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By Hamid Ganji · Posted
Why it's almost impossible to produce a smartphone in the United States by Hamid Ganji If you look at the back of some Apple products, you can see the famous phrase “Designed by Apple in California, Assembled in China.” This phrase appears on products from one of the largest smartphone brands in the United States. These products are designed in the U.S., but their manufacturing takes place in China, India, Vietnam, or even Brazil. But why can’t Apple, as one of the largest American tech companies, produce its iPhones on U.S. soil? The idea for this topic came to me after the Trump Foundation launched a smartphone called the T1 and claimed that it was designed and built with American values in mind. However, this claim did not last long, as it was revealed that Trump’s phone was actually a rebranded HTC U24 Pro, with only a gold case and minor internal component changes. You see? Even a phone that is supposed to represent American values is manufactured in China. With a gross domestic product (GDP) exceeding $32 trillion, the United States is currently the world’s largest economy, while China ranks second with around $20 trillion. On the other hand, the United States is by a wide margin the global leader in various technological fields, and American companies spend hundreds of billions of dollars annually on research and development. From Apple and Google to Microsoft, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and others, American tech and industrial giants lead their foreign competitors in many sectors. The United States also has no shortage of smartphone brands. Apple, Google, and Motorola are among the major brands in the smartphone market, collectively holding a significant share. However, the vast majority of their products are manufactured outside the United States. So why is it that the world’s largest economy, home to the most advanced technology companies and industrial powers, cannot produce a smartphone on its own soil? Let’s explore this question together. Even threats to impose tariffs won’t work After Trump entered the White House as the 47th President of the United States, his administration adopted strict tariff policies. One of these policies was the imposition of a 25% tariff on smartphones manufactured outside the United States. Trump said he “had a little problem” with Apple CEO Tim Cook over producing smartphones outside the U.S. So he thought that threatening a 25% tax on imported phones might force Apple to bring manufacturing back to the United States. “I have long ago informed Tim Cook of Apple that I expect their iPhones that will be sold in the United States of America will be manufactured and built in the United States, not India, or anyplace else,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. Image via The White House Although Apple currently manufactures some of the iPhone’s chips in the United States with TSMC's help, it still shows no willingness to shift full iPhone production to the country. At the time, renowned Apple supply chain analyst Ming-Chi Kuo wrote on X, “In terms of profitability, it’s way better for Apple to take the hit of a 25% tariff on iPhones sold in the US market than to move iPhone assembly lines back to the US.” However, manufacturing a smartphone in the United States is not as easy as it might seem, and many technical and economic barriers are involved. The lack of necessary manufacturing hubs There is a clear reason why many companies prefer to manufacture their products in China. China has established itself as the main global manufacturing hub for international companies, and over the past few decades, large contract manufacturers have emerged there, allowing companies like Apple to outsource production. One such example is Foxconn, which also manufactures some Apple products in India. Building the infrastructure required to produce smartphones in the United States would require tens of billions of dollars in new investment. Factories would need to be built, essential manufacturing equipment would have to be installed, and, most importantly, a skilled workforce capable of operating these systems would need to be recruited and trained. The United States currently lacks the core infrastructure needed to manufacture smartphones, and for this reason, many companies prefer to outsource production to Chinese contractors rather than spend tens of billions of dollars to build that infrastructure, which is significantly more economically efficient. Additionally, building such infrastructure in the United States could take up to a decade, ultimately leading to a significant increase in the product's final price for consumers. Shortage of trained labor in the U.S. compared to China Decades of serving as a global manufacturing hub have allowed China to build a massive talent pool in the production sector that is almost unmatched worldwide. Today, if a company chooses to manufacture its products in China, it can be confident that the workers involved in production have years of experience in their respective roles and are capable of producing high-quality goods with minimal errors. Even if we assume that tens of billions of dollars were invested in building smartphone manufacturing infrastructure in the United States, finding skilled workers would remain highly challenging. Apple CEO Tim Cook visiting the iPhone 6 assembly line in China in 2014. Image: Tim Cook on X In a 2015 interview on CBS’s 60 Minutes, Tim Cook said the main reason Apple isn’t producing in the US is a lack of skills. "China put an enormous focus on manufacturing, in what you and I would call vocational kind of skills. The US over time began to stop having as many vocational kinds of skills. I mean you could take every tool and die maker in the United States and probably put them in the room that we're currently sitting in. In China you would have to have multiple football fields,” Cook said. Also, in 2017, at the Fortune Global Forum in Guangzhou, Cook once again emphasized the importance of highly skilled Chinese workers. “China has moved into very advanced manufacturing, so you find in China the intersection of craftsman kind of skill, and sophisticated robotics and the computer science world. That intersection, which is very rare to find anywhere, that kind of skill, is very important to our business because of the precision and quality level that we like. The thing that most people focus on if they’re a foreigner coming to China is the size of the market, and obviously, it’s the biggest market in the world in so many areas. But for us, the number one attraction is the quality of the people,” Apple CEO said. Higher labor costs in the United States Producing almost any product in the United States is more expensive than in many other countries, and one of the main reasons is the higher cost of labor in the U.S. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, median weekly earnings of full-time workers in the United States were $1,235 in the first quarter of 2026. Meanwhile, the average annual salary in China's private sector in 2025 was RMB 71,590 (US$9,961). In many parts of the world, the weekly wage of an American worker is equivalent to several months of income. Another important factor to consider is that in the United States, the workforce capable of working on a smartphone assembly line is highly specialized and therefore commands higher-than-average wages. According to an estimate by Bank of America, producing an iPhone in the U.S. is technically possible, but “iPhone cost can increase 25% purely on higher labor cost in the U.S.” However, this 25% increase applies only if final assembly is performed in the United States while components are still sourced from China or elsewhere. In this case, the price of a base iPhone would rise from $799 to around $1,000. But in another scenario, if Apple were to produce the required components for the iPhone within the United States, production costs could increase by more than 90%. Trump’s dream for a “Made in the USA” iPhone might never come true In a free-market capitalist economy, one of the primary responsibilities of any CEO is to maximize profit. Using Apple as an example, Tim Cook’s role is to maximize the company’s profits so that it can fund research and development for new products and invest in areas such as artificial intelligence, while also keeping shareholders satisfied. Therefore, it is entirely understandable that Apple would choose not to bring its manufacturing back to the United States and instead keep production in countries where labor is cheaper, and products can be manufactured at a lower cost, thereby maximizing its profit margins. What is your opinion about manufacturing smartphones in the United States? If you are an American citizen, would you be willing to pay hundreds of dollars more for a smartphone made domestically in the USA? Let us know in the comments. -
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Will test it, thanks! -
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By +Edouard · Posted
Cheers everyone for the replies. It's been very useful. 👍 -
By Steven P. · Posted
Compared to the 7735HS it is around 25-30% slower in multi-threaded tasks (according to Google search) I did a review of the 7735HS Beelink SER6 Max in 2023, but thinking about it, it's not comparable to the 7730U. For the example you gave about how it will be used, the 7730U is actually an excellent choice for its power and battery efficiency.
