New Laptop

[Mindovermaster Global Moderator]

17 minutes ago, Mockingbird said:

Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC

Think you missed whole concept of this thread...

[Mindovermaster Global Moderator]

Is there a way I can not get a new system, but rather tone down my current system?

 

Keep almost everything I have, board/cpu/ram.

 

But update the GFX, PSU, Case, maybe?

 

I have heard of those less powerful SFX PSUs, anyone know anything about them?

 

And for GFX, 1050 or Ti or 1060? As I said above, I currently do not game. But ever if I wanted to, I'm not looking for high settings here.

 

As for cases, I like Fractal Design case, but is there something like it that has a smaller footprint? Good ventilation? Can can hold my radiator of my H75? can hold a full GFX card?

[Mindovermaster Global Moderator]

I've been looking at this case: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854066

 

And this PSU: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256202

(they say the PSU is made by Enhance)

[DevTech]

On 12/14/2017 at 9:28 PM, T3X4S said:

A friend just bought on the of i5 versions for their kid, and gave it to me to clean up & prep for XMAS.

I actually know nothing and TBH - wouldnt recommend anything from Dell that isnt a Latitude

In short - dont listen to me.  

Dell Precision series is always well built. Pretty much arguing how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin when comparing Dell Precision with HP ZBook and Lenovo Thinkpad P series. All of them are as good as it gets when configured right. It drives me nuts that all three manufacturers will have a low-end crappy LCD screen option on otherwise exemplary hardware. Lenovo has been the worst offender in that area. For Dell the buyer has to specify "UltraSharp with Premium Panel" (Dell's secret password for "not crap") and for HP, the spec is simply "DreamColor." For Lenovo, I don't know. The problem has been that these Workstations are often sourced by corporate purchasing departments who are usually oblivious to these non-standard LCD designations. I have often been tempted to grab one of these "old faithfull" units on Ebay only to see a set of perfect specs ruined by a 1366x768 TN panel!

 

On the consumer side, the Dell XPS series fits that premium build role.

 

Compared to Precision and XPS, Latitude models have lessor build quality and specs and are always overpriced, but of course most importantly they are NOT junk. But every business that buys Latitudes should strain like crazy to source a Precision or XPS.

 

[DevTech]

3 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

Is there a way I can not get a new system, but rather tone down my current system?

 

Keep almost everything I have, board/cpu/ram.

 

But update the GFX, PSU, Case, maybe?

 

I have heard of those less powerful SFX PSUs, anyone know anything about them?

 

And for GFX, 1050 or Ti or 1060? As I said above, I currently do not game. But ever if I wanted to, I'm not looking for high settings here.

 

As for cases, I like Fractal Design case, but is there something like it that has a smaller footprint? Good ventilation? Can can hold my radiator of my H75? can hold a full GFX card?

It is clear from various threads that you want something about your daily use computer to be smaller. I suspect you should really dig into what you want to achieve in terms of design objectives without visualizing any hardware solutions or budgets.

 

If you had unlimited funds, would an answer come immediately to mind?

 

Do you want to end up with a particular aesthetic?

 

Or just need more room on your desk?

 

Would the new Mac Pro All-in-ONe with 5K LCD and 18 core Xeon fit the aesthetic?

 

Or perhaps "Invisible Computing" where the computer is hidden in the wall or inside a custom desk?

 

 

 

 

[T3X4S]

6 minutes ago, DevTech said:

 

 

Or perhaps "Invisible Computing" where the computer is hidden in the wall or inside a custom desk?

 

 

 

 

Thats something I have been bouncing back & forth in my head recently.

In my office - the onlly thing visible is a keyboard, monitor and mouse.

I love the "clean aesthetic" - and something I am thinking of on my next build.

Problem is, I am also in the market for a new car, and like my car wishing, I cant make up my mind.

[DevTech]

12 minutes ago, T3X4S said:

Thats something I have been bouncing back & forth in my head recently.

In my office - the onlly thing visible is a keyboard, monitor and mouse.

I love the "clean aesthetic" - and something I am thinking of on my next build.

