Windows 8 hater finally upgrading (me)


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I love aero glass, gorgeous gradients, shadows, and organization. Windows 7 was everything I wanted from Vista and I became a big fan and evangelist.

I Spewed Comments and friended order66 and others to bash Windows 8.1 and 10 for being too flat with pastel nursery colors.

I am learning flat design for a website I plan to work on and also need a lite OS to handle GS3 viritual routers and setup domains in vmware for my certifications. It is time to stop resisting change and clinging my fists in anxiety over colors.

I need an app to put 3d flip desktops back?

So far I installed

1. Glass8 nag where which does not put all chrome back as 7.

2. Stardocks start8 with a black color that is translucent

3. Just need a flip app to emulate Windows key tab

Glass8 alternatives would be nice too. Any suggestions?

Just tossing it out there, if you really like Aero/gradients/etc that much and it's running everything you need, why switch at all? You got 6 years left on it, not exactly a big rush, especially if your workflow isn't going to change, never mind 10's just around the corner, may be worth waiting for what may be better. Be easier to use the built-in stuff that works 100% versus mods and get a better looking result in the process. Not a fan of transparency myself (especially with programs that misuse/abuse it), also dislike the blue pastel gradients, ick, but *shrug* personal tastes and all that, you can change it, I personally do away with a lot of that on my 7 desktops. That goes for 8 too.. there are different themes for it that can really change how it looks.

As far as the flip 3D thing goes, never used it myself (felt it gimmicky, ranks up there with wobbly windows), but I recall a program that did similar.. WinFlip or something like that, no idea if it's any good or even still developed, so don't quote me on it, but it might do what you need, theres a few other alternate task switchers out there with effects that do that as well, seen a couple that even go as far as that silly cube thing if you're into that.

There are some sites that may still have a program called winflip, I used to use it in my xp days, made xp take on the scrollable screenshots you see on vista

I daren't offer a link as linking to some sites that could be considered rivals as breaking the rules (or at the very least will be picked up by neowin's spam filter, kinda like how the 6+1 forums do)

Just tossing it out there, if you really like Aero/gradients/etc that much and it's running everything you need, why switch at all? You got 6 years left on it, not exactly a big rush, especially if your workflow isn't going to change, never mind 10's just around the corner, may be worth waiting for what may be better. Be easier to use the built-in stuff that works 100% versus mods and get a better looking result in the process. Not a fan of transparency myself (especially with programs that misuse/abuse it), also dislike the blue pastel gradients, ick, but *shrug* personal tastes and all that, you can change it, I personally do away with a lot of that on my 7 desktops. That goes for 8 too.. there are different themes for it that can really change how it looks.

As far as the flip 3D thing goes, never used it myself (felt it gimmicky, ranks up there with wobbly windows), but I recall a program that did similar.. WinFlip or something like that, no idea if it's any good or even still developed, so don't quote me on it, but it might do what you need, theres a few other alternate task switchers out there with effects that do that as well, seen a couple that even go as far as that silly cube thing if you're into that.

 

Because I used to laugh at XP die hards getting mad at Microsoft for dumping XP after a mere 13 years. I would be no different.

 

Besides I need to emulate whole freakign Cisco switches and need something that doesn't slow down under a very heavy load. Dot Matrix and others are correct in that the world changes and things advance. If I stay on Windows 7 how will I adapt to change like Windows 10 or late. I want an xboxONE too. Guess which OS is better integrated. Windows 10 may even run xboxone games if www.maximumpc.com is correct.

 

With these utilities it is bareable.

 

Also my monitor has VERY HIGH GAMMA which is why I hated the initial bright Windows task bars in 8 and Office 2013. I turned it down now so it is barable. I think the flat look is here like Yosemite has it in MacOSX but it seems to be showing off a demo which is now outdated looking in comparison. A small light aero is what I hope in Windows 10 in the consumer preview. But there is a hostile move for white flat no colors inside Microsoft. Look at the job in Office 2013. At the last second color was removed knowing folks would be forced to use it in order to get used to it. Metro in 8 was there too.

