MS Chief Marketing Officer talks Windows 10 and previous versions.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly/episodes/445?autostart=false

 

Interview starts around 8:30 with Mr. Capossela (the Forbes article seemed to focus on his comments around 28 minutes).  He discussed Windows 10 privacy concerns around 32 minutes.

 

Slight eye roll at 56:04 minutes (just listen).

HoloLens discussion at 56:45

 

Various other things about Windows mobile are in there as well (though I skipped it).

 

It is actually a bit interesting ... and though I do not like how Microsoft and Mr. Capossela have aggressively pushed 10 ... he does bring about good points/reasoning though I may not 100% agree with them.

[Order_66]

16 hours ago, Jared- said:

FUD, and complete click bait.

 

Windows 7 is going to be around for another 10 years.

10 years minimum, probably longer.

[Order_66]

7 hours ago, DoctorD said:

Windows 10:

 

They've asked nicely, tried to force it on us, now its flat out scare tactics,.......

 

Next thing will be a knock on our doors from Microsoft reps with baseball bats,

Don't give them any ideas lol

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

4 hours ago, Unobscured Vision said:

That's not what I meant at all. I have no issue with Microsoft wanting everyone to use Windows 10. The issues I have with Windows are the long-standing UI and under-the-hood annoyances that have gone unfixed since (in one case) Windows 2000 or even earlier. Microsoft needs to commit to making a better-quality product whenever possible; and an annoyance like "taskbar auto-hide settings becoming disregarded by the system" is inexcusable.

Windows still has crap left over from the 3.1 days in it, Microsoft not fixing UI issues and the like isn't a new occurrence.

 

Hell, I was just reading yesterday about how badly Windows handles Unicode in the console (And a myriad of other APIs), it's been broken so long that it's now "by design". uxtheme completely ignores DPI scaling and has since day 1, it's more likely that the old Win32 windowing APIs will be deprecated before the bug is fixed, etc.

[gameboy1977]

4 hours ago, xendrome said:

Original interview was taken totally out of context, then author decided to start story with a clickbait title and first couple of paragraphs. Horrible journalism. 

 

I'm changing the title of this thread to stop the FUD/Clickbait even though I know the source article has the same title.

thanks...   it does make sense to me.

[HawkMan]

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There’s only one problem with Capossela’s statements: they are complete rubbish.

Windows 7 is no less secure than Windows 10 (it will be supported until 2020)

 

So the article writer is also completely incompetent. Getting security updates doesn't mak you as secure as a more modern OS with the same security updates. security is far more than than. The design of the OS systems and user interface among many others things that are only changed when upgrading the full OS system add a lot of security as well. 

 

It's as stupid as claiming that XP and Windows 7 was as  secure after windows 7 was released and XP was still getting security updates(well it still is in the XP POS edition). Any idiot, including the author of this "article" knows that's just isn't true. And while the difference isn't as big between 7 and 10, There certainly are system difference that make it more secure than 7 even if 7 is still getting security updates. 

[HawkMan]

4 hours ago, Order_66 said:

10 years minimum, probably longer.

 

They won't pull another XP. it's to expensive, 7 doesn't have the support and it certainly don't ave the enterprise loyalty that allowed it to live for as long. also unlike XP enterprises now have good solid thrustworthy upgrades and they know that it's cheaper to upgrade than to stick with the old now. Also since they all moved away from XP, they also moved away from the legacy software that kept many of them on XP. 

 

Enterprises was the only reason XP lived as long, and enterprises are upgrading to windows 10. home users who stick to old OS' doesn't matter in the slightest to MS. 

[Gone]

20 hours ago, The_Decryptor said:

It is entirely unsurprising that Microsoft wants people to move to up to date OS releases, the last thing we need is another Windows XP holding everything back.

Please inform us how XP is holding you back and is holding progress back? I myself am Using Windows 7, I never felt "held back"  by the operating system anybody else uses. 

 

3 hours ago, HawkMan said:

 

They won't pull another XP. it's to expensive, 7 doesn't have the support and it certainly don't ave the enterprise loyalty that allowed it to live for as long. also unlike XP enterprises now have good solid thrustworthy upgrades and they know that it's cheaper to upgrade than to stick with the old now. Also since they all moved away from XP, they also moved away from the legacy software that kept many of them on XP. 

 

Enterprises was the only reason XP lived as long, and enterprises are upgrading to windows 10. home users who stick to old OS' doesn't matter in the slightest to MS. 

I disagree, take a look at their stupid "upgrade to 10" update that keeps installing itself even when uninstalled and hidden, to force or trick users into installing Windows 10. Look at their "Ooops we didn't mean to force you to upgrade, sorry!" incident.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

4 hours ago, SpeedyTheSnail said:

Please inform us how XP is holding you back and is holding progress back? I myself am Using Windows 7, I never felt "held back"  by the operating system anybody else uses. 

