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The amount of changes Microsoft has already implemented with Windows 10, a number of them that have moved away from your flawed, minimalistic view of how a desktop computing experience should be.

 

I think there is an underlying assumption in this statement that might not necessarily be true.  Just because Microsoft are making these changes in Windows 10, doesn't necessarily mean that the changes are commensurate with their vision.  The shift makes it seem they are pivoting so that they can sell their product, not because that is how they really believe the product should be.  Anyone who has worked in a product organisation will tell you of this reality.

 

Personally I think Windows 10 is what Windows 8 should have been, but Windows 11 is what Windows 8.1 is, and Windows 12 should be what Windows 8 was.  I think the jump they made was too quick (for most people), and didn't get the mind-share they needed to help make Windows 8 the success it deserved to be.

 

But that is just my opinion.  And obviously none of us are in the heads of the people that actually hold this vision.

I think there is an underlying assumption in this statement that might not necessarily be true.  Just because Microsoft are making these changes in Windows 10, doesn't necessarily mean that the changes are commensurate with their vision.  The shift makes it seem they are pivoting so that they can sell their product, not because that is how they really believe the product to be.  Anyone who has worked in a product organisation will tell you of this reality

The change that were already implemented in 8.1 vs 8 show you the back tracking Microsoft did, due to consumer sentiment, and only reinforces that many changes in 10 that are directly related to that.

 

You don't change and take out the two fundamental aspects users look for when working with Windows and put them back in a major version later.... the start button and menu. No. This was a clear oops by Microsoft and how THEY wanted their product to be and not how consumers wanted it to be.

The change that were already implemented in 8.1 vs 8 show you the back tracking Microsoft did, due to consumer sentiment, and only reinforces that many changes in 10 that are directly related to that.

 

You don't change and take out the two fundamental aspects users look for when working with Windows and put them back in a major version later.... the start button and menu. No. This was a clear oops by Microsoft and how THEY wanted their product to be and not how consumers wanted it to be.

 

Right - so I state my view as opinion, you state yours as fact.  If you have a view of what is going to happen in the future, can you tell me what the lottery numbers will be next week? /sarcasm

 

Your post just shows you completely misunderstood what I wrote... the point I made, is Microsoft may well be taking a different path to the same destination made of smaller incremental steps rather than the big bang they attempted the first time round with Windows 8.  You don't know (neither do I, but I did say it was my opinion).

 

I am sorry if the idea of a Start Menu-less world returning has ruined your day - but like I said, that is my opinion.

Wasting time because they want glass enabled? Nonsense. I suppose users complaining that Office 2013 is too bright, white and they don't like using it and tend to use it less makes them more productive too? I mean that certainly doesn't waste time at all, right?

Folks I failed. :-(

I am installing Windows 7 on my rig as I type this.

Final straw was I was held hostage by Microsoft for 30 days to change my login lock screen because it refwrenched an ancient Gmail address I NO Longer use??! I have to wait until January 20th to, change a setting on my own computer!

... and I spent all last night putting nagware like glass8 on and start8 to just have it pretend it's Windows 7.

This and metro kept popping up like a sczophrenic sailor when changing account settings.

Soo much is wrong and broken. It feels like the marketing department put it in with no testing and ignoring feedback. Sorry DOT the gui is very distracting due to it's nature. 2 different guis fighting. An emphasis of full screen for things like UAC and modern apps is bad for desktop folks with stuff open.

I proved I am not an irrational hater. I had high hopes this time around.

But consistancy and testing are sorely needed. ... well off to setup my account in win 7

I am sorry if the idea of a Start Menu-less world returning has ruined your day - but like I said, that is my opinion.

Day not ruined here.. I'm an 8.1 user both at home and work with no 3rd party tools. I enjoy 8.1 and wouldn't ever go back to 7, but I completely understand peoples frustrations (and hear them all the time) with complete lack of consistency when running 8 on a non touch system.

Because I used to laugh at XP die hards getting mad at Microsoft for dumping XP after a mere 13 years. I would be no different.

