Cancel the Olympics?

[Jim K Global Moderator]

32 minutes ago, Mirumir said:

Yet, no gay athlete experienced any problems or was jailed as far as I'm aware.

 

How many countries have the U.S. bombed since the Soviets pulled out of Afghan?

 

TBH, the U.S. have depleted their capability to criticize Russia on foreign policy issues.

As FloatingFatMan pointed out ... that was in the 80's.  Everything since happened after the boycott.  You brought up the boycott ... and I gave you the reason why the boycott occurred.

 

23 minutes ago, Mirumir said:

So neither Korea or Vietnam (among many other US interventions) didn't happen prior to 1980, did they? 

Even so, the Soviet Union could have boycotted if they wished.  Biggest difference between Korea/Vietnam .... both N. Korea/N. Vietnam invaded their southern neighbors.  Both N. Korea/N. Vietnam were supporters of (and were supported by) communist countries which was seen as a threat by the West.  Anyway, the situation was entirely different (be it right or wrong) than when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan.  The UN demanded their withdrawal, the Islamic conference demanded their withdrawal...anyway ... at the end of it 100K Soviet troops were in Afghan.  It took a level headed President, Gorbachev, to get the freak outta there.  Anyway, just hard to compare Korea/Vietnam to Afghanistan.  The Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan is better compared to the US/Iraq invasion...but of course that happened much later than the 80's Olympic boycott (once again you all responded in kind during the '84 Olympics).

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11 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Russia were quite free to protest similarly, if they had so chosen to do so.

They did, but still came to all the Olympics. 

 

I thought the issue we were arguing about was Olympics serving as a vehicle for dialogue.

 

4 minutes ago, jjkusaf said:

 The Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan is better compared to the US/Iraq invasion

There's no resemblance there whatsoever.  

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13 minutes ago, jjkusaf said:

US/Iraq invasion

You seem to forget that The US did not invade Iraq unilaterally, I believe there was a coalition with The UK involve and other nations..

[Jim K Global Moderator]

13 minutes ago, Mirumir said:

There's no resemblance there whatsoever.  

Sure there is...at least more so than comparing US intervention in Korea/Vietnam which you brought up earlier.  Anyway...the Soviet Union shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan nor we should have invaded Iraq.  I firmly believe our attack on Afghanistan was justified due to them harboring al-Qaeda (and wouldn't hand over Osama)...the ones responsible for almost 3K killed on 9/11.  Iraq...not so much...and I've been there.

 

3 minutes ago, Gary7 said:

You seem to forget that The US did not invade Iraq unilaterally, I believe there was a coalition with The UK involve and other nations..

No, I didn't "seem" to forget anything.  I didn't think it was needed since the US basically spearheaded the operation.  Sorry, didn't realize I was doing a whole historical context on the subject.  

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Just now, jjkusaf said:

  I firmly believe our attack on Afghanistan were justified due to them harboring al-Qaeda (and wouldn't hand over Osama)

That's simply hilarious, since the Soviet invasion was triggered precisely by the US hiring the Mujahideen, an al-Qaeda's predecessor, in order to boot the Soviets out of the country.

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2 minutes ago, jjkusaf said:

Sure there is...at least more so than comparing US intervention in Korea/Vietnam which you brought up earlier.  Anyway...the Soviet Union shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan nor we should have invaded Iraq.  I firmly believe our attack on Afghanistan was justified due to them harboring al-Qaeda (and wouldn't hand over Osama)...the ones responsible for almost 3K killed on 9/11.  Iraq...not so much...and I've been there.

 

No, I didn't forget.  I didn't think it was needed since the US basically spearheaded the operation.  Sorry, didn't realize I was doing a whole historical context on the subject.  

Yea but when I leave out one small thing the entire forum comes down on me. The facts post all the facts.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

7 minutes ago, Mirumir said:

That's simply hilarious, since the Soviet invasion was triggered precisely by the US hiring the Mujahideen, an al-Qaeda's predecessor, in order to boot the Soviets out of the country.

Wait, so the Mujahideen carried out terrorist attacks on the Soviet Union soil?  Nope.  The Soviet Union got involved with Afghanistan's civil war...set out to assassinate their Prime Minister, Amin, to further protect their socialist ideology and motivated geopolitical interests.  It of course is more complicated than that ... and it does boil down to whatever Communism supported the US opposed ... which is why the US supported the Mujahideen in removing the conquering forces of the Soviet Union.

 

5 minutes ago, Gary7 said:

Yea but when I leave out one small thing the entire forum comes down on me. The facts post all the facts.

No one asked you.

 

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Just now, jjkusaf said:

Wait, so the Mujahideen carried out terrorist attacks on Russian soil?  Nope.  The Soviet Union got involved with Afghanistan's civil war...set out to assassinate their Prime Minister, Amin, to further protect their socialist ideology and motivated geopolitical interests.  

 

No one asked you.

 

Carter should NOT have boycotted the 1980 Olympics. I felt sorry for all of those athletes around the world that trained for years for nothing.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

Just now, Gary7 said:

Carter should NOT have boycotted the 1980 Olympics. I felt sorry for all of those athletes around the world that trained for years for nothing.

ok?  Your opinion is beside the point.  The reasoning behind it, plus the world's (aside from pro-communist countries) condemnation of Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan is the reason "why".  