...

Because users still expect their software to run on these old operating systems, and when devs have to cater to that they can't take advantage of newer APIs (e.g. WARP is busted on Windows 7, you need Windows 8+ to use it properly, so for example Mozilla had to retain their old software compositor in their 64bit version which otherwise could have been removed)

 

And then there's the issue of things like system libraries getting security fixes, but not security updates (The TLS implementation prior to Windows 10 isn't great, etc.)

[HawkMan]

12 hours ago, SpeedyTheSnail said:

 

 

I disagree, take a look at their stupid "upgrade to 10" update that keeps installing itself even when uninstalled and hidden, to force or trick users into installing Windows 10. Look at their "Ooops we didn't mean to force you to upgrade, sorry!" incident.

You disagree? with what ?

 

That enterprises are upgrading ? well facts tell you otherwise, also they're enterprises they're no upgrading because of the upgrade assistant. 

That MS retire OS' based on enterprise usage no home users ? well another fact check for you. They won't keep an old OS alive because of home users, they will however try to bring home users to newer and inherently more secure and securely designed OS' because an un-secure OS/users isn't just a danger to himself but to everyone else as well. 

 

If you're going to make a claim, say what the claim is, then bring some arguments to actually back it up. 

[Gone]

2 hours ago, HawkMan said:

You disagree? with what ?

 

That enterprises are upgrading ? well facts tell you otherwise, also they're enterprises they're no upgrading because of the upgrade assistant. 

That MS retire OS' based on enterprise usage no home users ? well another fact check for you. They won't keep an old OS alive because of home users, they will however try to bring home users to newer and inherently more secure and securely designed OS' because an un-secure OS/users isn't just a danger to himself but to everyone else as well. 

 

If you're going to make a claim, say what the claim is, then bring some arguments to actually back it up. 

I disagree with the last part of your statement, "if users stick to the old OS then Microsoft doesn't care in the least". If you reread my comment in the context of the last sentence of your post then you will see that I did bring arguments to back up my statement.

 

 

How is Windows 10 inherently secure? It has a lot more chance of privacy violations and data interception than prior versions of Windows. 

 

If W10 is "inherently more secure" then a virus for a Windows 7, Vista, and XP computer theoretically should not infect a W10 computer right? So therefore using a previous version of Windows does not make somebody a danger to everybody else as well, it is more fanboy fear mongering. Alternatively, using an generally unused operating system makes you slightly safer as hackers target the bigger market shares for a reason.

 

Microsoft isn't giving Windows 10 away for free to consumers out of the goodness of their heart, there is a business reason and that is why they are pushing it so hard, it is not because they want to make the world safer. If they cared about security and privacy they would stop putting NSA backdoors in their software, they would not have data collection (Fanboys can keep saying it is to improve your experience, but having no true way to opt out is bad).

 

Enterprises get the most out of their equipment, they are upgrading from XP to Windows 10 probably because of cost and future compatibility, not because W10 is awesome and more secure. 

 

They will use these systems for another 10-15 years, small businesses (of course not enterprise) might use them even longer.

 

Take your trolling somewhere else, I know what I am talking about

[HawkMan]

1 hour ago, SpeedyTheSnail said:

 

How is Windows 10 inherently secure? It has a lot more chance of privacy violations and data interception than prior versions of Windows. 

 

Inherrently MORE ecure.

 

And it should be obvious to anyone with any degree of knowledge about code or computer technology. While both systems get patches for security holes(for now) Windows 10's systems are upgraded and use newer code with better security practices and coding. That's part of what you do when you upgrade code, you write new code that''s newer and better at the basic level. thing that are't patched by mere security patches. 

 

And you're confusing not being affected by viruses as more secure. this isn't just about viruses, it's about opening holes into you networks. about drones for their bot nets which affects EVERYONE. about infecting other targets which can then be used as man in the middle gateways to target you or infect other devices you connect through which then affects you and can leave your connections affected. 

 

oh.. right nsa backdoors... right, I just realized this discussion is pointless, and I wasted my time talking about anything technical and rational. 

 

 

 

oh and you're also completely off about your enterprise comments, again.  enterprises as a whole alreadys upgradeed to windows 7, and are no AGAIN, upgrading to windows 10. because they are no longer trapped in  situation they can't upgrade, and because there's no reason not to upgrade and because upgrading to windows 10 makes sense for them, and a major part of that IS security. If you knew what you where talking about, you would know that. 

[BajiRav]

I completely missed this until now. The OP (on Forbes) is probably the stupidest anti Microsoft hater ever.