Yogurth Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 "Microsoft has begun to share telemetry data collected from computers running Windows 10 with a third-party company, according to reports today. Security firm FireEye will have access to data from "every" Windows 10 device as part of a new partnership. The policy change was reported by Australian news site ARN yesterday." ...and so it begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 well, i did said before collecting & storing the telemetry data aren't free... and Microsoft want profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) So they will be sharing windows defender telemetry data? The same service in versions of Windows other than 10, once called Security Essentials? Do you understand it is for Windows Defender Advanced Threat Protection ? I get the desire for sensationalism but this data collection can be turned off and the concern has nothing to do with windows 10 specifically past that is what can use the enhanced protection. It is a bigger issue than any one version of an OS. Any OS using Defender or MSE is a data source. I know this sounds really scary folks, but if you peel away the layers of media sensationalism, it's suddenly not quite as bad as it seems. Unless someone would care to point out where it deals with anything other than data collected by Defender? I know that is what people are assuming but I saw no mention of it. Sharing telemetry != all data collected by Windows 10. Circaflex 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurth Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 6 hours ago, adrynalyne said: So they will be sharing windows defender telemetry data? The same service in versions of Windows other than 10, once called Security Essentials? Do you understand it is for Windows Defender Advanced Threat Protection ? I get the desire for sensationalism but this data collection can be turned off and the concern has nothing to do with windows 10 specifically past that is what can use the enhanced protection. It is a bigger issue than any one version of an OS. Any OS using Defender or MSE is a data source. I know this sounds really scary folks, but if you peel away the layers of media sensationalism, it's suddenly not quite as bad as it seems. Unless someone would care to point out where it deals with anything other than data collected by Defender? I know that is what people are assuming but I saw no mention of it. Sharing telemetry != all data collected by Windows 10. It i the policy change that worries me, not Windows defender data, though I have no idea what Windows defender sends home as it is able to sift through contents of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Yogurth said: It i the policy change that worries me, not Windows defender data, though I have no idea what Windows defender sends home as it is able to sift through contents of everything. I don't think there is a policy change at all. I think it is Defender specific telemetry and it kinda makes sense to share it with the other company considering what they are doing. Time will tell I guess. I wish you would have linked the original article instead of the biased source with an apparent agenda. It changes the dynamic for discussion. This thread will likely devolve to troll posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomoko Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) "It remains unclarified whether the entire system's telemetry will be available or just logs from Windows Defender." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starman3344 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 6 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: We aren't. That's because you've all been sucked in by Microsoft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starman3344 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, Torolol said: well, i did said before collecting & storing the telemetry data aren't free... and Microsoft want profits. Hey bud, u don't get nothing for free, espically from micro$oft, I knew there had to be a catch, spying its called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, starman3344 said: That's because you've all been sucked in by Microsoft No, I just happen to have respect for all developers and do not believe in piracy. If you can't afford something, use an alternative. +Raphaël G. 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starman3344 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: No, I just happen to have respect for developers and do not believe in piracy. If you can't afford something, use an alternative. Alternative like...actually, I've got a legit os but I used shut up 10 to disable the data collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 minute ago, starman3344 said: Alternative like GNU/Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielx64 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, starman3344 said: Alternative like...actually, I've got a legit os but I used shut up 10 to disable the data collection MacOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Danielx64 said: MacOS If he can't afford windows 10, I'm not sure that is viable. 12 minutes ago, starman3344 said: Alternative like...actually, I've got a legit os but I used shut up 10 to disable the data collection Nice stealth edit. So so you have a legit OS but recommend others pirate it? You don't make sense. Using a telemetry blocking program was never part of what I was saying to you. Danielx64 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielx64 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: Nice stealth edit. Yup that guy been busted I even have the email too adrynalyne 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurth Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, adrynalyne said: I don't think there is a policy change at all. I think it is Defender specific telemetry and it kinda makes sense to share it with the other company considering what they are doing. Time will tell I guess. I wish you would have linked the original article instead of the biased source with an apparent agenda. It changes the dynamic for discussion. This thread will likely devolve to troll posts. This was the best article I found on the subject, as imho, it is completely unbiased, just connects previously available bits of information into one well written article. On a side note I expect quite few security software vendors going bananas over FireEye deal, not just Kaspersky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yogurth said: This was the best article I found on the subject, as imho, it is completely unbiased, just connects previously available bits of information into one well written article. On a side note I expect quite few security software vendors going bananas over FireEye deal, not just Kaspersky. It is definitely not unbiased. Read the source they credited. http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/610583/can-fireeye-change-cyber-security-stakes-through-microsoft-partnership/ It paints a very different story. What you linked draws a lot of conclusions without having all the details. I'm not blaming you; it is the typical media spin. When you trace back the sources, you get to see just how much they draw their own conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurth Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 44 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: It is definitely not unbiased. Read the source they credited. http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/610583/can-fireeye-change-cyber-security-stakes-through-microsoft-partnership/ It paints a very different story. That is just the news, the fore mentioned is an article based on the news and previous information related to the subject, like I said. The journalist sat down and thought through what it actually means and how it reflects on Windows 10 policy and data sharing. If You think it means something else please write it down. Edited November 25, 2016 by Yogurth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yogurth said: That is just the news, the fore mentioned is an article based on the new and previous information related to the subject, like I said. The journalist sat down and thought through what it actually means and how it reflects on Windows 10 policy and data sharing. If You think it means something else please write it down. I already said what I felt it means above, why type it out again? By the way, you just defined bias. The journalist is calling it something he/she thinks it is. Is it an op-ed piece? If. It not then conclusions (especially ones with partial data) have no place in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurth Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 minute ago, adrynalyne said: I already said what I felt it means above, why type it out again? By the way, you just defined bias. The journalist is calling it something he/she thinks it is. Is it an op-ed piece? If. It not then conclusions have no place in it. It is called an opinion, not bias. He has no agenda in his article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Yogurth said: It is called an opinion, not bias. He has no agenda in his article. Everyone has an agenda with an opinion piece. It wouldn't be an opinion piece if they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurth Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: Everyone has an agenda with an opinion piece. It wouldn't be an opinion piece if they didn't. This should help You in discerning the opinion vs bias. https://bconline.broward.edu/shared/CollegeReadiness/Reading/U08_FactOpBias/U08_FactOpBias_print.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Yogurth said: This should help You in discerning the opinion vs bias. https://bconline.broward.edu/shared/CollegeReadiness/Reading/U08_FactOpBias/U08_FactOpBias_print.html I'm not going to argue with you any further. It is a biased article and that is all there is to it. Not agreeing is your prerogative, but doesn't change the truth of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurth Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: I'm not going to argue with you any further. It is a biased article and that is all there is to it. Not agreeing is your prerogative, but doesn't change the truth of it. You crack me up i do agree however that our discussion leads to no conclusion and thus is utterly unimportant to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starman3344 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 4 hours ago, adrynalyne said: GNU/Linux. Yeah, they really work with digital cameras and even my ipad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starman3344 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 4 hours ago, Danielx64 said: MacOS Desktop expensive, can't be upgraded easily. If monitor fails you have to take the whole computer in for repairs and can't just replace monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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