 

Once again, the Soviet Union (and other pro-Communist countries) boycotted the '84 Olympics.  

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13 minutes ago, jjkusaf said:

ok?  Your opinion is beside the point.  The reasoning behind it, plus the world's (aside from pro-communist countries) condemnation of Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan is the reason "why".  

 

Once again, the Soviet Union (and other pro-Communist countries) boycotted the '84 Olympics.  

Maybe your opinion is besides the point. Who made you the Olympic expert.

 

Carter should NOT have boycotted the 1980 Olympics. I felt sorry for all of those athletes around the world that trained for years for nothing. 

I will post my opinion in any thread at any time. This is what is done in Forums.

 

[Jim K Global Moderator]

5 minutes ago, Gary7 said:

Maybe your opinion is besides the point.

I never gave an opinion on the '80/'84 boycotts.  Read man...read.

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3 minutes ago, jjkusaf said:

I never gave an opinion on the '80/'84 boycotts.  Read man...read.

See there you go again.

 

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No one asked you

Your opinion unless you can show me a source ... Anything I post without a source should be considered opinion.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

2 minutes ago, Gary7 said:

See there you go again.

 

Your opinion unless you can show me a source ... Anything I post without a source should be considered opinion.

Sorry, I thought it was kind of common knowledge ... the reason behind why the US and others boycotted the '80 Olympics ... and in turn why the Soviet Union and others boycotted the '84 Olympics.  Since you are apparently unaware of the reasoning .... sources per your request ...

 

Reasons why the US boycotted the '80 Olympics

Reasons why the Soviet Union boycotted the '84 Olympics

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On 6/20/2016 at 6:28 PM, Mirumir said:

Please send a message to the author if you have any questions (that is if you've read the whole thing which I doubt).

You bring it here, you take responsibility for it.

[Mando]

On 23/06/2016 at 7:21 PM, Mirumir said:

Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?

 

Please explain the causes of the European Refugee Crisis when two million people left their homes and fled to Europe in one of the biggest human migrations in human history.

 

 

erm sorry to burst your bubble, but of course its going to be the highest its ever been, the globes population is also the highest its ever been......flawed logic im afraid.

 

Biggest in human histroy LOL i think not, i can think of at least 6 million in 1939-1945 that "were forced to leave their homes" and relocate to areas of europe........thanks to genocide. thats just in europe and 1 religious race, plenty more in the same period of WW2.

 

Dont people realise death and war isnt any higher now than ever before, its just reported more openly and 24/7 across multiple mediums.

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29 minutes ago, jjkusaf said:

Sorry, I thought it was kind of common knowledge ... the reason behind why the US and others boycotted the '80 Olympics ... and in turn why the Soviet Union and others boycotted the '84 Olympics.  Since you are apparently unaware of the reasoning .... sources per your request ...

 

Reasons why the US boycotted the '80 Olympics

Reasons why the Soviet Union boycotted the '84 Olympics

I ask you for a source on this

 

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No one asked you

The souces I was talking about are mine. Unless I post a source it should be considered my Opinion.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

8 minutes ago, Gary7 said:

I ask you for a source on this

 

The souces I was talking about are mine. Unless I post a source it should be considered my Opinion.

Well...did anyone ... ask you?  

 

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1 minute ago, jjkusaf said:

Well...did anyone ... ask you?  

 

Since this is an open forum , no  one has to ask me anything/

[ANON86364]

2 hours ago, Mirumir said:

The gay community is doing alright in Russia. Thank you for your concerns. 

 

The only difference being from the West is that, in Russia, you can't legally register your gay marriage. Which is why many gay couples went abroad, did a ceremony, and no one arrested them on the way back.

 

They've been living happily ever after.

#freepussyriot

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34 minutes ago, Bryan R. said:

#freepussyriot

They served their sentence and are now free.

 

Do you support hooliganism and/or religious-based crimes of hatred?

[ANON86364]

Oh no not a smoke bomb on stage! Oh no not a "punk prayer service"! Oh no not "Putin Zassal"!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Riot

 

Putin Signs Anti-Gay Bill Into Law

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20130630/181970032/Putin-Signs-Anti-Gay-Bill-Into-Law.html

 

Get real, Russia has been oppressing gays and deserved the criticism they got at the Sochi Olympics.

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On 6/25/2016 at 11:12 PM, Bryan R. said:

Oh no not a smoke bomb on stage! Oh no not a "punk prayer service"! Oh no not "Putin Zassal"!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Riot

Wasn't just a stage, but a stage inside the main Russian church.

 

Go ahead and try to do the same at your local cathedral. Should be fun to watch. So please make the arrangements to have someone film it. 

 

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Putin Signs Anti-Gay Bill Into Law

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20130630/181970032/Putin-Signs-Anti-Gay-Bill-Into-Law.html

 

Get real, Russia has been oppressing gays and deserved the criticism they got at the Sochi Olympics.

 

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President Vladimir Putin has signed into law a bill banning the promotion of “non-traditional sexual relations” toward minors, Russia’s official website of legal information said on Sunday.

 

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Get real, Russia has been oppressing gays

You are far more likely to get shot by a trigger-happy cop in the U.S. than to get attacked in Russia if you were gay.