NYC Bar Raises Drinking Age to 25, Because Young People Are Annoying

[Hum]

A Columbia Waterfront District restaurant is upping its weekend drinking age to combat the presence of all those annoying, drunken young?uns.

DNAinfo reports that Phil?s Crummy Corner, located at 323 Columbia Street, Brooklyn, will only serve alcohol to patrons 25 and older on weekend nights. The decision comes after hordes of complaints from nearby residents about rowdy, loud late-night crowds?often present at the ?family restaurant? until 4am on Fridays and Saturdays.

Now, 21-24-year-olds will have to look elsewhere for their vodka-Redbulls. Phil?s manager, Isabel Santiago, explained the restaurant?s surprisingly cooperative decision to DNAinfo: ?Their quality of life is our concern,? she said, presumably referring to the masses of binge-drinking youths known to frequent her establishment. Phil?s is apparently working to create a ?quiet family place,? and has recently hired a bouncer. Community Board 6 and the NYPD have also discussed increasing police presence around Phil?s on weekend nights.

The complaints were so intense that the restaurant became the subject of a meeting on Monday between the Community Board and the 76th Precinct, where locals showed up to air their grievances.

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[Growled Member]

I don't find the young drunks any more annoying than the old drunks. All drunks are annoying.

[DocM]

But in general young, stronger, mean drunks can do a lot more damage....and travel in packs.

[TAZMINATOR]

Bar should stop serving them more drinks if they find them drunk...  and ask for cab/friend ride home. Then pick the car up in next day.

[ozgeek]

Need to enforce that alcohol serves no purpose other than make lives like hell. Best to try to encourage drinking different kinds of drink rather than alcohol.

 

I don't drink much alcohol and I'm 32.

 

In fact I went to a BBQ recently and only had one can of Coke Zero. That's it. Guess what? I get the same kind of fun as those induced by alcohol. It's a social thing. Alcohol fuels that up to a extreme level.

[soniqstylz]

Can't argue with it too much, but it might be bad business.  21 - 24 year olds are more likely to have no kids and disposable income.  Bars and most restaurants make their money from liquor sales.

 

I don't know too many places open until 4am that don't already have a bouncer, aside from maybe an all-night McDonald's or greasy spoon.  Dunno how many of those have a "family" atmosphere.

 

edit:  Guess it basically is a greasy spoon with a full bar (and sometimes DJ).

[Shiranui]

As far as alcohol is concerned, I can take it or leave it.

It just doesn't appeal to me.

[compl3x]

Need to enforce that alcohol serves no purpose other than make lives like hell. Best to try to encourage drinking different kinds of drink rather than alcohol.

 

I don't drink much alcohol and I'm 32.

 

In fact I went to a BBQ recently and only had one can of Coke Zero. That's it. Guess what? I get the same kind of fun as those induced by alcohol. It's a social thing. Alcohol fuels that up to a extreme level.

 

 

You sound like fun.

[thomastmc]

While I agree with the policy, it's against the law to do this because it's discrimination based on age. The bar will still have to allow those who are under 25 in and to be served.

 

It couldn't hurt to raise the drinking age nationally to 25, driving age to 18, adulthood to 21, etc.. Most 21 year olds are just glorified teenagers to begin with. Maybe even worse, because they actually think they're "all grown up" by then, and the law agrees by lifting their last age restricted right until Social Security kicks in.

 

Best to try to encourage drinking different kinds of drink rather than alcohol.

 

That would be like trying to encourage procreation without sex :)

[Nick H. Supervisor]

Need to enforce that alcohol serves no purpose other than make lives like hell.

I think you're doing it wrong, then. :laugh:

Seriously though, after work I like to relax with a friend and a beer. It winds me down after dealing with people during the day. But I do agree that alcohol in excess will generally present a short respite followed by an even worse time than if you hadn't drank anything to begin with.

 

While I agree with the policy, it's against the law to do this because it's discrimination based on age.

I'm not sure, but if it's a private establishment then isn't it allowed? I know of some places in the UK and over here in Switzerland where they did exactly this, they would only let people in over a certain age.

Overall, there are other bars for the younger people to go to. Heck, I'm not old but when I'm sat in the pub with friends and the students come in for the student night...the lot of us can become grumbling old men. :laugh: Let the bar raise the bar level if it so chooses.