Because I used to laugh at XP die hards getting mad at Microsoft for dumping XP after a mere 13 years. I would be no different.

 

Besides I need to emulate whole freakign Cisco switches and need something that doesn't slow down under a very heavy load. Dot Matrix and others are correct in that the world changes and things advance. If I stay on Windows 7 how will I adapt to change like Windows 10 or late. I want an xboxONE too. Guess which OS is better integrated. Windows 10 may even run xboxone games if www.maximumpc.com is correct.

 

With these utilities it is bareable.

 

Also my monitor has VERY HIGH GAMMA which is why I hated the initial bright Windows task bars in 8 and Office 2013. I turned it down now so it is barable. I think the flat look is here like Yosemite has it in MacOSX but it seems to be showing off a demo which is now outdated looking in comparison. A small light aero is what I hope in Windows 10 in the consumer preview. But there is a hostile move for white flat no colors inside Microsoft. Look at the job in Office 2013. At the last second color was removed knowing folks would be forced to use it in order to get used to it. Metro in 8 was there too.

I'm curious as to why Windows 8 is otherwise "unbearable" without these additions? Personally, I find that a GUI should be clean, simple, easy to use and understand, and not distracting to the user. These are the marks of a very effective UI.

 

Windows XP's default layout hit none of those marks. XP was an constant eyesore, and fought you every inch of the way. Windows 7 hits all of those marks, except from distracting the user with unnecessary effects. Windows 8/8.1 hits all these marks. If you're obsessing over glass, shadows, and gradients, then what kind of work are you doing? Yes, glass was cool at first, but when you're working or playing at your PC, glass is the last thing on anyone's mind. Also, more times than not, it's disabled in the workplace either by hardware restrictions, or by a group policy.

During the XP years the first thing I did was put classic on. I love to see blue and gray as it showed me which was active with ease.

Vista was bad with all black or clear which would be black behind something ekse. I tried Vista glaze which kept breaking. Win 7 was exactly what I wanted!

My gamma is too high which on 8 made white title bar suck. When you a put a dark color you can't see the text so WTF . Start screen 8 Don't Care About As much.

Over the years, I have learnt to not customize OS UI too much. Trying out third party mods and figuring out their side effects is so much pain than just realizing why a UI is designed like the way it is. I just then use available built-in options+features to somewhat customize it (such as checkbox selection in FileExplorer).

This IMO is the best way to use any OS without affecting its base performance.

Over the years, I have learnt to not customize OS UI too much. Trying out third party mods and figuring out their side effects is so much pain than just realizing why a UI is designed like the way it is. I just then use available built-in options+features to somewhat customize it (such as checkbox selection in FileExplorer).

This IMO is the best way to use any OS without affecting its base performance.

I am hoping Windows 10 will fix this come January

Windows 7 hits all of those marks, except from distracting the user with unnecessary effects. Windows 8/8.1 hits all these marks. If you're obsessing over glass, shadows, and gradients, then what kind of work are you doing? Yes, glass was cool at first, but when you're working or playing at your PC, glass is the last thing on anyone's mind. Also, more times than not, it's disabled in the workplace either by hardware restrictions, or by a group policy.

 

What?  Aero glass is distracting...or you kidding me?  You are the one who doesn't think having to switch to a full screen menu just to launch an application is distracting?  Aero glass is more distracting than that?  You know what is distracting...the start screen and not being able to read text with black borders.  That is distracting (to me anyway).  Glass was never distracting...just gave the OS a nice look.  Glass can be disabled...so your distraction is gone.  I do not understand your issue with giving users options.

 

You do realize that some actually like effects (and it doesn't hinder their work)...and your hypercritical way of thinking others should feel about their system is borderline obsessive.  Your point of view is always right and everyone else  (those with opposing views) is either wrong or you are "just curious" to why x,y and z.

Because I used to laugh at XP die hards getting mad at Microsoft for dumping XP after a mere 13 years. I would be no different.

