This "Forced Updates for Windows 10 Home" thing has to stop!

[Osiris]

Sorry but you're plain wrong, as a tech savvy user who will keep Home and let the updates roll I have no issue with this, and neither should you

 

See I prefer design that doesn't tell people what they should and shouldn't like...Let me put it this way, I didn't have a problem when the start menu was removed from win8, was "I have no issues with this, and neither should you" an acceptable answer to you or anyone else?  No it wasn't.  Would 'buy the pro edition to customise the start menu' be a suitable answer?  No it wouldn't.  Granted these features are on different levels of usability and user concern but artificially taking away choice isn't something to defend or praise.

 

MS improving the out of the box experience for the user is a welcome change and they can achieve this by making automatic updates on by default and removing the config page from the onboarding setup, so for a lot of users they will never worry about those settings but for those that do want to make changes they still can.  win, win.

 

Taking away choice has proven time and time again to be poor design even more so when the same objectives can be achieved whilst leaving the choice in - not as a cheap way to artificially prop up a more expensive version of the same product.  Call me crazy but i'd rather reward MS with my dollars for adding new features and functionality to the pro version not paying them for the privilege to customise things I previously could.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Changing a UI element != Allowing non-technical users to change security settings they don't understand.

Technical users aren't going to be running a OS designed for non-technical users. Do people complain that their non-server copies of Windows don't have server functionality? Different versions are designed for different end-users.

[tompkin]

Changing a UI element != Allowing non-technical users to change security settings they don't understand.

Technical users aren't going to be running a OS designed for non-technical users. Do people complain that their non-server copies of Windows don't have server functionality? Different versions are designed for different end-users.

 

Changing a UI element != Allowing non-technical users to change security settings they don't understand.

Technical users aren't going to be running a OS designed for non-technical users. Do people complain that their non-server copies of Windows don't have server functionality? Different versions are designed for different end-users.

I'm a technical user and I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium. Here is how I look at it. Everyone has a right to complain. That is, after all, a part of what people do on this forum and others like it. There is no "minimum standard" that you have to achieve to do that. 

 

The dumbest end user has a right to complain. Even if they have no idea what their talking about they have a right to complain. 

 

I could just as easily say that Windows 8.1 users have no right to complain about the UI either. After all, their getting a free upgrade so what else do they want? Saying that some have the right to complain while others don't is a slippery slope because then we all have determine who meets that criteria. 

 

I am sure that I am going to lay down the $100 and upgrade to the Pro version. But people saying other people don't have a right to complain is utter nonsense when we all do it. 

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

I'm not saying people don't have a right to complain, just that the complaints are for the most part, baseless.

Getting upset that a OS release not designed for you doesn't cater to you?

[Dadwen]

I'm not saying people don't have a right to complain, just that the complaints are for the most part, baseless.

Getting upset that a OS release not designed for you doesn't cater to you?

I find it odd you don't think it a baseless complaint because they don't want to spend an extra 99$ for a feature they already have. I have a few systems that will get pro but no all so in the end I just won't update them *guess that's just less to add to the MS goal of 1 billion 10 PC's in 3 years and unless someone releases a workaround\hack before the free year is up they will stay that way.

 

Being a power users does not seem to me  to equal throwing away extra money and although I have auto updates on most of peoples computers I work on enabled there are two off the top of my head I have changed so they don't eat up their Cell time and I update on my connection for them or I showed them how to do it manually when they have someplace with a free wireless connection.

[joep1984]

Just don't upgrade to Windows 10.  Problem solved.

[ViperAFK]

I think this is a dumb change, but there will almost certainly be a way to work around it.

[Stoffel]

I find it odd you don't think it a baseless complaint because they don't want to spend an extra 99$ for a feature they already have. I have a few systems that will get pro but no all so in the end I just won't update them *guess that's just less to add to the MS goal of 1 billion 10 PC's in 3 years and unless someone releases a workaround\hack before the free year is up they will stay that way.

 

Being a power users does not seem to me  to equal throwing away extra money and although I have auto updates on most of peoples computers I work on enabled there are two off the top of my head I have changed so they don't eat up their Cell time and I update on my connection for them or I showed them how to do it manually when they have someplace with a free wireless connection.

