentioned how to copy over games and media to that other one.  That is a big deal.

 

With having it external, it not only takes a shorter time to get up and running, but you can combine the contents of HDD Internal with the contents of HDD external and have both, which is much better.

On the PS4 you can't do external.

 

There is a backup function on the PS3 but I rarely trust built-in backup utilities on anything.

 

 

 

It's also worth noting Xbox One has mandatory game installs so allowing people to use external drives for games actually might make more sense in that context.

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External hard drives on 360 don't allow you to install games or save on them. 360 also didn't come standard with a HDD. That's why it was easy to replace. But you had to buy a Microsoft branded HDD inside a shell for 2-3 times the cost of the drive on Amazon or Newegg. You could use some third party tools to hack the drive to work in the 360 and some third party sellers did this and sold the drives for a small markup, but none of this is official. 

 

XB1 is internal and not user-replaceable. At least not without voiding your warranty. How easy it is to do it anyways is yet to be seen.

 

PS3 and PS4 both have internal HDDs but are easily user accessible behind a flap.  PS3 and PS4 OS fully support the user throwing in any SATA 2.5" HDD and will format it and configure it for you. 

 

What? I can install my games on the external drive on my Xbox 360 since last year. Really.

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We're not in the 90's, HDD's don't fail in consumer devices these days.

 

Why would you want to swap the internal HDD for extra space when you could just use an external HDD for cheaper which'll give you more space?

My 3 year old laptop had a hdd failure.  HP had to send me a new one.  So yes.. HDD do fail in consumer devices.

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lol @ the just announced Xbone not supporting externals on launch          

 

LOL @ How someone is going to fill it up at launch.  Even if you downloaded every game you won't be able to fill it up at launch. 

Also here is something for your brain to stew on, the games that are downloaded are compressed when you download them and they stay compressed on the HDD.

 

I feel sorry that I actually replied to this.  I feel filthy now and I feel like I lost some brain cells.

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They probably want to minimize the avenues available to software pirates.  If this feature was enabled, somebody would figure out how to hook the external up to a PC and copy those game installs for others to use, or they would download copies from the pirate bay or something, drop them on the hard drive and then play them on their PS3.

 

Both options are good... But I am excited about external installs... If there is anything that happens to the hardware, I send in the Xbox One, not lose a bit of data (trying finding the motivation to grind again after hardware failure), get X1 back and it's like I never lost anything..

I'm not banking on hardware failure... But it's good to know that I don't have to start games over in case something does happen...

 

I thought the XBox 360 and the XBox One, like the PS3, had a cloud save feature?  I've gone to my brother's house, popped one of my games into his PS3, sync'd up my PSN account and picked up right where I left off, then came back home, logged in, and done the same thing, because of the cloud saving.

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Considering this whole internal/external HDD issue has been discussed on here already, and you participated in that thread, it seem your only motivation for making this thread was to incite bickering. Well done on that front, by the way.

There is a backup function on the PS3 but I rarely trust built-in backup utilities on anything.

It's also worth noting Xbox One has mandatory game installs so allowing people to use external drives for games actually might make more sense in that context.

cry me a river. I just posted new information which is unrelated to that thread.

Don't shoot the messenger, isn't that the stance people like to take in the Xbox forums?

I am pretty neutral to this feature or swappable internal drive, still not sure how i caused anything.

p.s. Xbox One is not the only next gen console with mandatory installs.

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Yogurtmaster

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No it's not, you're just trying to make a big fuss over nothing.

 

yeah, spending hours redownloading games you already have is nothing.  Reinstalling disks again wasting time is nothing.  yeah ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhkay.

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They probably want to minimize the avenues available to software pirates. If this feature was enabled, somebody would figure out how to hook the external up to a PC and copy those game installs for others to use, or they would download copies from the pirate bay or something, drop them on the hard drive and then play them on their PS3.

I thought the XBox 360 and the XBox One, like the PS3, had a cloud save feature? I've gone to my brother's house, popped one of my games into his PS3, sync'd up my PSN account and picked up right where I left off, then came back home, logged in, and done the same thing, because of the cloud saving.

I will be a digital downloader for Next Gen. If there is hardware failure, I won't have to re-download any of my games, just hook the external back up and I'm back to gaming.

Download while playing is a great backup plan as well... :-)

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yeah, spending hours redownloading games you already have is nothing.  Reinstalling disks again wasting time is nothing.  yeah ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhkay.

You seem to be under the impression that this is going to happen on a frequent basis. It's not. Get over yourself.

 

I say that as a PC gamer who's had a terabyte hard drive for the longest time to work with, storing plenty of media coupled with games, applications, and so forth over the years.

