Fubalastic Fantaculist Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 My vote goes to Eli Manning. IMO, he is the best quarterback in the nation. He will go VERY high in the NFL draft. He led Ole Miss to an excellent season and also led the SEC in yards passing per game, completions, TD passes and average total offense. Although he didnt make it to the SEC Championship game, I feel he should win the award. :yes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonobozoot Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I think it is unfair if you did not include the MAC conference in this. Ben roethlisberger deserves to be nominated for the top 5. He was not sacked for the whole season and also passed 4000 yards as a quarterback and two consecutive 3000 yards for passing. But still, I vote for Larry Fitzgerald Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1460618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 No way. Chris Perry all the way. You saw what he did against the #2 rushing D in the country? Posted 150+ yards on them. Manning....what bowl are they in? Cotton. Yeah. Quality. They won't give it to a Sophomore, and Jason white....Eh...Not too impressed with him, either. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1460619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deceased_which_appreciates Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Im gonna have to vote for Ole Miss's Eli Manning. I think he is an outstanding quarterback and hold the Rebels together. He plays well in any circumstances and led a Ole Miss Rebel team, who is generally middle of the row SEC to a outstanding season. Chris Perry would be my runner-up. He is a good running back who fins his holes and has great vision. However, I don't think he has an impact on his team as much as Eli Manning does. And about that OSU game, Perry ran great, but OSU played like crap. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1460645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 And about that OSU game, Perry ran great, but OSU played like crap. And um....if they could tackle Chris Perry, You would say they played well? :blink: A great player makes a great defense play like crap. OSU was schooled by a much better team. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1460674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatnipOligarchy Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Eli Manning. i also believe he will go #1 in the NFL draft. lots of falcons fans are hoping we get the number 1 pick, but we dont need it, weve got a QB, we can trade it away and let Eli go somewhere where hes needed Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1460698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted December 11, 2003 Veteran Share Posted December 11, 2003 (edited) perry all the way. chris white is way overrated. fitzgerald is probably the most talented, but they won't give it to a soph. eli is good, but as qb, you are a leader for your team, and 3 losses won't cut it. also, what was eli's defining game? he never really had that "highlight" game. /edit and whats up with Soldja winning the best TE award? 1 TD. Talk about a bunch of crap... and rose bowl tix are $140 EACH. thank god they'll be xmas presents, otherwise i don't know how i'd afford it.... Edited December 11, 2003 by BroChaos Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1461330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 perry all the way. chris white is way overrated. fitzgerald is probably the most talented, but they won't give it to a soph. eli is good, but as qb, you are a leader for your team, and 3 losses won't cut it. also, what was eli's defining game? he never really had that "highlight" game. /edit and whats up with Soldja winning the best TE award? 1 TD. Talk about a bunch of crap... and rose bowl tix are $140 EACH. thank god they'll be xmas presents, otherwise i don't know how i'd afford it.... Winslow from Miami, FL won the best TE award. As far as heisman, Chris White hands down. He played the toughest competition this year, and still put up better numbers than most quarterbacks. Fitzgerald won't get it because he's a sophomore. Manning? A close second to White, but he didn't put up the numbers that White did. Perry? He had 3 or 4 bad games. He would do well against some teams, but do bad against others. Very inconsistent. I think it is unfair if you did not include the MAC conference in this. Ben roethlisberger deserves to be nominated for the top 5. He was not sacked for the whole season and also passed 4000 yards as a quarterback and two consecutive 3000 yards for passing *cough* When you say he wasn't sacked all season, you really mean he was sacked 17 times right? BTW, I read Kaeding isn't a finalist for kicker of the year. How is this possible? And who are the finalists anyway. I can't find any info at espn.com Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1461552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labtec Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 My vote would go to Larry Fitzgerald, but I think Jason White will win. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+StevoFC MVC Posted December 12, 2003 MVC Share Posted December 12, 2003 My vote would go to Larry Fitzgerald, but I think Jason White will win. exactly what i was going to say Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drov Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 My vote went to Larry F. but I think that the most deserving person is Texas Tech's B.J. Symnon's. His numbers absolutely dominate Eli and Jason's and he did it without the great supporting casts that Manning and White have. Eli is overrated just like his brother was at UT and this is coming from someone who attends UT. Like I said earlier, the only thing that makes him look good is his incredible supporting cast. Without those guys, Eli would have not put up the numbers he did. Also, he shouldn't get it because he can't win crucial games. If you can't beat LSU at least once out of the 2 times you play them, you shouldn't be in the Heisman running IMO. Jason White is good but he's only done good things in one year. He's been hurt the past couple of years and hasn't done a thing up until this year. For that fact I think he shouldn't win it. Just my .02 cents. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drov Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Delete this one please. Double posted. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeonic Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 My votes: 1) Larry Fitzgerald - No question, best player in CFB. 2) Matt Leinart - Got screwed over by BCS (and should be in the Natl. Champ), numbers were just as good as... 3) Jason White - As much as I bleed Burnt Orange, White had some great numbers. 