New build i7 7820X

[Digitalfox]

Hi guys...

 

A couple of questions, I'm quite out of the loop when it comes to new hardware.

 

I've decided that CPU is the i7 7820x, my mind is set.

 

Also for now 16GB DDR4 will do...

 

I'll be running at least a m2 drive for c: and for extra storage 1 or 2 SDD + 1 or 2 HDD, d: e: f: etc...

 

So the GPU is most likely a 1080ti... But still researching if I wait for Volta GPU (I now own a old Asus GTX570)..

 

 

So what PSU power should I go for? 850W? more?

 

 

The m2 I think a 250GB is enough, what do you guys recommend? Samsung Evo, is that good (really out of the loop) ?

 

 

I'm not overclocking, so what motherboard do you guys recommended for this CPU?

 

 

Memory, is 2 sticks of 8GB Kingston 2666 good?

 

 

Thanks

 

[Mindovermaster Moderator]

https://pcpartpicker.com/

 

Why the i7, though? What will you be doing with it? Budget?

[Mockingbird]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7820X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($574.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake - Floe Riing RGB 280 TT Premium Edition 63.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($159.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X299-DELUXE ATX LGA2066 Motherboard  ($463.04 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($197.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($116.98 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Toshiba - X300 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($124.99 @ Other World Computing) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 HYBRID GAMING Video Card  ($799.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($169.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($139.49 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $2747.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-30 17:53 EDT-0400

 

[Digitalfox]

1 hour ago, Mindovermaster said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/

 

Why the i7, though? What will you be doing with it? Budget?

 

Well some gaming (witcher, skyrim, etc...), 2 VM's running, some video editing and also File server for the rest of the house.

 

Without GPU my budget around 1500€

[Digitalfox]

3 minutes ago, Mockingbird said:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7820X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($574.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake - Floe Riing RGB 280 TT Premium Edition 63.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($159.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X299-DELUXE ATX LGA2066 Motherboard  ($463.04 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($197.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($116.98 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Toshiba - X300 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($124.99 @ Other World Computing) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 HYBRID GAMING Video Card  ($799.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($169.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($139.49 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $2747.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-30 17:53 EDT-0400

 

 

The case I have still looks great, so I'll try to skip the case.

Cooler? Doesn't the CPU already comes with a standard one? I'm not overclocking does it still needs better cooling?

I still have some HDD around so, I'll use those ones for extra storage for now..

Motherboard, isn't it too much dedicated to overclocking?

 

Thank you Mockingbird, it helps me a lot that list

[Mockingbird]

9 minutes ago, Digitalfox said:

 

The case I have still looks great, so I'll try to skip the case.

Cooler? Doesn't the CPU already comes with a standard one? I'm not overclocking does it still needs better cooling?

I still have some HDD around so, I'll use those ones for extra storage for now..

Motherboard, isn't it too much dedicated to overclocking?

 

Thank you Mockingbird, it helps me a lot that list

Processor don't come with cooler.

 

Skylake-X runs hot, so you need liquid cooler.

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7820X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  (€544.85 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake - Water 3.0 Riing RGB 240 40.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€149.90 @ Caseking) 
Motherboard: MSI - X299 RAIDER ATX LGA2066 Motherboard  (€220.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  (€193.62 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€117.10 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  (€749.99 @ ARLT) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€145.75 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €2122.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-01 00:09 CEST+0200

 

[xendrome]

11 minutes ago, Digitalfox said:

 

The case I have still looks great, so I'll try to skip the case.

Cooler? Doesn't the CPU already comes with a standard one? I'm not overclocking does it still needs better cooling?

You can get away with this - http://a.co/5LOLUa0

[Mockingbird]

16 minutes ago, xendrome said:

You can get away with this - http://a.co/5LOLUa0

Only if he wants his computer to experience a catastrophic failure.

 

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO would be okay for a more power efficient processor like a Ryzen 7 1700X/1800X

 

Edited September 30, 2017 by Mockingbird

[xendrome]

The CPU can run just fine on air cooling as long as you don't cheap out and he isn't overclocking. Plus even if it did overheat it isn't going to have a "Catastrophic" failure. The CPU will just throttle. Plus the graphic above is likely on full load running Prime95, which will obviously push the wattage/temps way past any normal usage, even gaming/rendering.

 

Even on reviews like here - https://www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-skylakex-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested/8

 

They used air-cooling and it was just fine.

 

EDIT: As expected I found the source of your graphic, it was Prime95 - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-7820x-skylake-x,5127-8.html

Edited September 30, 2017 by xendrome

[Mockingbird]

16 minutes ago, xendrome said:

The CPU can run just fine on air cooling as long as you don't cheap out. Plus even if it did overheat it isn't going to have a "Catastrophic" failure. The CPU will just throttle. Plus the graphic above is likely on full load running Prime95, which will obviously push the wattage/temps way past any normal usage, even gaming/rendering.

 

Even on reviews like here - https://www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-skylakex-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested/8

 

They used air-cooling and it was just fine.

If he is using a power efficient processor like a Ryzen 7 1700X/1800X, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO would be fine.

 

And yes, using a $20 air cooler is considered cheaping out.

[Mockingbird]

OP, I also want to suggest a solution that is not only cheaper, but also runs cooler and uses less power.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  (€322.95 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (€38.72 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€94.82 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€144.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€117.10 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  (€749.99 @ ARLT) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€87.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €1556.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-01 00:58 CEST+0200

[Circaflex]

1 hour ago, Mockingbird said:

Only if he wants his computer to experience a catastrophic failure.