 

Do you really think MS didn't think about that and it will just download everything over a cell connection?

There will be options in place to only download when you are connected to a network of you choosing I guess.

You already have these options on WP, so I assume they will come to Win10 also

[Dadwen]

Do you really think MS didn't think about that and it will just download everything over a cell connection?

There will be options in place to only download when you are connected to a network of you choosing I guess.

You already have these options on WP, so I assume they will come to Win10 also

How is windows 10 going to know if it's hooked to a wireless router or a Cell Hotspot router? also if there was a way to keep putting off the updates (or just telling it none of the networks of my choosing was approved for updates) then kinda defeat the force auto updates then .

[Xilo]

How is windows 10 going to know if it's hooked to a wireless router or a Cell Hotspot router? also if there was a way to keep putting off the updates (or just telling it none of the networks of my choosing was approved for updates) then kinda defeat the force auto updates then .

Well, I know Windows 8 already knows if you are on a metered connection or not.

[TrevorLahey]

No, updates should be forced for home users. Average user not updating is one of the biggest boons to PC techs and one of the main causes for their computers to get screwed up.

Which gives the OS and Microsoft a bad name.  I sick of hearing clowns say buy an apple because you won't get a virus.

[Ironman273]

The crux of this argument boils down to "I want features in my OS and I don't want to pay for them."

 

Microsoft is giving the upgrade to everyone the first year on their terms.  You don't have to take the version they're giving you and upgrade the same way tons of people have done in the past for $99.  That's the issue.  "I want what I want but not if someone else is not having to pay for what they get, even if it's not what I want."

 

As Decryptor said, you have the right to complain, anyone else has the right to call you out on your complaint.  

 

[+Warwagon MVC]

You are kidding right?  It took SOOOOO LOOOOONG for Windows XP to scan and display a list of updates.  The system 15 years ago was much worse.

 

I agree that failing updates provide useless random error codes.  I hate that too.

 

That's true, but i've also seen Modern systems using the Windows update Program, take just as long searching for updates.

 

Which gives the OS and Microsoft a bad name.  I sick of hearing clowns say buy an apple because you won't get a virus.

 

People always ask me if it's true that Mac's don't get Viruses

 

I tell them, yes and no. No in the fact that at the moment 95% of all viruses are targeted towards Windows machines. Yes in the fact that the only reason they don't get viruses more than they already do, is because the virus / malware makers don't care enough to create one. They go where the largest market share is.

[Dadwen]

The crux of this argument boils down to "I want features in my OS and I don't want to pay for them."

no it's more like "I want to keep the features I already have in my OS and I don't want to pay extra to keep them"   sounds like more of a trade off for a free crippled version plus the privliage to access their store in the mix.

*again the computers I have that don't get pro will just stay 7 and MS can find the 2 or 3 year goal to one billion Windows 10 users elsewhere. (I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way about it).

 

**that or like someone else said with any luck a hack will be found to put those settings back.

[Ironman273]

no it's more like "I want to keep the features I already have in my OS and I don't want to pay extra to keep them"   sounds like more of a trade off for a free crippled version plus the privliage to access their store in the mix.

*again the computers I have that don't get pro will just stay 7 and MS can find the 2 or 3 year goal to one billion Windows 10 users elsewhere. (I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way about it).

 

**that or like someone else said with any luck a hack will be found to put those settings back.

Don't you understand you can keep the features you already have?  JUST DON'T UPGRADE!!!  Why do you feel you're entitled to upgrade and entitled to get everything for free?

 

As has been mentioned here many many times, they probably made the decision to change the feature set in order to provide the overwhelming majority of PC users with a better experience.  So you are in the extreme minority.  Yet they still have a solution for you!!  But you complain because it's not free.

[xWhiplash]

no it's more like "I want to keep the features I already have in my OS and I don't want to pay extra to keep them" sounds like more of a trade off for a free crippled version plus the privliage to access their store in the mix.