4) Chris Perry - Buckeye killer, 'nuf said Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeonic Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 My vote went to Larry F. but I think that the most deserving person is Texas Tech's B.J. Symnon's. His numbers absolutely dominate Eli and Jason's and he did it without the great supporting casts that Manning and White have. Eli is overrated just like his brother was at UT and this is coming from someone who attends UT. Like I said earlier, the only thing that makes him look good is his incredible supporting cast. Without those guys, Eli would have not put up the numbers he did. Also, he shouldn't get it because he can't win crucial games. If you can't beat LSU at least once out of the 2 times you play them, you shouldn't be in the Heisman running IMO. Jason White is good but he's only done good things in one year. He's been hurt the past couple of years and hasn't done a thing up until this year. For that fact I think he shouldn't win it. Just my .02 cents. Yea, but he threw 21 int's and was a very up and down player. I wouldnt vote for him. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Jason White is good but he's only done good things in one year. He's been hurt the past couple of years and hasn't done a thing up until this year. For that fact I think he shouldn't win it. Just my .02 cents. I'm sure we could come up with quite a list of guys who didn't do much before the year he won the heisman. And of course, previous years stats have no bearing on the Heisman, or any award for that matter. I don't think many of you realize how good of a season Jason White had. Many consider it the one of the best seasons in history. 40 touchdowns, at least 2 td per game save one, the highest passer rating this year, only 8 interceptions (which is insane). It's in the bag Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitjel Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Eli Manning is a great QB, no doubt. He finally got around to beating my Auburn Tigers this year. However, he won't win it because Ole Miss didn't even win the SEC West, much less the SEC. Leinart won win it because the Heisman voters won't give it to an underclassman (see Florida QB Rex Grossman). Although Fitzgerald without a doubt is THE best player in college football right now, he won't win it for the same reason as Leinart. And on a sidenote, USC didn't get screwed out of anything. When the PAC 10 and Big "11" get championship games, then you can cry about something. I think the trophy will either go to Perry or White, more likely to White. I think LSU will beat OU in the Sugar Bowl however, but since White is player of the year and all, I think he's got it. And if my boy, Carnell Williams, stays for his senior year, he'll make a strong run for the trophy next year, bank on it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeonic Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 And on a sidenote, USC didn't get screwed out of anything. When the PAC 10 and Big "11" get championship games, then you can cry about something. Yea, the Pac-10 blows. But I still believe that USC should have gotten a birth in the Sugar Bowl and Matt Leinart should have a legit. chance at the Heisman. USC is by far the best team on the West Coast, and nobody ever watches them because of the regional restrictions.. And just because there is not a championship game for the Pac-10 doesnt mean USC is a bad team that doesnt deserve a chance. That has nothing to do with the point. The point is, Leinart is a legit. Heisman canidate and USC should have a birth in the Natl. Champ...They are number one in all the publications and the computers screwed them over its that simle. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicoCahill Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Jason White will win but Fitzgerald deserves it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drov Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 And of course, previous years stats have no bearing on the Heisman, or any award for that matter. Listen to most analyst these days, they all turn to previous stats from former years. I don't like that but it's the way things are. With this happening, voters tend to hear previous year stats and that will have an effect. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Listen to most analyst these days, they all turn to previous stats from former years. I don't like that but it's the way things are. With this happening, voters tend to hear previous year stats and that will have an effect. Ah, no they don't, and that's not the way things are. Previous years stats only have a bearing on pre-season hype. By the end of the year, if they are still in the running, they deserved to be there in the beginning. But previous years stats have nothing to do with this years awards. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drov Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Ah, no they don't, and that's not the way things are. Previous years stats only have a bearing on pre-season hype. By the end of the year, if they are still in the running, they deserved to be there in the beginning. But previous years stats have nothing to do with this years awards. I am not saying they do but I am saying that top college football analyst have pointed out previous years stats. Lee Corso has even pointed this out as well on television. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniPi Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I think it is unfair if you did not include the MAC conference in this. Ben roethlisberger deserves to be nominated for the top 5. He was not sacked for the whole season and also passed 4000 yards as a quarterback and two consecutive 3000 yards for passing.But still, I vote for Larry Fitzgerald I don't think they give out Heismans to an offensive line. :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1462946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxikk Veteran Posted December 12, 2003 Veteran Share Posted December 12, 2003 even tho i HATE michigan... i gotta give my vote to chris perry. he is a monster. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1464107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainashi Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 i gotta give my vote to chris perry. he is a monster. agreed. if he doesn't win it, i'll cry. :cry: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1464184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted December 12, 2003 Veteran Share Posted December 12, 2003 the only time previous season stats matter is when someone breaks an all-time career record, like ricky williams or ron dayne. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/122685-heisman-trophy/#findComment-1465217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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