New Ryzen Build

[ramesees]

Hi

 

Been thinking about changing my PC for a while now and would appreciate some input on the rig I'm considering purchasing.

 

Any and all input welcome.

 

Current PC is 6 years old, i5 2500k, 16GB DDR3 RAM, XFX 6870 1GB.

Main use case will be development and gaming and media consumption.

 

Thanks.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£256.74 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£111.97 @ Box Limited) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£307.06 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£209.99 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£77.77 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB AMP! Extreme Video Card  (£419.97 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: Corsair - 780T ATX Full Tower Case  (£149.99 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: Corsair - HX Platinum 750W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£131.38 @ BT Shop) 
Total: £1664.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-15 21:34 BST+0100

[+Warwagon MVC]

So what are the specs of your current computer?

[ramesees]

Updated the OP with details.

 

i5 2500k

16GB DDR3 RAM

XFX 6870 1GB

[Slugsie]

Nice spec you got going there. Only thing *I* would change is to go for 2x16GB RAM rather than 4x8GBs. Reason being that if you decide to upgrade in future you just stick some more RAM in without having to throw anything away. Given the mobo maxes out at 64GB, if you go with 8s you'd have to throw them away to get there. So an extra £35-£90 now (depending on memory speed) could save you hundreds in the future.

[ramesees]

8 minutes ago, Slugsie said:

Nice spec you got going there. Only thing *I* would change is to go for 2x16GB RAM rather than 4x8GBs. Reason being that if you decide to upgrade in future you just stick some more RAM in without having to throw anything away. Given the mobo maxes out at 64GB, if you go with 8s you'd have to throw them away to get there. So an extra £35-£90 now (depending on memory speed) could save you hundreds in the future.

Switched out to 2x16GB and it worked out cheaper (couldnt get the sticks in red as before - only in black)

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£256.74 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£111.97 @ Box Limited) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£283.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£209.99 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£77.77 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB AMP! Extreme Video Card  (£419.97 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: Corsair - 780T ATX Full Tower Case  (£149.99 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: Corsair - HX Platinum 750W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£131.38 @ BT Shop) 
Total: £1641.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-15 22:05 BST+0100

[Mockingbird]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£256.74 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£84.47 @ Novatech) 
Memory: *Team - Vulcan 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£222.49 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Storage: *Western Digital - Blue 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£131.76 @ Ebuyer) 
Storage: *Toshiba - 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£72.00 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: *Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card  (£566.73 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  (£79.42 @ Box Limited) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£70.47 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1484.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-15 22:20 BST+0100

[ramesees]

Thanks @Mockingbirdfor the case and PSU suggestion.

 

I was able to swap those in and it got me a better GPU - the Zotac 1080 AMP! Extreme instead of the 1070.

Couldnt change the SSD though - the speed of the 960 EVO is just too much to ignore

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£256.74 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£111.97 @ Box Limited) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£283.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£209.99 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£77.77 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB AMP! Extreme Video Card  (£559.90 @ Alza) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  (£79.42 @ Box Limited) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£88.24 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1667.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-15 23:22 BST+0100

[Dinggus]

I'm going to follow this.

 

Just curious, what games do you plan on playing that your current setup can't handle?

[Mockingbird]

1 hour ago, ramesees said:

Thanks @Mockingbirdfor the case and PSU suggestion.

 

I was able to swap those in and it got me a better GPU - the Zotac 1080 AMP! Extreme instead of the 1070.

Couldnt change the SSD though - the speed of the 960 EVO is just too much to ignore

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£256.74 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£111.97 @ Box Limited) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£283.20 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£209.99 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£77.77 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB AMP! Extreme Video Card  (£559.90 @ Alza) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  (£79.42 @ Box Limited) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£88.24 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1667.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-15 23:22 BST+0100

The one I put is the Geforce GTX 1080 Ti.

 

I am not sure why you need an X370 motherboard nor a much more expensive memory kit.

 

Also, unless you are doing 4K video editing, you might not notice any differences between the SSDs at all.

[Mockingbird]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£256.74 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£84.47 @ Novatech) 
Memory: *Team - Vulcan 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£222.49 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£209.99 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£77.77 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: *Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card  (£566.73 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  (£79.42 @ Box Limited) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£87.17 @ Ebuyer) 
Total: £1584.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-16 01:25 BST+0100

[Elliot B.]

You said you'll be using it to game.

 

Even an older i7-6700K kills all Ryzen CPUs (maybe not the Threadrippers) in gaming.

[Mockingbird]

3 hours ago, Elliot B. said:

You said you'll be using it to game.

 

Even an older i7-6700K kills all Ryzen CPUs (maybe not the Threadrippers) in gaming.

 

Of cause, that would be assuming that he don't care about anything else but gaming.

 

I am willing to trade a few FPS.

[seeprime]

3 hours ago, Elliot B. said:

You said you'll be using it to game.

 

Even an older i7-6700K kills all Ryzen CPUs (maybe not the Threadrippers) in gaming.

