Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

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I don't think that makes much sense.

 

How so? If it brings in lots of people to see it then the money it makes indicates that as well, ticket sales say a lot about what the public thinks about a movie.  If you go and see something, and you like it, you tell others to check it out, and so on, till you get that snowball effect going and the movie makes money.

 

To an extent hype plays a roll in this as well but only for that first weekend, if the majority of people who saw it those first 3-4 days don't like it then you get a huge drop off in the next week and so on, it's all a clear indication of how popular/liked a movie is.  It's not hard to understand.

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How so? If it brings in lots of people to see it then the money it makes indicates that as well, ticket sales say a lot about what the public thinks about a movie.  If you go and see something, and you like it, you tell others to check it out, and so on, till you get that snowball effect going and the movie makes money.

 

To an extent hype plays a roll in this as well but only for that first weekend, if the majority of people who saw it those first 3-4 days don't like it then you get a huge drop off in the next week and so on, it's all a clear indication of how popular/liked a movie is.  It's not hard to understand.

 

Or maybe they're abusing a demographic that's fairly easily amused and not known for critical thinking: kids, which majority of these movies are directly aimed at. Just look at Transformers, almost universally critically panned, yet they break all sorts of records all of the time because kids like to watch stuff explode and don't care about stuff like plot.

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How so? If it brings in lots of people to see it then the money it makes indicates that as well, ticket sales say a lot about what the public thinks about a movie.  If you go and see something, and you like it, you tell others to check it out, and so on, till you get that snowball effect going and the movie makes money.

 

To an extent hype plays a roll in this as well but only for that first weekend, if the majority of people who saw it those first 3-4 days don't like it then you get a huge drop off in the next week and so on, it's all a clear indication of how popular/liked a movie is.  It's not hard to understand.

 

bah! sorry, I quoted the wrong bit from you. nvm, I think Syanide already made the point.

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Or maybe they're abusing a demographic that's fairly easily amused and not known for critical thinking: kids, which majority of these movies are directly aimed at. Just look at Transformers, almost universally critically panned, yet they break all sorts of records all of the time because kids like to watch stuff explode and don't care about stuff like plot.

 

I get that, but "dumb" kids can't push a film to some of these records, like Avengers or Avatar and so on.  All these comic book movies target the younger generation, it's their nature to do so, just like romantic comedies target women.    If the argument here is that they lack some deep and compelling plot in them, then that's basically every comic book movie to date, I don't think anyone, regardless of age, goes to watch these expecting much out of the story, they all follow the same pattern.

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I get that, but "dumb" kids can't push a film to some of these records, like Avengers or Avatar and so on.  All these comic book movies target the younger generation, it's their nature to do so, just like romantic comedies target women.    If the argument here is that they lack some deep and compelling plot in them, then that's basically every comic book movie to date, I don't think anyone, regardless of age, goes to watch these expecting much out of the story, they all follow the same pattern.

 

Can you arrive at your point already?

 

First you respond to pretty reasonable claim that good trailers don't guarantee good movies by pointing to their box office success, then you argue the claim that box office success doesn't guarantee good movies by what, saying no one expects much of these movies anyway? So are they good or not?

 

Anyway, to get back on topic, I like how they're incorporating the destruction caused by Superman into the plot of this one. And I'm now leaning to the more optimistic side when it comes to "The Dark Knight Returns" influences. I still wish they forgot all the shared cinematic universe crap and just did a live action TDKR. Zack Snyder showed he works best when he's adapting the source material faithfully (300, Watchmen). Just give him a script that sticks to the comic book, and tie his hands when it comes to the use of CGI, and we'd get fun comic book movie adaptations.

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Can you arrive at your point already?

 

First you respond to pretty reasonable claim that good trailers don't guarantee good movies by pointing to their box office success, then you argue the claim that box office success doesn't guarantee good movies by what, saying no one expects much of these movies anyway? So are they good or not?

 

Anyway, to get back on topic, I like how they're incorporating the destruction caused by Superman into the plot of this one. And I'm now leaning to the more optimistic side when it comes to "The Dark Knight Returns" influences. I still wish they forgot all the shared cinematic universe crap and just did a live action TDKR. Zack Snyder showed he works best when he's adapting the source material faithfully (300, Watchmen). Just give him a script that sticks to the comic book, and tie his hands when it comes to the use of CGI, and we'd get fun comic book movie adaptations.

 

I made my point already, you brought up a new argument with your other post about targeting kids who don't care about plots to movies.  I clearly stated that kids alone can't bring in the big records some of these movies have, it takes more than that.    Last I checked, that was a new argument started by you,  first one about trailers and this new one about targeting kids who don't care about plot lines.

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I made my point already, you brought up a new argument with your other post about targeting kids who don't care about plots to movies.  I clearly stated that kids alone can't bring in the big records some of these movies have, it takes more than that.    Last I checked, that was a new argument started by you,  first one about trailers and this new one about targeting kids who don't care about plot lines.

 

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These screenshots look really dark for me... is that just me?

 

It's a dark setting but they are a bit too dark, could just be the screenshot.  I think the video shows it a little brighter.

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Very dark, no fun ... gave nothing (for me) to be excited about.  It didn't "geek" me out...nor did it want me to watch the movie any more or any less.  It was just meh...very disappointing for a "teaser" trailer.

 

Maybe the Star Wars teaser spoiled me

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Very dark, no fun ... gave nothing (for me) to be excited about. It didn't "geek" me out...nor did it want me to watch the movie any more or any less. It was just meh...very disappointing for a "teaser" trailer.

Maybe the Star Wars teaser spoiled me

Meanwhile, those who have followed them both have been waiting for this storyline in a film for decades. Their alliance had a very rocky beginning, and has had numerous rough patches since.
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Meanwhile, those who have followed them both have been waiting for this storyline in a film for decades. Their alliance had a very rocky beginning, and has had numerous rough patches since.

Don't get me wrong...I have to. Still doesn't take away, for me anyway, that the teaser was really uninspiring.

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