Are you getting vaccinated, or have been?

[+illumination Subscriber²]

On 08/06/2021 at 07:52, Mockingbird said:

Are you sure that you are ineligible?

 

I was hospitalized for COVID and never encounter that issue

 

I got my 1st shot shortly after, when the vaccine became available for my age group (16-25).

yup, that's the current guidance in Switzerland.

 

Glad you got out of the hospital Ok.

[Paul1979UK]

I've not been vaccinated yet but I'm not opposed to being but see little point for now as it feels like it would be like having an operation on my leg even thought there is nothing wrong with it lol.

 

Basically, I've shown no signs of having the virus and no one I know from family and friends have shown any signs of it apart from one of my relative friends in Italy.

 

My logic is simple, wait it out, see how it goes and if needed, I'll have the pick of pretty much any vaccines whiles we also know the side effects better on them all, for now, don't see the point in taking something if I don't have the virus but I should really take one of those test to see if I've had the virus as I suspect many have had the virus but have shown no effects on it so are unaware of it.

[+Biscuits Brown MVC]

On 08/06/2021 at 01:12, Mockingbird said:

Why do I care?

 

If you get virus and then it mutates in a way makes it able to evade the vaccine, then I become susceptible.

 

That's why I care.

You realize first of all, a vaccine evading variant will almost certainly be created by a vaccinated person. That's the way a virus tends to work. That said, since I have essentially no close contact with anyone and almost zero chance of getting sick enough to be hospitalized,  just how do YOU get my mutant, vaccine evading version?  Everybody here seems to think that if you get covid, you land up in a hospital on a ventilator. The overwhelming majority of the people in the US (under 75) that have gotten COVID got sick for a few days and moved on, nothing more. There are of course exceptions to that. We all hear about the 30 year old whatever that was hospitalized because that plays well on the evening news. You never hear about the 32+ million in the US that weren't hospitalized or passed. Why is this thing all about the vaccine? Why are there no useful treatments? Why all the efforts to vaccinate 6 month old's? Doesn't this strike anybody as odd? You're pregnant wife can't have a diet Coke but here, take this jab? Something isn't right here.  

[Paul1979UK]

22 hours ago, Biscuits Brown said:

You realize first of all, a vaccine evading variant will almost certainly be created by a vaccinated person. That's the way a virus tends to work. That said, since I have essentially no close contact with anyone and almost zero chance of getting sick enough to be hospitalized,  just how do YOU get my mutant, vaccine evading version?  Everybody here seems to think that if you get covid, you land up in a hospital on a ventilator. The overwhelming majority of the people in the US (under 75) that have gotten COVID got sick for a few days and moved on, nothing more. There are of course exceptions to that. We all hear about the 30 year old whatever that was hospitalized because that plays well on the evening news. You never hear about the 32+ million in the US that weren't hospitalized or passed. Why is this thing all about the vaccine? Why are there no useful treatments? Why all the efforts to vaccinate 6 month old's? Doesn't this strike anybody as odd? You're pregnant wife can't have a diet Coke but here, take this jab? Something isn't right here.  

I've always thought that, all this vaccine could force the virus to adapt and because of how many vaccines there are, it's hard to predict the outcome of that.

 

Truth is for most of us, our own immune system is our best defence against the vaccine which makes me wonder why don't they reserve the vaccines for the people that need them and not give them to everyone when most don't actually need them, especially considering for the ones that don't need them, the vaccine could potentially make things worse for that worse depending on the side effects.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

23 hours ago, Biscuits Brown said:

You realize first of all, a vaccine evading variant will almost certainly be created by a vaccinated person. That's the way a virus tends to work.

Source please.

[PsYcHoKiLLa]

Had my first, 2nd due for 20th June. I'm 53 so that seems delayed to me.
For those who refuse, you'll understand when the rest of us refuse to be put at risk by you due to mutated strains.

[aphanic]

I'm Schrödinger's cat in this regard because I'm in a Phase III trial for another one from CureVac, mRNA based. Since it is a double-blind trial I could be in the placebo group, so I won't know for sure for a while (next year?).