I think you should look at this test comparison with multiple games of i7-7700K to Ryzen 5 1600. Updated drivers, and game optimizations, make quite a difference. https://www.techspot.com/review/1490-ryzen-vs-core-i7-vega-64-geforce-1080/

[Mockingbird]

1 hour ago, seeprime said:

I think you should look at this test comparison with multiple games of i7-7700K to Ryzen 5 1600. Updated drivers, and game optimizations, make quite a difference. https://www.techspot.com/review/1490-ryzen-vs-core-i7-vega-64-geforce-1080/

Older games definitely need to be patched for Ryzen.

 

For example, Rise of the Tomb Raider got 31% FPS increase in a single patch.

[Noir Angel]

On 16/09/2017 at 1:52 AM, Elliot B. said:

You said you'll be using it to game.

 

Even an older i7-6700K kills all Ryzen CPUs (maybe not the Threadrippers) in gaming.

It hardly "kills" Ryzen parts in gaming, in fact unless the gamer is in the 1% of people that play above 100HZ, they aren't going to notice a shred of difference. I upgraded from a 2700K to a 1700X and it handles my gaming needs just fine.

[Circaflex]

On 9/15/2017 at 10:49 PM, Mockingbird said:

Older games definitely need to be patched for Ryzen.

 

For example, Rise of the Tomb Raider got 31% FPS increase in a single patch.

Patched or not patched i would still take an intel cpu over amd. AMD products always require a patch to catch up to performance, or patches at a later date to show the full potential. Theyve done it for years with their GPUs and now with Ryzen. So do we wait on the game developer to spend time and resources to patch the game or will AMD include said patches in their drivers?

[Mockingbird]

1 hour ago, Circaflex said:

Patched or not patched i would still take an intel cpu over amd. AMD products always require a patch to catch up to performance, or patches at a later date to show the full potential. Theyve done it for years with their GPUs and now with Ryzen. So do we wait on the game developer to spend time and resources to patch the game or will AMD include said patches in their drivers?

That makes no sense.

 

Since when were there drivers for processors?

[adrynalyne]

12 minutes ago, Mockingbird said:

That makes no sense.

 

Since when were there drivers for processors?

What do you think a microcode update is when its not included in the BIOS/UEFI firmware?

[Circaflex]

19 hours ago, Mockingbird said:

That makes no sense.

 

Since when were there drivers for processors?

What exactly doesn't make sense?

[Mockingbird]

3 hours ago, Circaflex said:

What exactly doesn't make sense?

The part where you were blaming AMD for supposedly not releasing "patches" for the processors.

 

[pixelpixel]

Surely all chips are the same......... maybe life is too short, so love the one you got.

[Mockingbird]

17 minutes ago, pixelpixel said:

Surely all chips are the same......... maybe life is too short, so love the one you got.

[never mind]

[Noir Angel]

Most new CPU architectures need software to catch up with them, it took a fair amount of time for it to catch up with quads. Intel have been made to look good by the fact that it's been years since they had any real competition, but they haven't actually produced anything innovative since the release of Sandy Bridge.

Ryzen CPUs are far from slow, the only real issue was that because the launch schedule was somewhat compressed motherboards came out of the box a bit immature, and the platform's support for non-standard memory setups (above 2666) was a bit lacking, the CPUs were never "slow". The issues in gaming simply stem from the 2 core complex design, the latency penalty of migrating a process from one core complex to the other is bound to have a bigger impact on games, but anything coded to take advantage of NUMA processors will perform just fine on Ryzen. And the same goes for Intel, if they drastically re-arcitecture their processors software would have to be updated to take advantage as well. Even out of the box gaming performance was fine, games are simply being updated to take even better advantage of the raw CPU power on offer.

The CPU I have was a steal at £390. It's not a slow gaming CPU by any means, and its heavy lifting performance is incredible.

[LaP]

On 15/09/2017 at 8:52 PM, Elliot B. said:

You said you'll be using it to game.

 

Even an older i7-6700K kills all Ryzen CPUs (maybe not the Threadrippers) in gaming.

These days when it comes to cpu there no such thing as kill. Unless you consider having 200 fps at 1080p in an old games instead of 150 relevant. Or maybe if you aim for 4k at a rock solid 60 fps it might help you push the necessary last frame or two but you'll likely by gpu limited at this resolution. Outside of those use cases any of the new Ryzen5 or Core i5 cpus will do the job.

 

Even my old Core i5 750 can still play new games at 1080p medium settings (and it looks just as good as Xbox one or PS4). To be honest my old core i5 performs  better in games than applications these days. It's slower while browsing the web without adblock than while playing games. Yeah you read it right adds on the web slow down my core i5 750 more than gaming at 1080p. Games are made with console in mind and consoles have weak cpus. GPU is the name of the game these days.

 

I'll upgrade my core i5 750 soon not because i can't game on it, I'll upgrade it cause it's slow as hell for anything else than gaming like compiling big projects or working with big image or video files. Or browsing the web ... Ryzen cpus are very good option right now if you do anything else than gaming with your computer. They are great and cheap workstation cpus and more than good enough for some casual gaming 5-10 hours a week.

[spaceelf]

As to the OP, I'd recommend a 1600X over a 1700 unless you're a streamer, heavy multitasker or compile stuff a lot.  You can check some benchmarks but the higher clock easily makes it outperform the 1700 in games.