Problem is, I am also in the market for a new car, and like my car wishing, I cant make up my mind.

There are a lot of different design approaches one could consider. Different strokes...

 

I like Duct Tape Aesthetic where you screw all the components to a piece of plywood on the wall.

 

And Wall Of Monitors Aesthetic to get that military control room vibe,

 

And Room Jammed With Laptops And Monitors Everywhere Aesthetic like old Stargate Atlantis episodes...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DevTech]

7 hours ago, Mockingbird said:

Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Strix-GL702ZC-Ryzen-7-1700-Radeon-RX-580-Laptop-Review.247548.0.html

 

Interesting device.

 

Weak for gaming, very strong for many desktop workloads, high quality 17" screen but just 1920 x 1080, and severely reduced battery life adds up to a nice work focused computer that mainly stays on a desk and takes up little space compared to a desktop.

 

I think it is missing the right balance needed for good "value" but it has some characteristics that speak to the original requirements.

[Mando]

On 12/15/2017 at 2:41 AM, Mindovermaster said:

I think my old Laptop (circa 2005) was a Vostro model, but if I look up the model number, all I see are Latitude...

 

Yet I could run Xubuntu on it fine.

Vostros were dells budget specials, even some of their "unique" asset tags on the Vostros dont show the right model when you enter it into Dell support.

 

[Mando]

3 hours ago, T3X4S said:

Thats something I have been bouncing back & forth in my head recently.

In my office - the onlly thing visible is a keyboard, monitor and mouse.

I love the "clean aesthetic" - and something I am thinking of on my next build.

Problem is, I am also in the market for a new car, and like my car wishing, I cant make up my mind.

Lian Li Aluminium desk/case.

 

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lian-li-dk-05x-electrical-height-adjustable-desk-case-black-ca-76b-ll.html

 

 

[DevTech]

3 minutes ago, Mando said:

Lian Li Aluminium desk/case.

 

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lian-li-dk-05x-electrical-height-adjustable-desk-case-black-ca-76b-ll.html

 

 

A whole new adventure in lugging your rig to the LAN Party!

 

[Mando]

3 minutes ago, DevTech said:

A whole new adventure in lugging your rig to the LAN Party!

 

lol i know, but tbh im too old for that these days  id kill for one of those....

[Mindovermaster Global Moderator]

19 hours ago, DevTech said:

It is clear from various threads that you want something about your daily use computer to be smaller. I suspect you should really dig into what you want to achieve in terms of design objectives without visualizing any hardware solutions or budgets.

 

If you had unlimited funds, would an answer come immediately to mind?

 

Do you want to end up with a particular aesthetic?

 

Or just need more room on your desk?

 

Would the new Mac Pro All-in-ONe with 5K LCD and 18 core Xeon fit the aesthetic?

 

Or perhaps "Invisible Computing" where the computer is hidden in the wall or inside a custom desk?

 

 

 

 

My mind is floating in the air. I can't grab the idea yet. I'm giving you ideas; you provide answers.

 

What I'm looking for is a lower powered machine, with gaming behind it, if I ever plan to game in the future.

 

Don't even start me with Macs...

 

I guess my perve is this:

 

 

I know, I can scrunch that all up together, but it isn't easy for me. Having all your hardware in one place.

[T3X4S]

18 hours ago, Mando said:

Lian Li Aluminium desk/case.

 

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lian-li-dk-05x-electrical-height-adjustable-desk-case-black-ca-76b-ll.html

 

 

Yikes ! That price.
If I did that - 

I'd have to spec out a build something like a 
Pentium 3 500MHz
32 MB EDO RAM
2MB TNT2 Riva video card
and maybe I could squeeze in a Sound Blaster
:)

[goretsky Supervisor]

Hello,

 

If you want to upgrade your existing computer instead of purchase a new laptop, perhaps it would be better to start a separate thread on the subject?  I am sure an admin would be happy to move all relevant replies out of this thread to the new one.  That way, you can continue looking at both options separately instead of getting a mix of responses.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

 

On 12/17/2017 at 6:44 PM, Mindovermaster said:

Is there a way I can not get a new system, but rather tone down my current system?