 

Although judging by the reaction to the second shot I'd say I in the vaccine one: sore arm at night and the day after, rather tired and running a mild fever (37.6 ºC) during that second day (didn't take anything for it). Just a bit of soreness in the shoulder area on the 3rd day, but otherwise tip-top.

 

That was back in March, with shots 28 days apart from each other. Being 33 though, I wouldn't be vaccinated in my area yet, in Spain it depends on where you are if you're healthy (e.g., in the Canary Islands, people in the lower 30s have already been vaccinated).

 

This is how things stand depending on your age over here at the moment (if I'm not mistaken):

- Pfizer-BioNTech's / Moderna's: 30+

- Janssen: 40+

- AstraZeneca's: 60+ (and those who've already had the 1st shot and want the 2nd one to be the same)

 

Because they overlap I guess if you're, say, 42, you could get Pfizer-BioNTech's, Moderna's or Jonhson & Johnson's; there's no choosing to my knowledge.

[Steven P. Administrators]

49 minutes ago, aphanic said:

I'm Schrödinger's cat in this regard because I'm in a Phase III trial for another one from CureVac, mRNA based. Since it is a double-blind trial I could be in the placebo group, so I won't know for sure for a while (next year?).

 

Although judging by the reaction to the second shot I'd say I in the vaccine one: sore arm at night and the day after, rather tired and running a mild fever (37.6 ºC) during that second day (didn't take anything for it). Just a bit of soreness in the shoulder area on the 3rd day, but otherwise tip-top.

 

That was back in March, with shots 28 days apart from each other. Being 33 though, I wouldn't be vaccinated in my area yet, in Spain it depends on where you are if you're healthy (e.g., in the Canary Islands, people in the lower 30s have already been vaccinated).

Can I just ask if that trial actually said you would be getting a vaccine either way, so the CureVac one, or another. It seems irresponsible to not vaccinate, they could have given you  any one of Pfizer-BioNTech's / Moderna instead of the actual trial vaccine and still got accurate data from those getting CureVac.

 

I would guess that if you didn't get a sore arm or any side effects, that would have been a giveaway because from what I hear the vaccine's mostly give side effects even if they are mild.

[aphanic]

21 minutes ago, Steven P. said:

Can I just ask if...

Definitely, ask away.

 

There are 3 possibilities actually:

 - I get called to get one approved vaccines and the study isn't finished: I could choose not to get vaccinated at that time and wait for it to finish, but they could also "unblind" me, check in which group I am so I can get vaccinated if I'm being a control (or refuse it otherwise because I'd have been vaccinated already).

 

They told us about that possibility at the beginning already, but they also explained it'd be detrimental if many participants in the control group were to take an already approved one, because they'd stop being controls for the trial since it's only in the end when they calculate the efficacy rate.

 

 - The study ends before I get called: if the results are good and the vaccine gets approved, since doctors and nurses would already know who got the placebo and who didn't, I'd be offered to get vaccinated with this one if I were a control and wanted to; or I could wait my turn to go get any.

 

 - The study ends prematurely: for whatever reason, the vaccine wouldn't be approved then and I'd just have to wait.

 

I think the more likely is option 1, it should be around end of summer or autumn that I get a call to go get vaccinated if I wanted to, but if that's the case I think I'd wait for the study to finish. I got into the trial because it was a phase III one already, I'm healthy and young-ish so the more vaccines available the better (plus there's that reaction I got to the second shot).

 

For now business as usual, report any symptoms (and temperature if possible) at least 4 days a week via a PWA and we can call them 24/7 too. They'd prefer it if they're the ones doing tests too instead of a primary health clinic, because they'd check for more things and in case of infection also analyze the variant.

[mudslag]

One vaccine, two jabs

[Steven P. Administrators]

Got the first Pfizer vaccine three hours ago, bit sore where I was injected but no other side effects yet. 

[cork1958]

Had my second Pfizer shot back on April 29th. No issues what so ever. Barely even a tender arm.

[Steven P. Administrators]

Last night before I went to bed my arm was sore so I took two ibuprofen (but also as a precautionary measure) and this morning I feel fine, the soreness has almost completely disappeared. In the info I was given, it said people can get headaches and a fever 1-2 days after the shot, after 1 day I am not getting those symptoms (yet).  