 

Besides I need to emulate whole freakign Cisco switches and need something that doesn't slow down under a very heavy load. Dot Matrix and others are correct in that the world changes and things advance. If I stay on Windows 7 how will I adapt to change like Windows 10 or late. I want an xboxONE too. Guess which OS is better integrated. Windows 10 may even run xboxone games if www.maximumpc.com is correct.

 

With these utilities it is bareable.

 

Also my monitor has VERY HIGH GAMMA which is why I hated the initial bright Windows task bars in 8 and Office 2013. I turned it down now so it is barable. I think the flat look is here like Yosemite has it in MacOSX but it seems to be showing off a demo which is now outdated looking in comparison. A small light aero is what I hope in Windows 10 in the consumer preview. But there is a hostile move for white flat no colors inside Microsoft. Look at the job in Office 2013. At the last second color was removed knowing folks would be forced to use it in order to get used to it. Metro in 8 was there too.

sinetheo - I came from mainframes, and learned that lesson the hard way.  There is no steady-state of computing, as much even us old mainframe folks wished were the case.

 

The drivers of computing (age-wise) are a lot younger, and they have mostly NOT learned the harsh lesson of complacency.  Complacency is a lot like Mother Nature - red in tooth and claw, and she takes no prisoners whatever.  She may have curves like Wonder Woman, but she also has Circe's reputation.  Change is inevitable, and you have two choices - deal with it or die/drown.  Dying is no fun - and drown is one of the least-pleasing methods of death.

Day not ruined here.. I'm an 8.1 user both at home and work with no 3rd party tools. I enjoy 8.1 and wouldn't ever go back to 7, but I completely understand peoples frustrations (and hear them all the time) with complete lack of consistency when running 8 on a non touch system.

Sounds like you got undone by using a Microsoft account tied to an old e-mail address you no longer used.  Account settings (Microsoft or otherwise) can be a bugbear - do you honestly think that Android/Google users (or iCloud users) have it ANY easier (My mom has had the same issue with Android (on her smartphone AND her tablet) twice just in December - I have had a similar issue on virtual tablets.  When you have multiple accounts - for privacy AND security reasons - it will, at some point, come back and bite you - the question is how HARD will it bite you.)

 

You could use a local account (ala 7) - as you don't HAVE to use a Microsoft account - not even in the Technical Preview.

sinetheo - I came from mainframes, and learned that lesson the hard way. There is no steady-state of computing, as much even us old mainframe folks wished were the case.

The drivers of computing (age-wise) are a lot younger, and they have mostly NOT learned the harsh lesson of complacency. Complacency is a lot like Mother Nature - red in tooth and claw, and she takes no prisoners whatever. She may have curves like Wonder Woman, but she also has Circe's reputation. Change is inevitable, and you have two choices - deal with it or die/drown. Dying is no fun - and drown is one of the least-pleasing methods of death.

I was going to say XP ma be the exception. Still is for 15% of all Internet users :-)

Sounds like you got undone by using a Microsoft account tied to an old e-mail address you no longer used. Account settings (Microsoft or otherwise) can be a bugbear - do you honestly think that Android/Google users (or iCloud users) have it ANY easier (My mom has had the same issue with Android (on her smartphone AND her tablet) twice just in December - I have had a similar issue on virtual tablets. When you have multiple accounts - for privacy AND security reasons - it will, at some point, come back and bite you - the question is how HARD will it bite you.)

You could use a local account (ala 7) - as you don't HAVE to use a Microsoft account - not even in the Technical Preview.

Besides start screen the tying to a Hotmail account is the number 2 complaint and now I see why

Personally, what I would of done if I wanted the look and feel of Windows 7 is install StartIsBack, Aero Glass for Windows 8.1, UxTheme Multi-Patcher to allow third-party theme customization and find + download a Windows 7 theme off DeviantArt.

But why put in all the effort to mimic another os poorly when you can just use the other os. Being locked out of one drive and my login screen options for 30 days is not acceptable

But why put in all the effort to mimic another os poorly when you can just use the other os. Being locked out of one drive and my login screen options for 30 days is not acceptable

 

How did you manage to get locked out? Did you enter an incorrect password many times?

 

You're already putting some effort into turning Windows 8 into Windows 7, since you're avoiding Metro and trying to get glass back. As you point out, it can be very challenging to turn one thing into something that it is not.