 

Keep almost everything I have, board/cpu/ram.

 

But update the GFX, PSU, Case, maybe?

 

I have heard of those less powerful SFX PSUs, anyone know anything about them?

 

And for GFX, 1050 or Ti or 1060? As I said above, I currently do not game. But ever if I wanted to, I'm not looking for high settings here.

 

As for cases, I like Fractal Design case, but is there something like it that has a smaller footprint? Good ventilation? Can can hold my radiator of my H75? can hold a full GFX card?

 

[Mindovermaster Global Moderator]

6 minutes ago, goretsky said:

Hello,

 

If you want to upgrade your existing computer instead of purchase a new laptop, perhaps it would be better to start a separate thread on the subject?  I am sure an admin would be happy to move all relevant replies out of this thread to the new one.  That way, you can continue looking at both options separately instead of getting a mix of responses.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

 

 

Yeah, but it's on the same subject, so I'm not exactly sure if that is allowed...

[DevTech]

1 hour ago, goretsky said:

Hello,

 

If you want to upgrade your existing computer instead of purchase a new laptop, perhaps it would be better to start a separate thread on the subject?  I am sure an admin would be happy to move all relevant replies out of this thread to the new one.  That way, you can continue looking at both options separately instead of getting a mix of responses.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

 

 

He does not know exactly what he wants.

 

If you look at his recent thread starts, he has quite a number of them that add up to the same thing:

 

He has some sort of unease or unsettled feeling or mysterious Wuthering Heights type longing for things unseen, unsaid, unknown, ethereal like a fluorescent blue butterfly caught in his head but gently caressing his neurons with the touch of gossamer wings, just one synapse at a time...

 

He wants ideas, perhaps wild and crazy, perhaps to get angry or sad, anything to trigger a spark that lands him on a solid plan to release him from existential pain of computer hardware that somehow misses adapting to the flow of his personal aesthetic.

 

 

 

 

[DevTech]

5 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

Don't even start me with Macs...

 

 

Obviously I don't see the universe through the eyes of Sir Johnathan Ive because I find Apple stuff ugly, awkward, over priced uninspiring design except for two products:

 

1. The Mac Pro desktop that looks like an office garbage can.

 

2. The new Mac Pro All-In-One with a 5K screen and a 18 core Xeon.

 

The powerful All-In-One would would eliminate wires and pack the most power possible to be glued onto the rear of a monitor.

 

Wipe Mac OS off the unit so Apple Irritation is in the rear view mirror and install Windows 10 or your Minty Thing, buy a nice zillion-button Gaming Mouse and a good Gaming Mechanical Keyboard to replace Apple Mouse Junk and you have a unique aesthetic happening.

 

Since we are just attempting to spark aesthetic images in your head, we can ignore the tiny question of how much a 18 core Xeon 5K All-In-One might cost...

 

 

 

 

 

[Mindovermaster Global Moderator]

Dev, being an MVC, you should know better. Now you made me sound like a complete idiot. I don't know anything. yadda yadda yadda.

 

As for the MAC, I hate them. Why would you even suggest one? And I don't need a stupid Xeon...

 

I should stop asking for build questions here. There's no point. I should just go with my guts. Watch a few YT vids, read reviews.

[Circaflex]

3 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

Dev, being an MVC, you should know better. Now you made me sound like a complete idiot. I don't know anything. yadda yadda yadda.

Take a deep breath, I don’t believe that is what he meant or implied.

[DevTech]

4 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

Dev, being an MVC, you should know better. Now you made me sound like a complete idiot. I don't know anything. yadda yadda yadda.

 

As for the MAC, I hate them. Why would you even suggest one? And I don't need a stupid Xeon...

 

I should stop asking for build questions here. There's no point. I should just go with my guts. Watch a few YT vids, read reviews.

I have my own brand of British dry humor, but I am not mocking you.