[thomastmc]

I'm not sure, but if it's a private establishment then isn't it allowed? I know of some places in the UK and over here in Switzerland where they did exactly this, they would only let people in over a certain age.

Overall, there are other bars for the younger people to go to. Heck, I'm not old but when I'm sat in the pub with friends and the students come in for the student night...the lot of us can become grumbling old men. :laugh: Let the bar raise the bar level if it so chooses.

 

Another bar in Brooklyn tried this last month. It's pretty hard to find a city in the US without this law. 25 and up, almost everywhere, is just a request to patrons to follow the rule, but it can't be enforced by the establishment lawfully in most cases.

 

Under Title 8 of the city administrative code, it?s unlawful for any public establishments ? bars included ? to discriminate against anyone based on age, race, gender, religion, disability or orientation.

Violators risk being reported to the city Human Rights Commission, which can assess fines and seek cash settlements on behalf of aggrieved parties.

Told of the law, Marcano backtracked ? despite the sandwich board outside the bar reading ?25 and Up? in small letters under the list of happy-hour specials.

?Anybody can come in the restaurant anytime they want,? he insisted. ?If the bartenders check their ID and want to serve them, they can. We don?t bar people. We just mention [25 and up] just to keep it on the safe side,? he said.

He added, ?We don?t tell people they can?t come in. We just try to avoid it.?

Legal or not, Marcano?s patrons and neighbors applaud his higher age limit.

http://nypost.com/2013/11/22/brooklyn-bars-rule-must-be-25-to-drink/

[Hum]

I don't find the young drunks any more annoying than the old drunks. All drunks are annoying.

Easier to get lucky with young drunks. :shifty:

[TMYW]

While I agree with the policy, it's against the law to do this because it's discrimination based on age. The bar will still have to allow those who are under 25 in and to be served.

 

 

I'm not sure if it's still the case now, but when I was going to school in NYC, I wasn't able to rent a car because I was younger than 25.

[Growled Member]

It couldn't hurt to raise the drinking age nationally to 25, driving age to 18, adulthood to 21, etc.. Most 21 year olds are just glorified teenagers to begin with. Maybe even worse, because they actually think they're "all grown up" by then, and the law agrees by lifting their last age restricted right until Social Security kicks in.

 

I think you are right. Most young adults these days are nothing but kids.

[thomastmc]

I'm not sure if it's still the case now, but when I was going to school in NYC, I wasn't able to rent a car because I was younger than 25.

 

That's a good point. I know that is a common practice. I'm not sure how that works within the discrimination law. It could be that it's because it doesn't fall under the category of an establishment, but rather a service.

[timster]

I'm not sure if it's still the case now, but when I was going to school in NYC, I wasn't able to rent a car because I was younger than 25.

 

It's the same here in Canada, it's an insurance thing. Drivers under 25 are statistically more likely to be involved in an accident.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+do+you+have+to+be+25+to+rent+a+car

[thomastmc]

I think you are right. Most young adults these days are nothing but kids.

 

I think it's always been that way. In 1900, 23 was literally mid-life for most people, and the human brain isn't even fully mature until the mid-twenties. People used to be expected to assume much more responsibility earlier in life, but many were ill prepared to handle it maturely. The perception of what age means has been extremely slow to catch up with the reality of the last century's rapidly increasing average life span.

[Sandor]

You sound like fun.

He does actually. He's clearly capable of having fun without first having to get rid of his social awkwardness with alcohol.

[Sandor]

It's the same here in Canada, it's an insurance thing. Drivers under 25 are statistically more likely to be involved in an accident.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+do+you+have+to+be+25+to+rent+a+car

Pretty sure you don't have to be 25 to rent a car in Canada. At least not in Ontario.

 

You certainly don't need to be that age to rent a truck. UHaul will rent you one if you're 18.

[fusi0n]

That's actually really awesome.. I hate being around young kids.. Drunk or Not.. Most of them just act stupid.. I tend to go to bars that are more expensive to get away from the youngins.. I also don't like being around kids in family restaurants.. Back when smoking was allowed, they would ask, "smoking or non".. I would just be like, No Kids.. lol I like to eat in quiet environments and chill.. Noisy families when trying to eat is just annoying to me for some reason.. I always try to go as late as possible and somewhere nice to avoid getting annoyed.. 

[Tha Bloo Monkee]

I've heard of 21+ bars here in Ontario (drinking age is 19) in an attempt to weed out the younger "annoying" crowd.  They aren't common but they exist.