But why put in all the effort to mimic another os poorly when you can just use the other os. Being locked out of one drive and my login screen options for 30 days is not acceptable

If you're trying to mimic another OS, then you're not ready to move on. Windows 8 isn't Windows 7, and never will be. Windows 10 isn't Windows 7 either for that matter.

 

If you're ready to move on, then mimicking isn't going to help you in this regard. You're so hesitant to use Metro, yet that's what Microsoft's products consist of nowadays.

I have yet to hear any complaints from the lack of glass. Many computers I support don't even have the feature turned on. Take me as little serious as you want, again, I still believe a good GUI is one that doesn't distract you from your work. If your users are complaining about glass, then it seems like they're less focused on the tasks they should be accomplishing, and more on wasting time.

haha, first off, not everyone uses their computer for work and just for playing games.. Second, you'd make a horrible boss. If you manage computers in a org, you'll realize that that from admin assistants all the way to the top dogs, will bitch about the littlest things thathave nothing to do with work. It would be your job, to help them, even it it has nothing to do with work. Unless you work for a company with a highly strict computer policy, such has locked wallpapers and crap..  While, those groups make jobs easier for IT (most of the time), it just ends up being counterproductive and making enemies.. 

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well I guess you're now back to being besties with order66

 

Yep

 

I need something that just works .. and I mean work with me and not trying to decide if it is a cell phone or not. Windows 7 is starting to age but it works and is simple and gorgeous in every way. I tried and lets hope it can handle the load I plan to unleash? It should even with the outdated kernel hopefully. MS needs to rethink its accomplishments and R&D. Win 8 didn't have any. Windows 7 and XP did.

I have yet to hear any complaints from the lack of glass. Many computers I support don't even have the feature turned on. Take me as little serious as you want, again, I still believe a good GUI is one that doesn't distract you from your work. If your users are complaining about glass, then it seems like they're less focused on the tasks they should be accomplishing, and more on wasting time.

 

I don't complain about lack of glass and really never cared about it but if most users want it back they should at least be given the option natively, there was no legitimate reason to remove it.

This coming  from someone who loves a full start menu to appear everytime he presses the windows key.

 

If you pin the right programs to the start screen, it's bearable. I'm running 8.1 full time now on all but my work PC and was a staunch 7 supporter.

I was going to say XP ma be the exception. Still is for 15% of all Internet users :-)

Besides start screen the tying to a Hotmail account is the number 2 complaint and now I see why

My Outlook.com account used to BE a Hotmail account - I migrated it after settling on Outlook.com back during the debut period; the bigger issue is any e-mail account that gets little use (hence the issues I've had with GMail - Outlook.com replaced it for non-ISP e-mail, and I don't have a smartphone; I use it only for Google services, and I don't use that many of those).  In short, the issue I've had is identical to yours, and it is due to an account getting little to no use otherwise - if I had a smartphone or tablet, it is certain that my gmail.com account WOULD get more use.  (That same issue is a high complaint among tablet and smartphone users - especially Android tablet and smartphone users, with iOS users not far behind.  My Apple ID (which I use with all Apple services) is - egad - my Outlook.com account (with a different password).  XP is no exception - if anything, it is just as vulnerable as any other OS that is past the EOL date.

I wanted to like Windows 8, but I just couldn't, having only used two of the preview builds. I never used final, except briefly on in-laws' computers. My wife absolutely detests it, having used those preview builds along with me. With three builds of the Windows 10 tech preview, I've gotten her to adapt to Windows as a web service (she accepts this blindly on her third Android phone and the two she had before, as well as her Xbox 360 (not mine, nor ours) with the same account. And she's okay with live tiles, though she completely ignores them. As a married man, I'm sure some of you know, what the wife likes is a big factor in choice of OS. I think the Windows 8/8.1/10 desktop is better than 7's (I am not a fan of Glass), but the Start Screen is counterintuitive to a user who has a vertical monitor without any touch support. At least, in my opinion.

 

I'm not a fan of the Start Menu. Never have been. As early as Windows 98, I was opening two file explorer windows, both on the Start menu folder. I made categories in the top level

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No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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