Sure, but 7 isn't due to be retired for six more years. Can't stick to one version of an OS forever, but hardly not in a big rush either. If you wanted to you could easily wait till 10 or even further before you really have to switch. If it works, *shrug* stick with it, it's still getting updated, that's what matters.

Not that I'm a die-hard anything, I have a mix of 7 and 8, pick what works and just go with it, but really excited about 10.. looks like they're going to nail that one in a big way. End of the day though, after a short tweaking session, my 7 and 8 desktops are very similar in look and feel, about the only time it's blatantly obvious which one I'm on is when I see the boot splash or copying a file.

 

If I stay on Windows 7 how will I adapt to change like Windows 10 or late.

Judging by how it's going so far, probably much easier than the 7 to 8 transition, assuming a straight out-of-the-box setup with no tweakery of course, a few tweaks and they're very similar regardless.

 

My gamma is too high which on 8 made white title bar suck. When you a put a dark color you can't see the text so WTF .

Yea I don't get why they took out the option to adjust the text colors in the titlebars, that was an odd choice. Get a third party theme with white text and go from there, there's a couple that are identical to the stock theme but with white text, or go with something else entirely. My 8 desktops use a window border that's near black, totally usable.

What?  Aero glass is distracting...or you kidding me?

Personally wouldn't say distracting, but it can be hard to read sometimes, and it's just awful to look at when a program misuses it, a few programs were spectacularly bad with it. The only time I sorta (sometimes) like it is moving windows, but can do without it. Much prefer a flatter solid window frame myself, but *shrug* opinion and all that.

Personally wouldn't say distracting, but it can be hard to read sometimes, and it's just awful to look at when a program misuses it, a few programs were spectacularly bad with it. The only time I sorta (sometimes) like it is moving windows, but can do without it. Much prefer a flatter solid window frame myself, but *shrug* opinion and all that.

 

hmmm, never ran into a program that "misuses" it.  Not saying there isn't of course.  The flat solid color window frame is fine in Windows 8...however...my big beef is that I'm unable to read text on solid black frames  (I prefer black...including Aero glass).  I'm hoping Windows 10 makes changes to this (seen white text on black border with Metro so I'm hopeful).  I've ran 8 enough of my backup notebook to realize that (even with Classic Shell) there is no way I'll upgrade any of my other computers to it.

 

I agree with opinions but mostly options ...  

hmmm, never ran into a program that "misuses" it.  Not saying there isn't of course.  The flat solid color window frame is fine in Windows 8...however...my big beef is that I'm unable to read text on solid black frames.

A good example of glass gone bad is Thunderbird. Good lord, it's awful, and there's some others.. not an epidemic or anything but when it happens you see it in a big way. And like I said, it's just an opinion, I'm sure Aero has its fans, I'm just not one of them. Was spiffy going from XP to Vista but the novelty wore off years ago for me. As far as the black frames go, I touched on that in my previous post, you can edit the theme or get a pre-built with white text.. not sure why they removed that ability, kinda stupid.

I can agree that what's there isn't horribly over-used though. Some other desktops use it too much, for example taskbar popups or dialogs that have transparency.. reeeealy hard to read and borderline useless. Aero at least hits a nice balance between purty and usability.

A good example of glass gone bad is Thunderbird. Good lord, it's awful, and there's some others.. not an epidemic or anything but when it happens you see it in a big way. And like I said, it's just an opinion, I'm sure Aero has its fans, I'm just not one of them. Was spiffy going from XP to Vista but the novelty wore off years ago for me. As far as the black frames go, I touched on that in my previous post, you can edit the theme or get a pre-built with white text.. not sure why they removed that ability, kinda stupid.

Yea. Just googled an image of thunderbird with glass...It is pretty awful. Though I think a black aero would be ok (the image I saw was almost a goldish color theme)

I personally like Windows 7 including Aero and every thing else. If MS has to do flat UI then they should learn thing or two from OS X Yosemite. There is huge difference between flat ugly design (MS) and flat sober design. OS X flat design is aesthetic and less obtrusive than MS ugly looking UI with white space everywhere. Thing looks damn unbearable on my 30 inch UHD monitor with white empty space everywhere. I will be sticking to windows 7 and my Hackintosh for the long time. I am not interested in Win 10 as well. 