 

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO would be okay for a more power efficient processor like a Ryzen 7 1700X/1800X

 

 

Classic case of cherry picking an image; Prime95 stresses the CPU more so than any user task will Sean and you know this.

[Mockingbird]

5 minutes ago, Circaflex said:

Classic case of cherry picking an image; Prime95 stresses the CPU more so than any user task will Sean and you know this.

What's your name, Circaflex?

[Jim K Global Moderator]

Before it starts ... stop.    Please assist the OP ... knowing each other's name probably isn't.

 

Thank you.

[AeonicVision]

I'd recommend the ASUS ROG Strix x299 board.

The ASRock boards have great VRMs, but terrible cooling to go on them.

MSI boards have awful VRMs and awful cooling, but OC the best out of the box.

The ASUS boards seem to have the best balance, and I'm partial to their BIOS/UEFI layout.

 

The TUF Mark I has better VRMs than the Strix, and cools them better too, UNLESS you have airflow over the VRM heatsink.  If so, the Strix is roughly just as good.

The Prime Deluxe has better VRMs and sameish heatsink as the Strix, but not sure there's that vast of a difference unless you're really pushing your OC.

 

Went with the Prime Deluxe myself, but the Strix seems more than good enough.

 

You say you're not overclocking, but if you get a decent cooler, I'd recommend it.  The performance is fantastic if so.  Went with a Fractal Design Celsius S36 myself, I didn't want to need to use software to manage it.

[adrynalyne]

4 hours ago, Mockingbird said:

Processor don't come with cooler.

 

Skylake-X runs hot, so you need liquid cooler.

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7820X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  (€544.85 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake - Water 3.0 Riing RGB 240 40.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€149.90 @ Caseking) 
Motherboard: MSI - X299 RAIDER ATX LGA2066 Motherboard  (€220.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  (€193.62 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€117.10 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  (€749.99 @ ARLT) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€145.75 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €2122.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-01 00:09 CEST+0200

 

You do NOT need a liquid cooler for skylake-x. Source: we have two 10 core workstations at work on air cooling. 

[Mockingbird]

27 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

You do NOT need a liquid cooler for skylake-x. Source: we have two 10 core workstations at work on air cooling. 

Okay, maybe it's not "required".

 

Out there somewhere, somebody probably has the 18-cores Core i9-7980XE running air

 

...but it's recommended

[adrynalyne]

35 minutes ago, Mockingbird said:

Okay, maybe it's not "required".

 

Out there somewhere, somebody probably has the 18-cores Core i9-7980XE running air

 

...but it's recommended

By who? You?

[Mockingbird]

2 hours ago, adrynalyne said:

By who? You?

Intel recommends liquid cooling for Skylake-X even at stock clock.

 

Whoever build workstations at your workplace don't have a clue.

Edited October 1, 2017 by Mockingbird

[adrynalyne]

10 hours ago, Mockingbird said:

Intel recommends liquid cooling for Skylake-X even at stock clock.

 

Whoever build workstations at your workplace don't have a clue.

Source? I would like to see Intel themselves reccomending it. 

 

They idle at mid to high 30s with the fan at 50%. Sounds like the builder had a clue after all.

 

Is this more of your “I read it on the Internet therefore it must be true” nonsense? I am giving you real world scenarios. What real world experience do you have with it?

 

 

 

[Mindovermaster Moderator]

10 hours ago, Mockingbird said:

Intel recommends liquid cooling for Skylake-X even at stock clock.

 

Whoever build workstations at your workplace don't have a clue.

From what I read online, Intel doesn't recommend it, 3rd party people do...

[Mockingbird]

4 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

Source? I would like to see Intel themselves reccomending it. 

 

They idle at mid to high 30s with the fan at 50%. Sounds like the builder had a clue after all.

 

Is this more of your “I read it on the Internet therefore it must be true” nonsense? I am giving you real world scenarios. What real world experience do you have with it?

 

 

 

Ars Technica: " Where Broadwell-E would work with a high-quality air cooler, Intel recommends liquid cooling for Skylake-X, even for operation at stock speeds."

 

ThePCEnthusiast: "Intel also recommends that these new processors be cooled using a liquid cooling solution."

 

HardwareZone: "As it turns out, Intel actually recommends at least a close-loop liquid cooler for Skylake-X, even if you’re just going to use it at stock speeds."

[adrynalyne]

Just now, Mockingbird said:

Ars Technica: " Where Broadwell-E would work with a high-quality air cooler, Intel recommends liquid cooling for Skylake-X, even for operation at stock speeds."

 

ThePCEnthusiast: "Intel also recommends that these new processors be cooled using a liquid cooling solution."

 

HardwareZone: "As it turns out, Intel actually recommends at least a close-loop liquid cooler for Skylake-X, even if you’re just going to use it at stock speeds."

Still no source from Intel. Keep trying. 

[Mindovermaster Moderator]

2 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

Still no source from Intel. Keep trying. 

Yes, those sources are from other sites, not intel directly.

[Mockingbird]

11 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

Still no source from Intel. Keep trying. 

 

9 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

Yes, those sources are from other sites, not intel directly.

Intel is not going to say outright, "You need liquid coolers" because it would offend partners that make air coolers (e.g. Noctua), but it's very telling that Intel tells review sites that it recommends using liquid coolers.