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You seem to be under the impression that this is going to happen on a frequent basis. It's not. Get over yourself.

 

I am not saying that at all.  I am saying that it's not a pro-consumer feature.  That is something that you should be able to agree with.

 

Most of the people that purchase the PS4 and a lot of games over time are going have to know how to deal with this and having the time to download all of the games again and installing the games from disk again.

Again, not very pro-consumer and not very well thought out.

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My 3 year old laptop had a hdd failure.  HP had to send me a new one.  So yes.. HDD do fail in consumer devices.

To summarise, I never said HDD's don't fail because that would be silly. Also there's a large difference between a hard-drive failing in a PC rather than a consumer device like an Xbox.

 

What I said was that MS shouldn't be worried that there's going to be a large failure rate to an internal HDD that can't be swapped. 

 

On a side note, I can't believe this thread is still going.

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To be honest with you, i think both systems do what they're supposed to pretty well.

 

Personally i prefer the Xbox One method because that's just how i prefer to do things but i'm not saying the PS4 is a bad method, just not so much my cup-of-tea.

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I am not saying that at all.  I am saying that it's not a pro-consumer feature.  That is something that you should be able to agree with.

 

Most of the people that purchase the PS4 and a lot of games over time are going have to know how to deal with this and having the time to download all of the games again and installing the games from disk again.

Again, not very pro-consumer and not very well thought out.

 

Knowing Sony it's actually surprising and very "pro-consumer" (again from Sony's standard stance) that you can just easily swap the drive with any off-the-shelf HD rather than having to buy a specific proprietary and (for no good reason) expensive Sony drive.

 

As stated several times in this thread you don't have to re-download nor reinstall any of your games when swapping drives, though.

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Knowing Sony

 

Don't ever say that as that makes you look like the ultimate fanboy, no offense. Sony have done enough wrong in the past, just like their competitors.

 

And yes, you can swap a harddrive fairly easily on the PS3 with another drive, but if you want your data from the previous other harddrive, you'll have to open it up to swap it out again and that's a hassle many don't want as they have their consoles stuck in position in a piece of television furniture (like me). Thus returning to the inconvenience of first having to back everything up on an external drive and recopying it back on the newer/larger installed drive to avoid that. With the Xbox One that is unnecessary as you just simply plug in an external drive, XFAT format it and then it's usable for all Xbox related stuff.

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To summarise, I never said HDD's don't fail because that would be silly. Also there's a large difference between a hard-drive failing in a PC rather than a consumer device like an Xbox.

 

What I said was that MS shouldn't be worried that there's going to be a large failure rate to an internal HDD that can't be swapped. 

 

On a side note, I can't believe this thread is still going.

 

That is ridiculous.  Is there some advanced HDD tech in these consoles that are not available to computers?  When I had to replace my PS3 drive....YES it died so I decided to put a SSD in there....it had a standard Seagate drive in it.

 

Mechanical HDDs are Mechanical HDDs.  These consoles do not have some super awesome never failing HDDs tech because any form of HDDs can fail.  Any form of electronics can fail.  Just because you have HDDs from the year 2000 does not mean HDDs cannot fail.  I had one fail one month after purchasing, and I have one that is 10 years old.

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That is ridiculous.  Is there some advanced HDD tech in these consoles that are not available to computers?  When I had to replace my PS3 drive....YES it died so I decided to put a SSD in there....it had a standard Seagate drive in it.

 

Mechanical HDDs are Mechanical HDDs.  These consoles do not have some super awesome never failing HDDs tech because any form of HDDs can fail.  Any form of electronics can fail.  Just because you have HDDs from the year 2000 does not mean HDDs cannot fail.  I had one fail one month after purchasing, and I have one that is 10 years old.

A PC always works from its HDD, a console does not.

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ichi

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Don't ever say that as that makes you look like the ultimate fanboy, no offense.

Fanboy of who exactly?  :huh: 

 

Sony have done enough wrong in the past, just like their competitors.

 

And that's exactly what I meant: knowing Sony (eg. their obnoxious proprietary memory sticks and UMD for the PSP) it's actually surprising and pro-consumer that they didn't play a similar stunt with the PS hard drive.

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A PC always works from its HDD, a console does not.

 

It does not matter.  Any....ANY usage on the disk could make it fail.  There are hard drives that die one month after purchase, and there are hard drives that have lasted decades.  Even if they are used in PCs.  It does not matter.  A console is no different, no matter how little the disk IO is.

 

And what if you have all of your games downloaded on the drive?  Then it will operate like a PC because it is loading the game data from the disk.

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