Completely off topic from the OPs original post.

 

Each to their own, but I find the glass effect in Vista and 7 very obtrusive.  The flat, colour matched look for Windows 8 is something which is much easier on the eyes.  I think Vista certainly was better than XP, but to me the glass, bevelled look is something that is just superfluous and quite tacky to be honest.  I personally took to the flat gradient free look of Windows 8 immediately.

 

I have 2 Windows 7 machines (i5 laptop and Xeon desktop), 2 Windows 8 machines (Atom laptop and Core 2 Duo desktop), an i3 laptop running the Windows 10 TP, an Arm based ChromeBook and I have an i5 MacBook on the way.

I'm curious as to why Windows 8 is otherwise "unbearable" without these additions? Personally, I find that a GUI should be clean, simple, easy to use and understand, and not distracting to the user. These are the marks of a very effective UI.

 

Windows XP's default layout hit none of those marks. XP was an constant eyesore, and fought you every inch of the way. Windows 7 hits all of those marks, except from distracting the user with unnecessary effects. Windows 8/8.1 hits all these marks. If you're obsessing over glass, shadows, and gradients, then what kind of work are you doing? Yes, glass was cool at first, but when you're working or playing at your PC, glass is the last thing on anyone's mind. Also, more times than not, it's disabled in the workplace either by hardware restrictions, or by a group policy.

Like I've said 10000 times directed at YOU, everyone is different.. Different strokes for different folks. 

 

On the other hand, I actually really like Windows 8.1, just the way it is.. I hated it at first.. But, you have to give it a real honest try.. 

I'm curious as to why Windows 8 is otherwise "unbearable" without these additions? Personally, I find that a GUI should be clean, simple, easy to use and understand, and not distracting to the user. These are the marks of a very effective UI.

 

Windows XP's default layout hit none of those marks. XP was an constant eyesore, and fought you every inch of the way. Windows 7 hits all of those marks, except from distracting the user with unnecessary effects. Windows 8/8.1 hits all these marks. If you're obsessing over glass, shadows, and gradients, then what kind of work are you doing? Yes, glass was cool at first, but when you're working or playing at your PC, glass is the last thing on anyone's mind. Also, more times than not, it's disabled in the workplace either by hardware restrictions, or by a group policy.

 

I can't even take you seriously any more. The amount of changes Microsoft has already implemented with Windows 10, a number of them that have moved away from your flawed, minimalistic view of how a desktop computing experience should be. You can have eye candy and still productive. My users number one complaint with both 8 and Office 2013 are the lack of glass, too much white, bright space. Users don't want to stare of a screen blank colors or bland desks. They appreciate a little eye candy when working on their computers 8 hours a day.

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I can't even take you seriously any more. The amount of changes Microsoft has already implemented with Windows 10, a number of them that have moved away from your flawed, minimalistic view of how a desktop computing experience should be. You can have eye candy and still productive. My users number one complaint with both 8 and Office 2013 are the lack of glass, too much white, bright space. Users don't want to stare of a screen blank colors or bland desks. They appreciate a little eye candy when working on their computers 8 hours a day.

I have yet to hear any complaints from the lack of glass. Many computers I support don't even have the feature turned on. Take me as little serious as you want, again, I still believe a good GUI is one that doesn't distract you from your work. If your users are complaining about glass, then it seems like they're less focused on the tasks they should be accomplishing, and more on wasting time.

I have yet to hear any complaints from the lack of glass. Many computers I support don't even have the feature turned on. Take me as little serious as you want, again, I still believe a good GUI is one that doesn't distract you from your work. If your users are complaining about glass, then it seems like they're less focused on the tasks they should be accomplishing, and more on wasting time.

Wasting time because they want glass enabled? Nonsense.

 

I suppose users complaining that Office 2013 is too bright, white and they don't like using it and tend to use it less makes them more productive too? I mean that certainly doesn't waste time at all, right? It's also why Office 2015 is getting changed up with a dark theme too, right?

