AirAsia Plane With 162 Aboard Missing in Indonesia

[peacemf]

I honestly thought at the very least, pilots would get themselves that Breitling Emergency watch

In this day and age, as commercial jetliners are going missing, pull the pin, it's not misuse, and it gives armed forces a bearing at the very least to go and take a look at...

It's a tad bit expensive though. And it's a fat watch.

Could just buy some life insurance and take care of any family members?! Hmmm?!

[The Evil Overlord]

It's a tad bit expensive though. And it's a fat watch.

Could just buy some life insurance and take care of any family members?! Hmmm?!

Yes, but commercial pilots aren't exactly 'living at the poverty line' and it's an added measure, if you will, for someone who knows how to decipher and locate the distress signal's origin

And to be honest,

[Praetor]

Yes, but commercial pilots aren't exactly 'living at the poverty line' and it's an added measure, if you will, for someone who knows how to decipher and locate the distress signal's origin

And to be honest,

[The Evil Overlord]

for something that most pilots would never experience in their lifetime? 

I get your point, but I was only offering something that could be used in addition to the measures already in place, I  mentioned this in the Malaysian Airlines thread also, I just feel something isn't working (clearly it isn't) in this modern day and age, planes go 'missing' we're not talking about a  random Cessna in Antarctica here, these are large jets and it's not like commercial pilots would feel the pinch, hell they could pay for it over time out of their pay if it's all about the cost of the watch...

[Hum]

The search for missing AirAsia Flight 8501 may have received a boost Monday after an Indonesian officials said that Australian planes had spotted objects in the Java Sea search area.

 

Jakarta's Air Force base commander Rear Marshal Dwi Putranto told the Associated Press that he was informed Monday that an Orion aircraft had detected "suspicious" objects near Nangka island, about 100 miles southwest of Pangkalan Bun, near central Kalimantan, or 700 miles from the location where the plane lost contact with air traffic controllers early Sunday.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/12/29/objects-reportedly-spotted-in-search-for-missing-airasia-flight-as-hope-fades/

[Praetor]

I get your point, but I was only offering something that could be used in addition to the measures already in place, I  mentioned this in the Malaysian Airlines thread also, I just feel something isn't working (clearly it isn't) in this modern day and age, planes go 'missing' we're not talking about a  random Cessna in Antarctica here, these are large jets and it's not like commercial pilots would feel the pinch, hell they could pay for it over time out of their pay if it's all about the cost of the watch...

 

Agree, the current solutions aren't providing enough measures to find the wreckage, but it shouldn't be the pilots to provide more measures but the airplane itself and the airliner should buy them (for cutting costs they don't implement all the solutions the airplanes constructors make). Regarding the Malasyan Airlines: the problem is that this is a big ocean, so it really feels like a Cessna went missing in there, not a big airliner.

 

i hope this time they find a quick resolution for this, those poor families need answers.

[bonalste]

Yes, but commercial pilots aren't exactly 'living at the poverty line' and it's an added measure, if you will, for someone who knows how to decipher and locate the distress signal's origin

And to be honest,

[The Evil Overlord]

Well if it's that cheap maybe you can buy me one. And how do you know that pilots aren't on the poverty line? I had to go bankrupt just a year into my job. This isn't the 1960s anymore. When I started, after loan repayments I was making less than someone who works at McDonalds.

If commercial pilots are living at the poverty line then they need to rethink their career path, I work as a truck driver and could afford to buy you one, but as you are in fact, a total stranger and my life isn't in your hands, no! Bankrupt a year into your job? I'll refrain from posting an opinion here.

And that reference to the 1960's waaaay before I was born, my comments were simply in reference to another form of tracking, but without any field data there's no way to know if it would help, but feel free to continue trying to put me down for suggesting something else be done in order to try and at least track the location of the plane.

For the record, I was looking forward to your reply as you have experience in being a pilot (or at least that's what I thought from the malaysia airlines thread)

[bonalste]

If commercial pilots are living at the poverty line then they need to rethink their career path, I work as a truck driver and could afford to buy you one, but as you are in fact, a total stranger and my life isn't in your hands, no! Bankrupt a year into your job? I'll refrain from posting an opinion here.

And that reference to the 1960's waaaay before I was born, my comments were simply in reference to another form of tracking, but without any field data there's no way to know if it would help, but feel free to continue trying to put me down for suggesting something else be done in order to try and at least track the location of the plane.

For the record, I was looking forward to your reply as you have experience in being a pilot (or at least that's what I thought from the malaysia airlines thread)

When you owe

[The Evil Overlord]

When you owe

[zhangm Supervisor]

So is it true that the request for change in altitude was denied?

[Melfster]

They don't they think the plane is surely broadcasting its location over its own GPS at least until the power goes out

 

 

How do you broadcast under water?

[Melfster]

So is it true that the request for change in altitude was denied?