 

I am trying to suggest to everyone that we knock heads together and try and see where you are blocked and then give you useful or at least somewhat creative ideas. If we all have a bit of fun with it on the way, well that's Neowin and that's good cheer for all concerned.

 

You have made a bunch of threads and then a multitude of posts within those threads changing your mind and wavering back and forth on things.

 

Right now, you don't have a build problem, you have a "murky-ambiguous-uncertain-wavering objective" problem. That's ok, but just admit it and then let everyone help you.

 

The Xeon-Mac was just a "thought experiment" - made famous by Einstein. If you visualized the world's most powerful all-in-one computer on your desk with no extra wires or anything else would that spark a positive or negative feeling? I used the Mac because until now, all-in-ones have been associated with some sort of compromise and that would have just interfered with the imagination...

 

But as it turns out, using the word "Mac" interfered with the imagination before the concept of "all-in-one" had a chance to do likewise so that's just a bunch of "never mind"

 

Next imaginative spark idea... Anyone?

 

 

[DevTech]

13 hours ago, goretsky said:

Hello,

 

If you want to upgrade your existing computer instead of purchase a new laptop, perhaps it would be better to start a separate thread on the subject?  I am sure an admin would be happy to move all relevant replies out of this thread to the new one.  That way, you can continue looking at both options separately instead of getting a mix of responses.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

 

 

He has already made a bunch of threads. Might as well keep it all in one thread and hash it out until something comes together. Right now, your idea of a separate thread would lead to a hundred more threads on essentially the same subject.

 

Please reword this post in your head as if that amazing guy Goretsky had written it in his very polite and respectful manner.

 

EDIT: my previous reply was unusually abstract and so I'm just suggesting to everyone that we "tough it out" right here on hamburger hill until something converges. 

[Mindovermaster Global Moderator]

58 minutes ago, DevTech said:

I have my own brand of British dry humor, but I am not mocking you.

 

I am trying to suggest to everyone that we knock heads together and try and see where you are blocked and then give you useful or at least somewhat creative ideas. If we all have a bit of fun with it on the way, well that's Neowin and that's good cheer for all concerned.

 

You have made a bunch of threads and then a multitude of posts within those threads changing your mind and wavering back and forth on things.

 

Right now, you don't have a build problem, you have a "murky-ambiguous-uncertain-wavering objective" problem. That's ok, but just admit it and then let everyone help you.

 

The Xeon-Mac was just a "thought experiment" - made famous by Einstein. If you visualized the world's most powerful all-in-one computer on your desk with no extra wires or anything else would that spark a positive or negative feeling? I used the Mac because until now, all-in-ones have been associated with some sort of compromise and that would have just interfered with the imagination...

 

But as it turns out, using the word "Mac" interfered with the imagination before the concept of "all-in-one" had a chance to do likewise so that's just a bunch of "never mind"

 

Next imaginative spark idea... Anyone?

 

 

God... Sorry, after I read your previous reply 10 times I finally got it. "You still speak in riddles" -Aragorn

54 minutes ago, DevTech said:

He has already made a bunch of threads. Might as well keep it all in one thread and hash it out until something comes together. Right now, your idea of a separate thread would lead to a hundred more threads on essentially the same subject.

 

Please reword this post in your head as if that amazing guy Goretsky had written it in his very polite and respectful manner.

 

EDIT: my previous reply was unusually abstract and so I'm just suggesting to everyone that we "tough it out" right here on hamburger hill until something converges. 

Where's the ketchup?

 

[goretsky Supervisor]

Hello,

 

I don't think they'd mind.  The forum moderation team here seems very good about managing stuff like that. 

 

But, of course, the only way to find out for certain is to ask.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

19 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

Yeah, but it's on the same subject, so I'm not exactly sure if that is allowed...

 

[CrashG]

23 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

My mind is floating in the air. I can't grab the idea yet. I'm giving you ideas; you provide answers.

 

What I'm looking for is a lower powered machine, with gaming behind it, if I ever plan to game in the future.

 

Don't even start me with Macs...

 

I guess my perve is this:

 

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Ha, I see your rats nest and raise you