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It must be noted that the Security Advisor still contains (in my opinion) a pretty major bug in that if you enable SPC and then do the required rebooting, the Security Advisor still says that SPC is disabled. TerraMaster provided the following statement about it: It is disappointing that TOS 7 has been in beta since December, and this OOBE issue is still there. Shutdown option has moved Instead of a Taskbar option to manage the NAS, all of these options have been moved to the Control Panel, initially I did not see it and my contact had to show me how to power off the F4-425 Pro. To logout, reboot or power off you can find those controls at the top right of the Control Panel. It is also possible to power off through the TNAS mobile app beta. Storage setup Above, you can see the steps I took to create the Storage Pools and Volumes. I made a second Storage Pool using TRAID on two 4TB MP44Q SSDs (which, in this instance, is similar to RAID 5), and finally, I added the 250GB 970 Evo Plus drive as Hyper Cache on Storage Pool 1 in Balanced mode. Registering If you decide not to lock down the F4-425 Pro in Security Isolation Mode (blocking all external connections), then you could set up a TNAS device ID through the Remote Access setting in the Control Panel (which must be unique). This works in combination with an online TerraMaster account. TOS 7 TNAS Online Creating a TerraMaster account and linking the device online activates the warranty when you provide proof of purchase and the serial number, but it also gives you access through the TNAS mobile app, which allows you to complete certain operationsб including powering off and restarting the NAS remotely. A TNAS mobile update is required to gain access through TOS 7, and this is provided on the TerraMaster website, as it is not yet on Google Play. The app is evolving all the time and has made leaps and bounds since I first started reviewing TerraMaster devices almost three years ago. It is not quite there yet if you are comparing the likes of Synology, which, sadly, a lot of users online do all the time. OpenClaw setup One of the main selling points of the new F4-425 Pro is the inclusion of OpenClaw, with TerraMaster claiming that it is "powered by the world's first AI-native TOS 7 OS, supporting local-first smart workflows and independent data control." However, I immediately ran into problems trying to enable OpenClaw. After waiting 20 minutes at the "Enabling" message of the OpenClaw app following installation, I decided to do some searching online and discovered that it couldn't complete the installation process due to SPC being enabled, which is something TOS 7 immediately recommends to be enabled on first boot. SPC for NAS (TOS 7) is basically the same principle as UAC in Windows; it blocks executables from being launched by non-Super Users. After reaching out to my contact about these issues, I received the following response: Anyway, this only became clear when I closed the OpenClaw app screen and clicked on the OpenClaw icon in the taskbar; that is when I saw the message about disabling SPC. I think, due to the fact that this is a requirement, this should be a prompt during the installation process, not when closing the App Market and then trying to launch OpenClaw. There's also no 'Getting started' guide for people like me who have never used OpenClaw. I tried to add an LLM and discovered the tutorial led nowhere. That's when I started looking around the official TerraMaster forums, and I found a guide that helpfully explains that you won't get anywhere with OpenClaw unless you have a paid plan, which is disappointing because I imagined there would be an option to use a local LLM as I do in SubtitleEdit with Whisper-XXL. In addition, with the marketing imagery on the official site, it says that the OpenClaw feature is "all processed 100% locally for absolute privacy." which led me to believe that I could install a local LLM, not one that required paid tokens. In any case, TerraMaster does not provide guidance for this new feature, which was also a selling point of the F4-425 Pro! My contact also provided clarification about the above points I raised with TerraMaster Since it is not in the scope of the review to add paid services, I'll leave that to the people who are more qualified with OpenClaw. F4-425 Pro Surveillance App TOS also comes with a Surveillance app, which is not installed by default; it can be found in the App Market recommended section. In addition, after installing, it doesn't drop a shortcut on the Desktop or top taskbar, but you can "Send to Desktop" from the App Market listing for the app for a quick way to open it. Adding my Reolink POE doorbell camera was painless. TerraMaster doesn't appear to have a repository of preconfigured cameras; instead, the camera must be added using ONVIF or RTSP. No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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