 

There was another plane at the altitude they were requesting

[DocM]

It just broke that they've found victims.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/12/30/air-asia-search-day-three/

BREAKING: 'Victims' have been spotted near the area where the missing AirAsia plane vanished, Indonesia officials say.

Indonesia officials confirmed reports of spotting an emergency door and a life jacket in the Java Sea

An Indonesian military aircraft spotted white, red and black objects including what appears to be a life jacket about 105 miles off the coast of Pangkalan Bun Tuesday. One helicopter has been dispatched to pick up the items for investigation.

"This is the most significant finding, but we cannot confirm anything until the investigation is completed," Murjatmodjo said.

The announcement comes after the U.S. sent a destroyer to help with the search-and-rescue operation Tuesday.

The 7th Fleet said the USS Sampson, which was already on an independent deployment in the Western Pacific, would be at the scene later Tuesday, Fox News confirmed.

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[sundayx Veteran]

BBC is also reporting.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30630330

 

At least 40 bodies have been recovered from the sea in the search for missing AirAsia Flight QZ8501, the Indonesian navy says.

The bodies were spotted along with debris floating in the Java Sea off the Indonesian part of Borneo, in one of the search zones for the plane.

There has been no official confirmation that the remains come from the plane.

The Airbus A320-200, carrying 162 people from Surabaya in Indonesia to Singapore, disappeared on Sunday.

 

[FloatingFatMan]

So very sad.  At least this time though, they've actually found the crash site so the families will have some closure...

[Brian M. Veteran]

Given the technology available today, why can't we have real time video transmitted from the cockpit and outside the plane. It wouldn't be that hard to do, and means we would at least know what's happened to these planes before millions are spend on search operations.

[DocM]

Bandwidth. Not enough internet satellites capable vs the number of in-flight aircraft. That may change if the 700 satellite SpaceX & WorldVu/F5 internet satellite joint venture gets launched. We'll know in a few weeks.

[tsupersonic]

Given the technology available today, why can't we have real time video transmitted from the cockpit and outside the plane. It wouldn't be that hard to do, and means we would at least know what's happened to these planes before millions are spend on search operations.

Do you know how many flights are in the air at one time? That's a ridiculous amount of data to be transmitted and stored. Contrary to what you read/watch in media, planes are still the safest mode to travel. In 2013, there were the least amount of fatalities for modern aviation history. In 2014, there were the lowest number of crashes, for modern aviation history. 

[ATLien_0]

Given the technology available today, why can't we have real time video transmitted from the cockpit and outside the plane. It wouldn't be that hard to do, and means we would at least know what's happened to these planes before millions are spend on search operations.

There is a company, I believe out of Canada working on a Cloud based black box. The way they describe it, is it checks in every hour, any deviation from flight path it automatically changes to live broacasts

[Brian M. Veteran]

Do you know how many flights are in the air at one time? That's a ridiculous amount of data to be transmitted and stored. Contrary to what you read/watch in media, planes are still the safest mode to travel. In 2013, there were the least amount of fatalities for modern aviation history. In 2014, there were the lowest number of crashes, for modern aviation history. 

 

I get that and I'm not questioning the safety of air travel, but given the technology available to us, when things do rarely go wrong, we shouldn't be in a position where we have no idea what happened to an aircraft.

 

You don't need to transmit every video from every flight, nor does it all have to be stored. Just allow ATC to request it, or automatically send it in the case of anything unusual (route diversion, power cut, harsh manoeuvre, etc). 

[The Evil Overlord]

There is a company, I believe out of Canada working on a Cloud based black box. The way they describe it, is it checks in every hour, any deviation from flight path it automatically changes to live broacasts

British Airways was testing something similar (a while back) constant reports back to a datacentre, in theory little to no need for in flight recorders, don't know if they scrapped it or not..

[Beyond Godlike]

I find it hard to believe a plane can go missing. With all the international tension and monitoring going on, how can any part of of the world's airspace go unwatched. 

[TDT]

Do you know how many flights are in the air at one time? That's a ridiculous amount of data to be transmitted and stored. Contrary to what you read/watch in media, planes are still the safest mode to travel. In 2013, there were the least amount of fatalities for modern aviation history. In 2014, there were the lowest number of crashes, for modern aviation history. 

That conception always bugged me. Safest, compared to what? Isn't that just a matter of proportion? I mean, there are clearly fewer planes than automobiles, right? So the chance of an accident is obviously smaller than a car crash.

[xrobwx71]

Mindboggling that they do not know where this plane is.  Same thing with MH370.  

 

These planes should have their location known from takeoff to landing (or impact).  ADS-B (or better yet ALAS) devices need to put on the fast track and implemented into these aircraft.

We have these:

https://www.apple.com/icloud/find-my-iphone.html

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsp.android.phonetracker&hl=en

https://preyproject.com/

Why do planes not have this?