[+mram Subscriber²]

On 10/06/2021 at 13:07, Biscuits Brown said:

You realize first of all, a vaccine evading variant will almost certainly be created by a vaccinated person. That's the way a virus tends to work. 

Again, spreading disinformation.  While technically possible, the real threat is COVID variants being allowed to grow within unvaccinated recipients.  Viruses can be fully eradicated or at least seriously slowed by full immunization through the masses. 

 

While conceptually what you're saying is true, it's not the major concern that anyone has.  Lets extrapolate -- if everyone were vaccinated there is a massive probability that this virus would simply die off.  Millions of people have gotten infected with very few "breakthrough cases" -- people who have gotten infected despite being fully vaccinated -- and no known variants as a result of those breakthroughs.   The statistics show that the people entering hospitals for COVID now are not fully vaccinated.

 

Allow a strain to grow and it will continue to grow.  Get vaccinated.  Efficacy of vaccines against variants currently out there is still very high.  That's what we as a society want to keep and preserve.  We don't need this thing to keep growing with ignorant people thinking it's ok to avoid vaccinations.

On 10/06/2021 at 13:07, Biscuits Brown said:

You never hear about the 32+ million in the US that weren't hospitalized or passed. Why is this thing all about the vaccine? Why are there no useful treatments? Why all the efforts to vaccinate 6 month old's? Doesn't this strike anybody as odd? You're pregnant wife can't have a diet Coke but here, take this jab? Something isn't right here.  

More FUD by definition.  There are treatments but medicine dictates prevention before remediation - in a pandemic that's always priority.  The rest of your questions are just fearmongering or absolute non-sequiturs.  Not helpful.

[Astra.Xtreme]

18 minutes ago, mram said:

While conceptually what you're saying is true, it's not the major concern that anyone has.  Lets extrapolate -- if everyone were vaccinated there is a massive probability that this virus would simply die off.  Millions of people have gotten infected with very few "breakthrough cases" -- people who have gotten infected despite being fully vaccinated -- and no known variants as a result of those breakthroughs.   The statistics show that the people entering hospitals for COVID now are not fully vaccinated.

That's both not fully true and not realistic.  First of all, the entire population will never get fully vaccinated, and that's just the statistical reality.  About 40-50% of the population (USA speaking) gets the flu vaccine yearly, and the trend for covid is probably going to be similar.  Also, since the vaccine isn't 100% effective, the virus would never get eradicated anyway.  Also consider that we don't yet know if vaccinated people don't spread the virus.  For the most part, get the vaccine to protect yourself and anybody that chooses not to get it is only risking their own health.  Life should and will go on as normal.  Lastly, since the common cold sars virus mutates like crazy, it's a fair assumption that covid-19 will follow a similar pattern.  It already has been actually, and it's only a matter of time before the vaccine needs to get adjusted yearly to deal with that year's strain.   This virus is likely to never go away and it will continue to kill people, but so do a lot of every day things.

I don't think it's unreasonable to be unwilling to be an early adopter of the vaccine.  We don't know how often you need to get it, don't know if it prevents spread, don't know what long term side effects could be.  We do know that if you get the virus, you have a ~99% of surviving.  People can weight out those risks as they please.

[Gotenks98]

I just know going forward certain behaviors are never going to be the same. Just think of some of the stuff people did in the past that was disgusting. Post covid no one is going to be blowing the candles out on a birthday cake at a party. No one is going to be sharing cigarettes. The whole mindset will eventually have to change. While I get it that mask suck but I have had zero colds or sinus infections since Covid started. I got both of my shots as soon as they were available back in early April. Just sore arm on the first one none on the second one. I am still masking up until my kids are eligible for the vaccine.

[spikey_richie]

I'm now double-jabbed, had my second AZ last Thursday with no side effects. 

[Terry504]

got mine   2 Pfizer vaccine

[+illumination Subscriber²]

Managed to get my first dose yesterday after only 3 months of waiting, so not too bad - better than waiting 6 months. Received Pfizer and only symptom so far has been a sore arm.

[NinjaGinger]

Had both. After the first every joint in my body hurt, for 1 day After the second, nothing. Had em yonks ago as I fall into vulnerable