Rich kid gets probation after.....

[mudslag]

Punishment IS revenge, especially when done in the organized form of the "justice" system.

 

Revenge: the action of inflicting hurt or harm on someone for an injury or wrong suffered at their hands.

 

Punishment: the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense.

 

 

 

It's revenge if the punishment is carried out by those that were affected. No, being sent to prison is not revenge. 

[mudslag]

I think you and many other people completely underestimate and fail to understand what 10 years of probation means and how it will effect him.

 

 

Until he has done his 10 yrs or how ever long they keep him in it, no one knows how it will effect him, not even you. He could stay out of trouble and be perfectly fine. Sure he might have to change his name, move to some place that people dont recognize him but that all pales in comparison to the effect on those families of lost and hurt ones have to go through. At least he isn't paralyzed like the one he left. 

[riahc3]

Hello,

The world shocks me more and more everyday.

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

Punishment IS revenge, especially when done in the organized form of the "justice" system.

 

Bruce Wayne: ?My parents deserved justice.?

Rachel Dawes: ?You?re not talking about justice. You?re talking about revenge.?

Bruce Wayne: ?Sometimes they?re the same.?

Rachel Dawes: ?No, they?re never the same. Justice is about harmony. Revenge is about you making yourself feel better, which is why we have an impartial system.?

[Vykranth]

That's great as I have no problem with being proven one way or another.

 

The criteria is quite specific: it's a DUI accident which resulted in a multiple manslaughter. The convict is 16 y.o. who can't be from a wealthy family and who ended up in jail.

 

Will that fit? http://aceduischool.com/georgia-teen-gets-fifteen-years-for-fatal-dui-crash/

 

A teenager who was driving a vehicle under the influence last February when it crashed and killed a Villa Rica girl has entered a guilty plea and will serve at least seven years in jail.

 

Jason Lark, standing before Judge Robert James in a Douglas County courtroom Friday, acknowledged the charges and said he was guilty. Then with tears streaming down his face and openly sobbing, he apologized to everyone and took full responsibility for what he had done.

 

On Feb. 19, Lark, 17 at the time of the incident, was driving a vehicle filled with a group of people who had been to two area parties where underage drinking was present. The Chevy Blazer overturned, ejecting and killing Cheyenne Sauls, a 16-year-old student at Villa Rica High School. Lark was also charged with driving under the influence following the crash.

 

?I am so sorry,? Lark said, red-faced and weeping as he looked to Sauls? parents, Eric and Debbie. ?I wish it hadn?t happened. It?s all my fault. I am so sorry. It should have been me.?

He looked at the other victims, Tayler Coss and Jamie McManus who were seating in the gallery, and apologized to them too.

He was sentenced to 15 years on the three most serious charges, all to run concurrently. Under the deal, he must serve a minimum of seven years. He was also granted first-offender status, which means that if he serves his sentence successfully, he will have the felonies off his record. But should he do anything wrong again, he could be forced to serve an additional 31 years in jail.

 

Regarding the initial case, as far as I see it, there is a clear case of missing education and responsibilisation of the teen.

Now, whether it is possible to rehabiliate him and make him a responsible adult, I am going to say that I have high doubts for that, given his previous behavior.

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

Will that fit? http://aceduischool.com/georgia-teen-gets-fifteen-years-for-fatal-dui-crash/

 

Thank you for finding this.

 

It's close. 16 vs 17 is the biggest difference and there's no mention of alcohol blood level in your story. I assume it's much higher than .24 in the original post.

[mudslag]

Thank you for finding this.

 

It's close. 16 vs 17 is the biggest difference and there's no mention of alcohol blood level in your story. I assume it's much higher than .24 in the original post.

 

 

1. Why would the alcohol level matter in this case? drunk driving is drunk driving

2. .24 is still 3 times the legal limit for that area, and why would you assume it would be higher then the OP?

3. Id say the biggest difference here is this kid killed one person, while Ethan Couch killed 4 and injured more, including paralyzing 2 of them. 

[+Raze Subscriber²]

Thank you for finding this.

 

It's close. 16 vs 17 is the biggest difference and there's no mention of alcohol blood level in your story. I assume it's much higher than .24 in the original post.

 

 

The BAC in Georgia is -

 

Georgia?s driving under the influence (DUI) laws make it illegal for drivers of all ages to operate motor vehicles if they have blood alcohol content (BAC) percentages of:

• 0.08% or higher, if they?re 21 years old or older operating regular passenger vehicles.
• 0.04% or higher, if they?re operating commercial vehicles.
• 0.02% or higher, if they?re younger than 21 years old.

[Vykranth]

Thank you for finding this.

 

It's close. 16 vs 17 is the biggest difference and there's no mention of alcohol blood level in your story. I assume it's much higher than .24 in the original post.

 

I had troubles getting a result but I finally found something there: http://www.atlantamagazine.com/features/2013/7/31/driving-death/page/2

 

When police gave him a Breathalyzer test minutes after the crash, Jason?s blood-alcohol content was shown to be .105, twenty-five milligrams above the adult legal limit. Six months later, he would plead guilty to vehicular homicide and stand crying in court, sentenced to seven years in prison. - See more at: http://www.atlantamagazine.com/features/2013/7/31/driving-death/page/2#sthash.M7zD50PQ.dpuf

 

Not sure how that translate into blood alcohol percentage but the fact stands that he was over the adult limit, so even more for a teen.

 

After that, 16 or 17 y/o, I do not think that makes a significant difference in the end. To me, driving a car requires a certain level of maturity and responsibility, a certain level of adulthood.