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TL; DR: Google wants a way to separate from Java, and stop the mad lawsuits that it has been haunted over the years. They know that by pushing JavaScript, they could slowly phase out the programming language while taking advantage from their cloud services they’ve started providing (Firebase). Apple does not like that, because it could affect one of its most precious revenue streams, the Apple Store. Microsoft supports this, as they have Azure and is already allowing Web Apps to be part of their store.
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I know many of you are not web developers. And some of you who are, may or may not have heard about a recent term called Progressive Web Apps (PWA). Progressive Web Apps is a term Google coined back at 2015 (I’ve lost the video which I saw it). In short, it’s a web application (website) that can do the following:
- Instant Loading
- “Add to Home Screen”. Yup, you can add your web site to the Android home screen page.
- Push Notifications
- Fast
- HTTPS
- Responsive.
More here.
There is something that started to smell fishy a week ago. Last week, Google had its Progressive Web App Summit (which was rebranded a couple of months ago from Google Developer Summit). In there, they started evangelizing the concept of Progressive Web Apps. They started unleashing a myriad of information and facts: from “how to build it” to how much “conversion rate users had” when using a PWA. They even presented an application from Konga, Nigeria (African Country) that showcased all these improvements. The questions are… Why Konga? Why now? Why not before?
We publicly saw most of the browser vendors assisting to the event… except one, Safari (Apple). Although they are famous for not attending any conferences, the reason behind it makes me wonder a lot. After giving it some thought and remembering a couple of online posts, it became clear. The reason why Apple does not like to go to web events and the reason why Google is pushing PWA is the following:
Google has been having serious problem with Android. Or to be more precise, with Java. They are really tired of the legal disputes they’ve been having with Oracle all this time. Fortunately, they managed to evade the near $9 billion dollars in damage that Java’s parent was trying to advocate. There has been rumors of Google trying to use Swift, now that it has become open source, as an alternative to Java. This would save Google billions in lawsuits and headaches. Nonetheless, such change could create anarchy in the development community (Android purists). Therefore, what could be an alternative to Google to phase out Java?
That’s right. The language of the metamorphosis, the almighty JavaScript. With the recent surge of NodeJS (2009+) and the humongous popularity that it’s been taking over the years, Google has acknowledged that people are investing more in this programming language (JS) because of its ability to play along with both Client and Server. They’ve seen how people use Native Script and React Native to build native Android and iOS apps using pure JavaScript. The evolution of TypeScript, Babel, and ES2015+ allows developers to write much more efficient and modular code than ever before.
Seeing this humongous advantage, more people would be adept to build their apps for the web. Seeing how chrome is pushing hardware APIs to JS, and how Push Notifications have arrived, there will be little reason in the future for people to build natively.
However, there’s a small but very important detail with this approach, and this is where Apple comes in. Over the last 5 – 6 years, web sites have started to become more powerful. They are very close to mimic a native application in terms of power and capabilities. Now, with the possibility of installing an app into your home screen, this makes the native-web gap smaller. This could potentially allow many developers/companies to overcome the revenue stream of the Application Stores (70-30) and opt-in to make a full-fledge web app to save money and time.
Google has never made big money with it (more apps are free, anyways). In fact, Apple, seeing less downloads than its competitor, has a higher revenue stream. Google has started to make money from their cloud services, especially Firebase, after being integrated into a unified platform, it makes it more attractive for developers to use it. Microsoft, is in the same wagon. It was the first to allow true Web Applications into its store. They have the whole Azure infrastructure that even native iOS and Android applications use anyways for RESTful services.
On the other hand, Apple’s $6 Billion revenue could be jeopardized by this approach. They don’t have any specialized cloud services as Google or Microsoft have, and allowing people to install a full-fledge application could mean lost revenue.
In conclusion, the main reason why Google is pushing PWA is to phase out Java, and the way they’re doing it is by beefing up JavaScript to new capabilities. People are used to the programming language, and NodeJS has reiterated its purpose. Apple does not want to see this happening, because this would mean that more and more people would start building Web Applications instead. Hence, they would be losing revenue stream from their App Store. Microsoft, does not care, since they have Azure which mobile apps use anyways.
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