*again the computers I have that don't get pro will just stay 7 and MS can find the 2 or 3 year goal to one billion Windows 10 users elsewhere. (I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way about it).

**that or like someone else said with any luck a hack will be found to put those settings back.

Guess what? Features sometimes get removed with newer operating systems. The classic start menu, program manager, older hardware support, and more.

Making updates required is a good decision. I am sorry you have a home edition, but stuff happens. 90% of home users will benefit from this. The very few who like to manage every little bit of stuff on their computer AND use the home edition will just have to deal with it. There are more generic users with Home than there are pro users with Home.

And for the last time people, stop making things sound like every single windows update causes issues. It is rare. And even if it is still the same as before, people will still encounter issues.

Updates aren't required now right? Yet people still have issues with updates sometimes.

[Stoffel]

Why do so many keep forgetting that MS has introduced 2 more testing rings to ship these updates to before they will go to the general public.

So these updates will be tested on many more PC configurations than they did before.

This should reduce the chances of faulty updates even more.

 

To be fair I've been using WU with automatic downloads for the last 3 years on multiple computers and never had any issues

[Jose_49]

but Windows also treats new driver updates the same way - and forcing the installation of new drivers is not always a good idea; I have had instances where new drivers were less stable or offered fewer features than older drivers. 

 

Soooo trueeeee!!!! I'm having huge problems with a Synaptic drivers whereas its version 17 is much better than its current version. 

[greenwizard88]

I think the forced driver updates are a bad idea, but they should still happen. Maybe an option to roll-back a driver... I think a blanket forced-update is a bad idea, but I love the idea 90% of the time.

[Dadwen]

Don't you understand you can keep the features you already have?  JUST DON'T UPGRADE!!!  Why do you feel you're entitled to upgrade and entitled to get everything for free?

 

As has been mentioned here many many times, they probably made the decision to change the feature set in order to provide the overwhelming majority of PC users with a better experience.  So you are in the extreme minority.  Yet they still have a solution for you!!  But you complain because it's not free.

Think I said that (and there are some people depending on how it's handled I will recommend for now staying with 7 or 8)...  so that being said I should just not voice why I would not want to go to windows 10 and shut up huh (in a thread started to voice said dislike about windows 10), and being a few people have stated here (depending on how MS handles the Driver part of the update) there is a good chance it won't be a better experience.

 

But being I'm not getting the same product I had before with out extra $$ it's not really free is it, their is a catch to it. (also it's been said before it's not free because Microsoft is the tooth fairly and Santa Claus, it's free because they want to get the Store out there to more people) they flat out said they have a goal of how many windows 10 they want in the next few years.

 

**and the driver issues are not that rare in the last few months I've have computers I've worked on that the sound, Sata and graphic drivers from windows update have caused an issue.

Edited June 9, 2015 by Dadwen

[Sincere Dude]

No one bats an eye when Chrome OS touts its always-up-to-date "feature". Like many others said before, most home users don't know much about updates and are much better off with automatic ones. Not only does Windows 10 become more secure automatically, but also gets more features. Of course, if Microsoft decides to push features that require another EULA to be accepted, then they will require user interaction. This will likely happen for major updates such as Redstone. Anyway, I find that automatic updates' advantages outweigh the risks involved with drivers messing up. Perhaps Microsoft will start being more vigilant in testing. And of course, there are the Insiders.

[ellentk]

I'm not a fan either. Especially after the June update gave me a "Could not connect to System Event Notification Service" error plus a "desktop does not load and only displays a black or blue background after you log on" error, and messed up the properties of my desktop MS Word icon.

[ajnauron]

Wow.  Windows update just forced new intel graphics drivers on me and now I can't boot into windows, all I get is a black screen.  Time to system restore.  My question is how long will it take before people realize this kinda sucks.

[Osiris]

Judging by this thread never, its clearly a brilliant idea that everybody has been demanding. 

 

Removing choices and pointlessly offering them as features of a 'pro' version is clearly in the consumers interest, praise MS for such innovation and user centric design.

[The_Observer]

There are some issues around this, i think it will back fire on MS, cause 1 wrong update and people machines are not working, WHO pays to get it fixed!