Frankly, in both cases, neither of the two teens have shown any form of adult conduct whatsoever.

And ultimately, this is why there are drivers licenses: to have the certification that one has shown the required level of adult behavior to be authorized to drive a vehicule.

 

Now, the question remains: what to do when such tragedies happen and what lessons can be learned from them? Who must face the consequences? the drivers? the parents? Who is responsible?

 

On one hand, I agree with Hawkman that rehabilitation and correction would be the way to go, but, on the other hand, given the gravity of the facts and the previous, I cannot help but fear that there is not much to hope for rehabilitation.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

My brother's background, wealthy upper-class white English family was certainly taken into consideration when he was sentenced.  The sentence given was meted to the level it would have any impact on him, which differs from background to background.

 

He may have been given what might be considered a light sentence by some standards, but it was a measured response that showed an awareness of what would have the best impact upon him and any potential rehabilitation.  This is within sentencing regulations and recommendations.

 

Now, with that in mind, it was a "victimless crime" - there was no other party other than my brother, so justice considers him and him alone.

 

When there is another party, a victim, I do argue that the victims right to justice also needs to be met.

[The Evil Overlord]

I think you and many other people completely underestimate and fail to understand what 10 years of probation means and how it will effect him.

Yes, you could be very well right, I most likely am missing something, but 10 years probation, assuming it only means he has to keep a clean nose for 10 years, and report to a police station one a week or something...

If this is what he gets, well he could easily do that with the family's money, just sit on his ass and play computer games for 10 years, something the 'welfare raised' do in their stride, and he doesn't even need welfare money.

[HawkMan]

It's not as fun as it sounds he also need to do the rehab program and some other stuff though.

[Tonicgoofy]

So you think just cause he's technically still a kid that he should be allowed to get away with killing 4 people?

 

 

Yes I do. Its not like he was a killer with deranged mind. I don't think we should ruin the life of someone because he did it to others. This shouldn't be an eye for eye.

 

Teach the kid a lesson and move on. Now if he do it again, that would be a different senario 

[adrynalyne]

Yes I do. Its not like he was a killer with deranged mind. I don't think we should ruin the life of someone because he did it to others. This shouldn't be an eye for eye.

 

Teach the kid a lesson and move on. Now if he do it again, that would be a different senario 

The only lesson he was taught is that killing four people and paralyzing two others while driving drunk can cause minor inconveniences for the next 10 years.

 

Whatever happened to the punishment fitting the crime?

 

If it was a loved one of yours, and he killed them, you would't be so nonchalant about this.

[mudslag]

It's not as fun as it sounds he also need to do the rehab program and some other stuff though.

 

 

 

I dont think anyone said it sounds fun, but Im pretty sure anyone of those victims would gladly go through probation and rehab then suffer the consequences of death or paralyzation. 

[compl3x]

Apparently the same judge gave another kid a 10 year prison sentence for killing 1 person.

 

Make sure you're wealthy (or make sure mummy and daddy are) if you want to commit crime.

 

 

Anderson Cooper interviews the psychologist who testified:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf88PURRsk0

[Top Qat]

Affluenza? What a load of ********. Are they saying rich people don't know right from wrong?

I call bull****. Just another lawyer trick to help him avoid responsibility for his actions. 

[KingCracker]

The justice system really needs to be looked at. I mean some people have gotten the death penalty for less. Having money should not be considered in court cases. It should be about the law, did he or didn't he follow the law end of story. 

[Growled Member]

The justice system really needs to be looked at. I mean some people have gotten the death penalty for less. Having money should not be considered in court cases. It should be about the law, did he or didn't he follow the law end of story. 

 

That's true, and I agree, but he'll have to live with this for the rest of his life. That may be the worst punishment of all. 

[DocM]

I doubt it. He'll probably party on as usual. May he have a 60 mph close encounter of the tree kind, alone of course.

[compl3x]

That's true, and I agree, but he'll have to live with this for the rest of his life. That may be the worst punishment of all. 

 

Possibly. But if he is as indifferent and unable to understand the consequences of his actions like his defence argued then he probably couldn't care less.

 

I doubt it. He'll probably party on as usual. May he have a 60 mph close encounter of the tree kind, alone of course.

 

Prefer a telephone pole or a street light. Trees are home to birds and other cute creatures which might be harmed or made homeless.  :(

[Growled Member]

I doubt it. He'll probably party on as usual. May he have a 60 mph close encounter of the tree kind, alone of course.

 

He may hide it but inside it will eat him alive. He may drink and party to cover it and I wouldn't be surprised if he died in an "accident" one day like you described. I've seen this happen first hand to a boy.

[trag3dy]

Apparently the same judge gave another kid a 10 year prison sentence for killing 1 person.

 

Make sure you're wealthy (or make sure mummy and daddy are) if you want to commit crime.

 

 

Anderson Cooper interviews the psychologist who testified:

 

 

 

Pretty disgusting. The psychologist was having to reach pretty far for answers to the questions it seemed like to me.

 

I think this is a longer version of that clip..

 

http://youtu.be/tkKg1Kpghi8

 

 

Yes I do. Its not like he was a killer with deranged mind. I don't think we should ruin the life of someone because he did it to others. This shouldn't be an eye for eye.

 

Teach the kid a lesson and move on. Now if he do it again, that would be a different senario 

 

Watch that video. The kid has a history of arrests according to the article, at the tender young age of 16. It's definitely not his first time or even his second.

 

http://youtu.be/W5pprsCD6UE