CraigMack Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 It's gana happen and maybe the BoSox will get in the freaking World Series next year. A-rod for Manny and the Red Sox pay the Rangers a good ammt of Manny's contract. Garciaparra wants out to Cali so we'd get a good player in return...thats it, peace, love and LETS GO RED SOX Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
quigley0 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Did boston try that silly mathmatical formula for getting players last year? Like, you plug all stats into a computer and it tells you what players fit your organization? I am not sure if losing Manny and Nomar is a good thing or not. I am an Oriole fan, but i have to root for boston because someone has to beat the yanks! Go boston! haha Schilling was a great add..... To bad Baltimore let him go years ago :( Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1445402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker12688 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 yeah im a yankee fan. and thats exactly what the red sox are trying to do. beat the yankees and overcome the "curse." they are basically going to try and buy a world series like we have seen done in the past recently by the marlins. and wouldnt the trade consist of the red sox having to pay the rest of a-rod's ridiculously large contract? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1445414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 It'll never happen. That is just WAY too much money to throw away. The Rangers would get a free player. BoSox pay for both contracts? Heck, A-Rod's contract is big enough as it is. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1445436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramitman_87 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 can boston say "stacked" ?? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1445443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMac Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I'd keep Nomar. A Rod is overpaid and not worth the lose of manny and nomar plus money. Bosox can do it without A Rod. Schilling was the answer. They're set. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1445497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnaBonger Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 1918 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1446048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 well nomar wants to go to cali, and the angels might pick him up, manny is a complete and total jerkoff, id love to see arod go to the sox, he needs a winning team, and he wont get that with the rangers, the rangers have grewat talent but just blow, its like hwen arod was on the mariners so much talent, no chemistry Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1446062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehanson Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 yeah im a yankee fan. and thats exactly what the red sox are trying to do. beat the yankees and overcome the "curse." they are basically going to try and buy a world series like we have seen done in the past recently by the marlins. and wouldnt the trade consist of the red sox having to pay the rest of a-rod's ridiculously large contract? Isn't that what the Yankees try and do every year? Last year they has a payroll of about $180m compared to around $105 for the Red Sox. The Red Sox mgmt have consistently said they will not go over the luxury tax threshold. Regarding A-Rod for Manny.... The deal will save the Rangers about $80m over the life of the contracts (giving them a lot of flexibilty for the future). The Red Sox will try to get rid of an uphappy Manny and pick up the best player in the league who is only 28 yrs old. Also, several players are up for new contracts next year (Martinez, Lowe, Varitek, Garciaparra, Nixon). They cannot pay all of them so they have to get creative now. By doing swapping these players, the Sox have both a slugger and a superstar shortstop. That makes superstar Garciaparra expendable and they hope to get some value in return. -- ehanson Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1446084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianicoleman Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Regarding A-Rod for Manny.... The deal will save the Rangers about $80m over the life of the contracts (giving them a lot of flexibilty for the future). The Red Sox will try to get rid of an uphappy Manny and pick up the best player in the league who is only 28 yrs old. Also, several players are up for new contracts next year (Martinez, Lowe, Varitek, Garciaparra, Nixon). They cannot pay all of them so they have to get creative now. By doing swapping these players, the Sox have both a slugger and a superstar shortstop. That makes superstar Garciaparra expendable and they hope to get some value in return. agreed. perfect plan, but if the redsox do it or not is the question. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1447097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubalastic Fantaculist Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 well the red sox have a week to trade for a-rod. the angels are now pursuing nomar. this is going to get interesting. also, the mets signed Kazuo Matsui and what a fine looking young gentleman he is. :woot: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1448319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianicoleman Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 also, the mets signed Kazuo Matsui and what a fine looking young gentleman he is. :woot: lmfao.. i bet hes going to be a dissapointment Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1448350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubalastic Fantaculist Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 no he wont, as long as they ALWAYS make him wear a hat and not pose for any billboards or magazines? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1448361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatnipOligarchy Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 also, the mets signed Kazuo Matsui and what a fine looking young gentleman he is. :woot: http://a799.g.akamai.net/3/799/388/8cc582f...ews/2086793.jpg :laugh: :laugh: omg thats great. hes gonna be a flop though. someone should have told him the mets suck Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1448368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubalastic Fantaculist Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 they did, but his translator wasnt there so he jus nodded and signed. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1448371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Manny could go for all I care, he's turned into the Sox's latest Mo Vaughan, especially in this last post season. People just wait for him to come up and hit homers, or strike out. It works, sometimes, but it's not pretty. Losing Nomar would be kind of sad though, he's such a home crowd star now. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1448372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxikk Veteran Posted December 8, 2003 Veteran Share Posted December 8, 2003 lots of stuff going on this offseason. pudge not staying with florida either? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1448600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatnipOligarchy Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 nope, pudge is gone, they couldnt reach an agreement by yesterdays deadline Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1448659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehanson Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Manny could go for all I care, he's turned into the Sox's latest Mo Vaughan, especially in this last post season. People just wait for him to come up and hit homers, or strike out. It works, sometimes, but it's not pretty. Losing Nomar would be kind of sad though, he's such a home crowd star now. SEASON G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG 2001 142 529 93 162 33 2 41 125 322 81 147 0 1 .405 .609 .306 2002 120 436 84 152 31 0 33 107 282 73 85 0 0 .450 .647 .349 2003 154 569 117 185 36 1 37 104 334 97 94 3 1 .427 .587 .325 Not so sure all he does is hit a homer or strike out. Those are mighty impressive all-around offensive numbers. The postseason numbers for the entire Red Sox roster was a but dissapointing. Remember, Manny did have that huge home run in game 5 against Oakland. What about trying to resign Nomar for around 12m/yr and move him either to third or left field? -- ehanson Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1448703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 SEASON G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG 2001 142 529 93 162 33 2 41 125 322 81 147 0 1 .405 .609 .306 2002 120 436 84 152 31 0 33 107 282 73 85 0 0 .450 .647 .349 2003 154 569 117 185 36 1 37 104 334 97 94 3 1 .427 .587 .325 Not so sure all he does is hit a homer or strike out. Those are mighty impressive all-around offensive numbers. The postseason numbers for the entire Red Sox roster was a but dissapointing. Remember, Manny did have that huge home run in game 5 against Oakland. What about trying to resign Nomar for around 12m/yr and move him either to third or left field? -- ehanson I know he's a good hitter, but that's not what any expects of him. Every time he comes up people are looking for a home run. This was especially tur in the post season when the bottom half of the line-up was making most of the runs, and the best hitters were struggling. Granted he made some huge hits, but I'd rather have a player whose consistent in the post season than trying to be a hero. And I agree about Nomar, there are plently of possitions he can play and he's huge for the team. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1448784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigMack Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 Why wouldnt the Red Sox have to pay A-rod's contract? the point is to f'n sign him to their team. And by the way, the deal would be A-Rod restructuring a good ammt of his deal so it would help keep the BoSox competitive. The Sox would pay some of Ramirez' contract because with the Rangers making bonehead moves like signing Chan Ho 'Anyone in the lineup can crank it outta the' Park for 12 million, and Juan 'After that last beer I'm so' Gonzalez for 13.5 million. And for that Yanks fan, who thinks hes onto our plan..your right. Why wouldnt the management of the Red Sox try to win the world series? I'm sure Steinbrenner isn't in the business to make friends....Nomar wants a huge deal making Jeter-like 15-16 million, hes gotta go. Prob Glaus from Angels. Any one have any more questions of specfics hit me up. Peace Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1450439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selraich Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 btw im a Yankees fan Saying that, i think this is a really iffy move for the Red Sox, while they pick up one of the best all around players in the game ( or maybe THE best right now depending who you ask) they'll lose Nomar and Manny. The Manny issue is interesting, hes really f'ing good hitting wise but he also has a huge contract and committed blasphemy against Red Sox nation by saying he wanted to be a Yankee during that whole 'I'm too sick to play *cough* *sneeze* *cough*' fit he had. Does everyone seriously think A-Rod + SomeOtherPlayerHere would be a better fit then Nomar and Manny? Their offense was absolutely nasty last year as is, and would probably be better served by going for one more pitcher then paying 30Million+/yr for ARod. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1450770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 There's too many situations that have to happen just for the trade to work out. 1) The Sox have to trade Nomar, their current shortstop (obviously). The Angels and Dodgers are both rumored to be interested, but it's not known if the Sox will have to pay any portion of his contract. 2) The Sox also must pay the Rangers 5 million annually for each year that they have Ramirez. This would be used by the Rangers to go after pitching. 3) A-Rod must waive his no-trade clause, which he has said he will do, but you never know what could happen. 4) A-Rod and Showalter recently started talking again on good terms. 5) Hart, the Rangers GM, said that the Red Sox haven't really made any substancial offer and that the Rangers will most likely start the season with A-Rod as SS. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1450788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehanson Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 There's too many situations that have to happen just for the trade to work out.1) The Sox have to trade Nomar, their current shortstop (obviously). The Angels and Dodgers are both rumored to be interested, but it's not known if the Sox will have to pay any portion of his contract. Theo and mgmt have said they will not pay the contract of anyone else not playing in Boston. Plus, Nomar is making $11.5m this year. Those two teams will trade straight up for Nomar. 2) The Sox also must pay the Rangers 5 million annually for each year that they have Ramirez. This would be used by the Rangers to go after pitching. That is rumored to be the Ranger's demand. I don't think the Sox will pay anything to the Rangers. 3) A-Rod must waive his no-trade clause, which he has said he will do, but you never know what could happen.True... but I really, really doubt he would turn down playing in Boston (his wife is from New England and has said she would like to return to the area) or New York. There is nothing like playing in New York or Boston. 4) A-Rod and Showalter recently started talking again on good terms. I did hear about their sour relationship. But do Texas players really like playing for this guy? From what I have read he is quite a control freak. 5) Hart, the Rangers GM, said that the Red Sox haven't really made any substancial offer and that the Rangers will most likely start the season with A-Rod as SS. Manny for A-Rod is a pretty decent offer to me. Saving > $80m over the life of the contracts sounds appetizing if I were Hart/Hicks. Plus, this is getting pretty serious. MLB and Texas has approved John Henry, the owner of the Red Sox, to meet with Rodriguez. That is pretty significant. All of these comments are just my opinion of course. -- ehanson Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1452676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Just responding in the order you went :) 1) They could. But the fans would be in a riot over Garci. leaving town, plus that the Angels and Dodgers really don't want to add too much payroll, but are willing to add a small amount. 2) They will not trade, then, it's as simple as that. Dream all you want, but Texas has already said the only way at all they'll trade is if they get money. 3) Yeah, I don't think that'll be a problem. 4) Texas is split between A-Rod and Showalter. Most of them liked working for Showalter, but A-Rod tried to start a few revolts, from what I've heard. 5) True, but they want money... Lots of it. Unfortunately, that may mean no trade. If the Sox pay money, they'll get the trade. If they don't, I highly doubt they will... Right now I'd say it's 50-50. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/121602-a-rod-for-ramirez/#findComment-1453767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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